Z's Explanation

[Bruno7481]

wait, what did he say? im confused.

 

i was really hoping this wouldn't become a big thing. oh well.

 

The Trib doesnt have the article up yet, but I explained a little more in another post. When the article comes out Ill post it. But he doesnt think he deserves to be bood.

 

i see that now. i was sure he was just saying he heard the fans and knew that he sucked, this just blows me away.

 

i guess it's time to start the move to run him out of town, should be fun

 

Right after signing?

 

Oh God, this could really start to suck.

 

things could get really hilariously bad pretty easily. everything will be cool if zambrano can avoid sucking for a little while, but if he has a couple more bad starts and keeps getting booed, who knows what will happen.

 

I'd expect a Lou forced/written apology tomorrow before the game. Mentioning how he's disappointed in how he's pitched the last month, how he plans on turning things around and making the fans cheer for him.

 

And I absolutely can not believe that Piniella didn't talk to him after that and coach him on how to deal with the media after the game. Crazy.

 

I wouldn't rule out the possibillity that someone did talk to Z and coach him. Getting hom to cooperate could have been the issue.

[Mephistopheles]

Zambrano's fine guys. This place is so fickle.

[Keener98]

Z also did say that the fans pay to see a good pitcher and right now hes not a good pitcher. However he says that when something bad happens in a family, you expect your brother or sister to support you and show you love, and instead the fans tryied piling on him. Said he will remember it in the future when things are going good, whatever that means. Bottom line is, Z needs to grow up. He really doesnt want to start a war of words with his fanbase when he just signed a long term deal. Right now is when DLee or Wood need to go to him and tell him this and that he should probably offer an apology.

[kente777]

Z also did say that the fans pay to see a good pitcher and right now hes not a good pitcher. However he says that when something bad happens in a family, you expect your brother or sister to support you and show you love, and instead the fans tryied piling on him. Said he will remember it in the future when things are going good, whatever that means. Bottom line is, Z needs to grow up. He really doesnt want to start a war of words with his fanbase when he just signed a long term deal. Right now is when DLee or Wood need to go to him and tell him this and that he should probably offer an apology.

 

10 bucks says he will apologize tomorrow. And believe me, when he does, it won't be his idea.

[Mephistopheles]

Zambrano doesn't need to grow up. Just because he runs his mouth and pumps his fist, it doesn't make him immature. I'd rather have someone like him than a passive player. Sure there's a good mix of the two but give me all out passion over all out passive any day of the week.

[Keener98]

Zambrano's fine guys. This place is so fickle.

 

How is he fine? Hes pitched good for 2 months and sucked for every other month, and we are in a pennant race when we need our ace to step it up. Or is this another one of your ways to come back later when Z turns it around(which the odds state he will) and say "see guys Im right again gosh Im smart"?

 

There is noway in hell you can call fans fickle with Z after seeing the way hes performed this year.

[Keener98]

Zambrano doesn't need to grow up. Just because he runs his mouth and pumps his fist, it doesn't make him immature. I'd rather have someone like him than a passive player. Sure there's a good mix of the two but give me all out passion over all out passive any day of the week.

 

Growing up means shutting your mouth and just pitching. There is no reason to do all the talk that Z does, when he hasnt accomplished that much at the ML level.

[CubmanPi]

Earlier this season, when he was sucking, he got down on himself for pitching so badly, he came out, declared a new season, and came out and started smoking like we all know he can do.

 

He has a rough start or two in August. The team is in a slide. A side note into this slide is Z's contract.

 

He continues to suck. At the plate, he's overswinging as badly as he ever has. He's overthrowing pitches, missing spots by a mile, and now blowing stop signs and follows it up with what ranks among his worst starts of the season, even after three mildly decent innings to start.

 

The fans boo him for the performance, and now he decides we're selfish. We weren't selfish for booing Jacque, we weren't selfish for booing LaTroy, but now that Z is stinking with a bad attitude (which, aside from Hundley, I haven't accused any Cubs of ever doing), the fans are suddenly selfish.

 

Z also made several remarks prior to the signing saying that he was all about going after the money from a team that was willing to respect his talent enough to give him a bottom line that shows as much. Now that he has this contract, he can do no wrong in his eyes.

 

Grow the hell up, Z, or go the way of Terrell Owens and Randy Moss.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

The fans pay his salary through ticket sales, concession revenue, TV ratings, merchandise sales, etc. If we only thought about ourselves, there wouldn't be an MLB.

 

But whatever. This doesn't have to be a big deal if the media just lets it die as they should. He pitched like crap and got booed a little, big deal.

[Bruno7481]

Zambrano doesn't need to grow up. Just because he runs his mouth and pumps his fist, it doesn't make him immature. I'd rather have someone like him than a passive player. Sure there's a good mix of the two but give me all out passion over all out passive any day of the week.

 

Not pumping your fist makes you passive?

 

You can be aggressive and have passion and still not act like an idiot occasionally.

 

Sandberg didn't do alot of that, was he passive?

[Keener98]

The fans pay his salary through ticket sales, concession revenue, TV ratings, merchandise sales, etc. If we only thought about ourselves, there wouldn't be an MLB.

 

But whatever. This doesn't have to be a big deal if the media just lets it die as they should. He pitched like crap and got booed a little, big deal.

 

You know the Chicago media is going to have a hey day with this. The only way for this to die is Z to start pitching like the ace he was signed to be.

[UK1679666180]

Zambrano doesn't need to grow up. Just because he runs his mouth and pumps his fist, it doesn't make him immature. I'd rather have someone like him than a passive player. Sure there's a good mix of the two but give me all out passion over all out passive any day of the week.

 

 

It's one thing to be emotional, it's another to let your emotions get to you. Unfort., his amped mental state often brings out the worst in him. He just lacks composure out there.

[NCCubFan]

Zambrano's fine guys. This place is so fickle.

No he's not fine. If he had a couple of bad outings in a row that might not be a cause for concern. But this has been going on over a month now, both before and after the extension. Things are not fine when your "ace" stinks the first two months of the season and then disappears again during the heat of a pennant race.

[BigbadB]

Zambrano doesn't need to grow up. Just because he runs his mouth and pumps his fist, it doesn't make him immature. I'd rather have someone like him than a passive player. Sure there's a good mix of the two but give me all out passion over all out passive any day of the week.

 

 

It's one thing to be emotional, it's another to let your emotions get to you. Unfort., his amped mental state often brings out the worst in him. He just lacks composure out there.

 

Maybe he didn't actually see the game. I watched the game, and Carlos very clearly came undone. He was lights out in the first 3 innings, pulled a boneheaded move on the basepaths and proceeded to allow that to affect his performance on the mound. He actually lucked out in the 4th with that strike 'em out, throw 'em out double play. Why did Gonzalez just stand there on that pitch? Right down broadway with Jeff Kent running?

 

He definitely needs to get his head right when he steps on that mound.

[CubmanPi]

Z also did say that the fans pay to see a good pitcher and right now hes not a good pitcher. However he says that when something bad happens in a family, you expect your brother or sister to support you and show you love, and instead the fans tryied piling on him. Said he will remember it in the future when things are going good, whatever that means. Bottom line is, Z needs to grow up. He really doesnt want to start a war of words with his fanbase when he just signed a long term deal. Right now is when DLee or Wood need to go to him and tell him this and that he should probably offer an apology.

No one can push someone's buttons more than a sibling. When a sibling pisses you off, you call them out on it, you end up fighting in some way or another, and you either grow up in a dysfunctional household or you listen to your dad when he tells you to apologize, and you go back outside and play.

 

I've never been down on Z for his antics/immaturity/whatever, but now it's clear - he needs to grow up.

[kente777]

Zambrano doesn't need to grow up. Just because he runs his mouth and pumps his fist, it doesn't make him immature. I'd rather have someone like him than a passive player. Sure there's a good mix of the two but give me all out passion over all out passive any day of the week.

 

 

It's one thing to be emotional, it's another to let your emotions get to you. Unfort., his amped mental state often brings out the worst in him. He just lacks composure out there.

 

Maybe he didn't actually see the game. I watched the game, and Carlos very clearly came undone. He was lights out in the first 3 innings, pulled a boneheaded move on the basepaths and proceeded to allow that to affect his performance on the mound. He actually lucked out in the 4th with that strike 'em out, throw 'em out double play. Why did Gonzalez just stand there on that pitch? Right down broadway with Jeff Kent running?

 

He definitely needs to get his head right when he steps on that mound.

 

I would argue that he wasn't lights out in the first 3 innings. He was constantly getting behind batters even in the first few innings.

 

As a MLB pitcher, you have to get ahead in your counts. You just have to. Failure to do so will always bite you in your arse.

 

The reason why Maddux has been so sucessful, among several things, has been his ability to get ahead in the count. Look at the number of walks he has in his career. Control is the key.

 

Carlos has terrible control for a so-called Ace.

Edited September 4, 2007 by kente777

[Illini Iceman]

Z also did say that the fans pay to see a good pitcher and right now hes not a good pitcher. However he says that when something bad happens in a family, you expect your brother or sister to support you and show you love, and instead the fans tryied piling on him. Said he will remember it in the future when things are going good, whatever that means. Bottom line is, Z needs to grow up. He really doesnt want to start a war of words with his fanbase when he just signed a long term deal. Right now is when DLee or Wood need to go to him and tell him this and that he should probably offer an apology.

 

I agree he was wrong to say what he did but the booing is getting ridiculous. Z is a bit of a spoiled baby, but a lot of these fans are irrational. The team has a bad inning or a pitcher has a bad game and they are booing? It doesn't look like a knowledgeable fan base when they boo or throw stuff on the field whenever things go bad. The crowd reaction is like the way it is in game threads. Suicide alert whenever the Cubs are losing and cloud 9 when they are winning. 162 game seasons have high and low points and supporting your team seems a lot more constructive then booing them whenever they fail.

[NCCubFan]

It may be good that Z's next two starts are on the road. Maybe he can put together two good starts, and by the time he pitches at Wrigley again all may be forgotten. If his next start were in Chicago I think he'd be booed mercilessly.

[kente777]

Z also did say that the fans pay to see a good pitcher and right now hes not a good pitcher. However he says that when something bad happens in a family, you expect your brother or sister to support you and show you love, and instead the fans tryied piling on him. Said he will remember it in the future when things are going good, whatever that means. Bottom line is, Z needs to grow up. He really doesnt want to start a war of words with his fanbase when he just signed a long term deal. Right now is when DLee or Wood need to go to him and tell him this and that he should probably offer an apology.

 

I agree he was wrong to say what he did but the booing is getting ridiculous. Z is a bit of a spoiled baby, but a lot of these fans are irrational. The team has a bad inning or a pitcher has a bad game and they are booing? It doesn't look like a knowledgeable fan base when they boo or throw stuff on the field whenever things go bad. The crowd reaction is like the way it is in game threads. Suicide alert whenever the Cubs are losing and cloud 9 when they are winning. 162 game seasons have high and low points and supporting your team seems a lot more constructive then booing them whenever they fail.

 

Fans have a right to boo. They pay the salaries of the players. They boo'ed Z because he has sucked for over a month, not because he sucked today.

 

It's Z's job to ignore the boos and do what is required of him. If he does that, the boos will turn to cheers.

[NCCubFan]

The team has a bad inning or a pitcher has a bad game and they are booing?

But it's not a bad game. It's several bad games in a row, over a month straight now. There's a difference. Everybody has a bad game now and then, but an ace can't suck continuously for so long (especially when he already had such a streak early in the season).

[kente777]

The team has a bad inning or a pitcher has a bad game and they are booing?

But it's not a bad game. It's several bad games in a row, over a month straight now. There's a difference. Everybody has a bad game now and then, but an ace can't suck continuously for so long (especially when he already had such a streak early in the season).

 

Exactly! Pitch well, you won't get boo'ed. Any player who whines about the booing is simply immature. Look in the mirror "Z."

[BigbadB]

The team has a bad inning or a pitcher has a bad game and they are booing?

But it's not a bad game. It's several bad games in a row, over a month straight now. There's a difference. Everybody has a bad game now and then, but an ace can't suck continuously for so long (especially when he already had such a streak early in the season).

 

Also directly following the signing of a contract that makes that pitcher a very rich man to be the ace of the staff.

[Illini Iceman]

Z also did say that the fans pay to see a good pitcher and right now hes not a good pitcher. However he says that when something bad happens in a family, you expect your brother or sister to support you and show you love, and instead the fans tryied piling on him. Said he will remember it in the future when things are going good, whatever that means. Bottom line is, Z needs to grow up. He really doesnt want to start a war of words with his fanbase when he just signed a long term deal. Right now is when DLee or Wood need to go to him and tell him this and that he should probably offer an apology.

 

I agree he was wrong to say what he did but the booing is getting ridiculous. Z is a bit of a spoiled baby, but a lot of these fans are irrational. The team has a bad inning or a pitcher has a bad game and they are booing? It doesn't look like a knowledgeable fan base when they boo or throw stuff on the field whenever things go bad. The crowd reaction is like the way it is in game threads. Suicide alert whenever the Cubs are losing and cloud 9 when they are winning. 162 game seasons have high and low points and supporting your team seems a lot more constructive then booing them whenever they fail.

 

Fans have a right to boo. They pay the salaries of the players. They boo'ed Z because he has sucked for over a month, not because he sucked today.

 

It's Z's job to ignore the boos and do what is required of him. If he does that, the boos will turn to cheers.

 

I know this booing argument has been done before so I don't want to beat that dead horse, but what are they booing? To me the reason I would ever boo a player that is on a team I root for is lack of effort. Does anyone doubt Z wants to win as much or more than anyone on that field or in the stands? If so, then is he getting booed because he is not good? Has there ever been a case of a bad player suddenly becoming good because he was booed and realized he should play well instead? Clearly Z has an issue with his mechanics or something else that is causing his effectiveness to drop. I think he gets that, but it would be nice for the fans to take the approach of "hey, we are behind you Z, we have faith that you get it together and help us win" instead of "you suck, you better do better next time or we will boo you and call you bad names". It just does not make sense to me.

[kente777]

Z also did say that the fans pay to see a good pitcher and right now hes not a good pitcher. However he says that when something bad happens in a family, you expect your brother or sister to support you and show you love, and instead the fans tryied piling on him. Said he will remember it in the future when things are going good, whatever that means. Bottom line is, Z needs to grow up. He really doesnt want to start a war of words with his fanbase when he just signed a long term deal. Right now is when DLee or Wood need to go to him and tell him this and that he should probably offer an apology.

 

I agree he was wrong to say what he did but the booing is getting ridiculous. Z is a bit of a spoiled baby, but a lot of these fans are irrational. The team has a bad inning or a pitcher has a bad game and they are booing? It doesn't look like a knowledgeable fan base when they boo or throw stuff on the field whenever things go bad. The crowd reaction is like the way it is in game threads. Suicide alert whenever the Cubs are losing and cloud 9 when they are winning. 162 game seasons have high and low points and supporting your team seems a lot more constructive then booing them whenever they fail.

 

Fans have a right to boo. They pay the salaries of the players. They boo'ed Z because he has sucked for over a month, not because he sucked today.

 

It's Z's job to ignore the boos and do what is required of him. If he does that, the boos will turn to cheers.

 

I know this booing argument has been done before so I don't want to beat that dead horse, but what are they booing? To me the reason I would ever boo a player that is on a team I root for is lack of effort. Does anyone doubt Z wants to win as much or more than anyone on that field or in the stands? If so, then is he getting booed because he is not good? Has there ever been a case of a bad player suddenly becoming good because he was booed and realized he should play well instead? Clearly Z has an issue with his mechanics or something else that is causing his effectiveness to drop. I think he gets that, but it would be nice for the fans to take the approach of "hey, we are behind you Z, we have faith that you get it together and help us win" instead of "you suck, you better do better next time or we will boo you and call you bad names". It just does not make sense to me.

 

The bottom line is THE FANS BUY THE TICKETS...they can boo if they want to. I don't care if you or I disagree with it. It is their right. All players get boo'ed. Wrigley is a lot less hostile than New York or Boston or Philadelphia.

 

If I go to a game and I want to boo, it is my right. Period!

[CubmanPi]

Z also did say that the fans pay to see a good pitcher and right now hes not a good pitcher. However he says that when something bad happens in a family, you expect your brother or sister to support you and show you love, and instead the fans tryied piling on him. Said he will remember it in the future when things are going good, whatever that means. Bottom line is, Z needs to grow up. He really doesnt want to start a war of words with his fanbase when he just signed a long term deal. Right now is when DLee or Wood need to go to him and tell him this and that he should probably offer an apology.

 

I agree he was wrong to say what he did but the booing is getting ridiculous. Z is a bit of a spoiled baby, but a lot of these fans are irrational. The team has a bad inning or a pitcher has a bad game and they are booing? It doesn't look like a knowledgeable fan base when they boo or throw stuff on the field whenever things go bad. The crowd reaction is like the way it is in game threads. Suicide alert whenever the Cubs are losing and cloud 9 when they are winning. 162 game seasons have high and low points and supporting your team seems a lot more constructive then booing them whenever they fail.

 

Fans have a right to boo. They pay the salaries of the players. They boo'ed Z because he has sucked for over a month, not because he sucked today.

 

It's Z's job to ignore the boos and do what is required of him. If he does that, the boos will turn to cheers.

 

I know this booing argument has been done before so I don't want to beat that dead horse, but what are they booing? To me the reason I would ever boo a player that is on a team I root for is lack of effort. Does anyone doubt Z wants to win as much or more than anyone on that field or in the stands? If so, then is he getting booed because he is not good? Has there ever been a case of a bad player suddenly becoming good because he was booed and realized he should play well instead? Clearly Z has an issue with his mechanics or something else that is causing his effectiveness to drop. I think he gets that, but it would be nice for the fans to take the approach of "hey, we are behind you Z, we have faith that you get it together and help us win" instead of "you suck, you better do better next time or we will boo you and call you bad names". It just does not make sense to me.

I think today's running the stop sign, in addition to his non-stop overthrowing and overswinging, is showing that he views himself as bigger than the rest of the team. I'll back off the grow up angle a bit, but the religious man could use a little humility.