Geovany Soto

[Guest]

Just to clarify....this is my understanding:

 

Yes, Soto is eligible for the post season roster. If you were on the 40 man by september 1, you can be on the post season roster. It doesn't matter if you were in the bigs or in the minors. It only matters that you were on the cubs 40 man roster. So a team CANNOT get a player from another team just before the postseason and add him to the playoff roster. that's what the rule is designed to protect against.

 

should the cubs make the postseason (and i believe they will), and should soto continue to hit down the stretch (and i think he will), then you will likely see soto in the postseason.

 

Nope, it's the 25-man roster, not the 40-man. The only way another player can be added from your own system is if a player is on the DL and will miss the playoff series (and, of course, the player has to be in your system when that roster is set on Aug. 31).

 

 

I don't think you're right....or if you are, then ms muskrats article was wrong on cubs.com (which wouldn't surprise me).

 

You have the link? It's definitely 25-man + DLed players.

[RyCubsFan]

Just to clarify....this is my understanding:

 

Yes, Soto is eligible for the post season roster. If you were on the 40 man by september 1, you can be on the post season roster. It doesn't matter if you were in the bigs or in the minors. It only matters that you were on the cubs 40 man roster. So a team CANNOT get a player from another team just before the postseason and add him to the playoff roster. that's what the rule is designed to protect against.

 

should the cubs make the postseason (and i believe they will), and should soto continue to hit down the stretch (and i think he will), then you will likely see soto in the postseason.

 

Nope, it's the 25-man roster, not the 40-man. The only way another player can be added from your own system is if a player is on the DL and will miss the playoff series (and, of course, the player has to be in your system when that roster is set on Aug. 31).

 

 

I don't think you're right....or if you are, then ms muskrats article was wrong on cubs.com (which wouldn't surprise me).

 

You have the link? It's definitely 25-man + DLed players.

 

Couldn't find the link, but I found this one:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1018841

 

Sounds like the rule changed this year.

[Guest]

That last sentence which talks about rule changes is rather ambiguous., it could be referring to the new rule is adding a player mid-playoff series when another player gets hurt.

 

Lester is eligible because Matt Clement and Brendan Donnelly are on the 60-day DL and replaceable by any player in the Red Sox system at midnight on August 31.

[mdwilla]

Kendall is my choice for backup next season I think he would jump at the chance to return if Hendry can get him to agree to a deal under 2 million . He's a better bet to stay healthy and I think his numbers would improve from the rest of not having to play everyday. Blanco just can't do anything offensively he's a black hole.

[TruffleShuffle]

Kendall is my choice for backup next season I think he would jump at the chance to return if Hendry can get him to agree to a deal under 2 million . He's a better bet to stay healthy and I think his numbers would improve from the rest of not having to play everyday. Blanco just can't do anything offensively he's a black hole.

 

i think everyone on this board would agree with you, but unless you have a solution about how to unload blanco and his joke of a contract ($2.6M next year), he's going to be a cub next year.

[Illini Iceman]

Just to clarify....this is my understanding:

 

Yes, Soto is eligible for the post season roster. If you were on the 40 man by september 1, you can be on the post season roster. It doesn't matter if you were in the bigs or in the minors. It only matters that you were on the cubs 40 man roster. So a team CANNOT get a player from another team just before the postseason and add him to the playoff roster. that's what the rule is designed to protect against.

 

should the cubs make the postseason (and i believe they will), and should soto continue to hit down the stretch (and i think he will), then you will likely see soto in the postseason.

 

Nope, it's the 25-man roster, not the 40-man. The only way another player can be added from your own system is if a player is on the DL and will miss the playoff series (and, of course, the player has to be in your system when that roster is set on Aug. 31).

 

 

I don't think you're right....or if you are, then ms muskrats article was wrong on cubs.com (which wouldn't surprise me).

 

You have the link? It's definitely 25-man + DLed players.

 

Couldn't find the link, but I found this one:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1018841

 

Sounds like the rule changed this year.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070830&content_id=2179672&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

For the record: The Cubs will call up three or four players on Saturday, when teams are allowed to expand their rosters beyond 25. They are expected to add between six and eight players for the final month. Among the candidates are Geovany Soto, Ronny Cedeno, Carmen Pignatiello and Rocky Cherry.

 

However, just because a player isn't on the 25-man roster doesn't mean he isn't eligible for postseason play. Teams are allowed an inventory of everybody in their system, including players on the 60-day disabled list. As long as a player is in the Cubs organization, he's eligible.

 

If the Cubs add someone from outside the organization after Sept. 1, he would not be eligible for the postseason roster.

[NCCubFan]

The article on Lester specifically mentioned new rules. Maybe this was one of the less-publicized changes in the new collective bargaining agreement.

[badnews]

I think everyone on this board including myself is intrigued by soto, but do you feel comfortable with him for a full year next year?

 

This has been the Cubs' mentality for so many years. We have a good minor league player but we're not positive that he's the answer, so let's go out and blow a few mil on some retread who will put up, at best, marginally better than the min-salary guy

 

While one can't declare Soto the next Josh Gibson based purely on this year, it's not like he's had a .500 BABIP and just dinked and dunked his way to a big year. He has 26 homers.

 

I don't know. Take Murton and Cedeno. There seems to be a point, when Murton struggles, that playing through it just doesn't help. And even moreso for Cedeno. After 2005, under this reasoning, we would've just handed the job off to them.

 

That's also like the beginning of 2005 when we tried to replace Moises Alou with a Jason Dubois-Todd Hollandsworth platoon. What a nightmare!

 

But I don't understand why people think Soto is any more of a certainty than Ronny Cedeno or Jason Dubois. Soto has been at Iowa for a while. Soto does strike out a lot. Soto does have a very high BABIP. This is Soto's first impressive year. I can see why people don't want him to start.

 

I don't mean to come off as the Soto-hater, but as people whip themselves more and more into a frenzy I find I have to be, because this all looks so bogus. Heck, before the ASB Ronny Cedeno hit .388 with 10 home runs, 25 walks against 25 strikeouts in 196 ABs. And Rony Cedeno can't crack a .400 OPS in the majors. Cedeno was the BB/K master right there, he can't draw walks in the majors?

 

Buck Coats is a very poor player, and even he puts up good numbers in Iowa. Anyone who has watched him knows this guy is not going to do anything in the majors. I have never received one satisfactory response as to why I should put any stock in Soto's numbers. I don't like him striking out in 25% of his ABs. And it's his 3rd year there! Come on. I've just seen this too many times, with the Cubs and with other organizations. What was his career batting average before this year, .265? Any place where Ronny Cedeno hits for power and discipline needs skepticism badly.

 

So I'm staking out the cynical side of the Soto debate since everyone else has gone too far to the other side. I think as a starter he hits .230, OBP of .280, slugs .350.

[UK1679666180]

 

So I'm staking out the cynical side of the Soto debate since everyone else has gone too far to the other side. I think as a starter he hits .230, OBP of .280, slugs .350.

 

Based on...

 

The need to be opposite or the past failures of Cedeno & Dubois?

 

He has the ability to hit for a fair avg., double digit HRs, 20+ DBs, and BBs.

 

His might start his career like that, who knows? I think he'll do better if given the chance, he has the bat speed, raw power, and approach to exceed your "guess". Of course, those are similar #s as Blanco would put up at a fraction of the cost.

[badnews]

I think a fair amount of skepticism is due for a guy who has pulled off the 'ol "Improbably high batting average for a guy who strikes out a lot" trick, when repeating the level for the 3rd time in a club where even stiffs like Buck Coats look offensively gifted.

[UK1679666180]

There's no problem with skeptical of any prospect unless that becomes a reason to not see if he can make it over a likely inferior player. At this point, I think Soto would outproduce Kendall and Blanco if given the chance to play everyday. I hope he gets chance to prove me right or wrong.

[Peoriaman]

I think a fair amount of skepticism is due for a guy who has pulled off the 'ol "Improbably high batting average for a guy who strikes out a lot" trick, when repeating the level for the 3rd time in a club where even stiffs like Buck Coats look offensively gifted.

 

 

agree. I thought most people here believe in the "reverting back to your career stats" theory.

[UK1679666180]

I think a fair amount of skepticism is due for a guy who has pulled off the 'ol "Improbably high batting average for a guy who strikes out a lot" trick, when repeating the level for the 3rd time in a club where even stiffs like Buck Coats look offensively gifted.

 

 

agree. I thought most people here believe in the "reverting back to your career stats" theory.

 

If he went back to his career minor league stats, he'd still be the best avail. options of the 3 they have now, much cheaper, and more likely to improve compared to 2 catchers on the downswing of their careers.

[Peoriaman]

I think a fair amount of skepticism is due for a guy who has pulled off the 'ol "Improbably high batting average for a guy who strikes out a lot" trick, when repeating the level for the 3rd time in a club where even stiffs like Buck Coats look offensively gifted.

 

 

agree. I thought most people here believe in the "reverting back to your career stats" theory.

 

If he went back to his career minor league stats, he'd still be the best avail. options of the 3 they have now, much cheaper, and more likely to improve compared to 2 catchers on the downswing of their careers.

 

 

ah, tallest midget.

 

I think reverting back to career wouldn't happen, as the last I checked MLB is tougher than minor league baseball.

[UK1679666180]

Yes the tallest midget, especially when there will be likely little to spend in the off-season and bigger issues (the OF) that need to addressed. If they had money to spend like last year and C was the primary weakness, I wouldn't mind them going after a different C.

 

Yes, MLB is tougher than the minors. Often, the progression of a hitter as he matures and reaches his prime as well as improved coaching will counteract the improvement of talent he faces. Unless there is a significant hole in his swing or a slow bat, the hitter (if he has the tools) will make the adjustments to become an asset. I believe Soto has the bat speed, approach, and raw power to become an asset in the line-up especially for minimal salary and it is worth finding out if he can.

[TruffleShuffle]

congrats on your first big league homer geovany... here's to many more

[Warpticon]

I think a fair amount of skepticism is due for a guy who has pulled off the 'ol "Improbably high batting average for a guy who strikes out a lot" trick, when repeating the level for the 3rd time in a club where even stiffs like Buck Coats look offensively gifted.

 

 

agree. I thought most people here believe in the "reverting back to your career stats" theory.

 

Yeah, completely different point in the development process. Reversion isn't an issue until you peak. Position players usually peak between 26-28.

[sethuel1]

Geovany Soto

[Brian]

Geovany Soto

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Geovany Soto

[E.J.]

Soto

[Guest]

congrats on your first big league homer geovany... here's to many more

 

 

hopefully with the cubs.

[Tomarken]

against righties, he's batting .143 with a .971 OPS

[Jazz]

Geovany Soto

[CubmanPi]

Geovany Soto