It was just one pitch

[Banedon]

I don't understand this line of thinking, but I'm reading it quite a bit about yesterdays game. The thought is that Reyes threw one bad pitch that ended up costing them the game...the grand slam pitch to Ward. But a run had already scored that inning, and the bases were loaded thanks to some walks and hits. Doesn't that inherently mean that more than one "bad pitch" was thrown?

[UK1679666180]

Given how poorly Reyes pitched, he should've been tagged more than what he was.

 

That one pitch cost him the game, but he threw plenty of bad ones.

 

For some reason, the Cubs didn't look like they seeing the ball well out of his hand. His FB was avg. about 90 with no movement and up in the zone.

 

His slider was sharper from what I remember.

[MikeG]

I just saw the first couple of innings and it seemed like the Cubs were tagging the ball pretty hard, but just right at someone.

[RynoRules]

I just saw the first couple of innings and it seemed like the Cubs were tagging the ball pretty hard, but just right at someone.

 

Yup. Plus his change wasn't all that bad, IMO.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dont forget the many good pitches our pitchers threw as well as the 3 gentlemen who got on base proceeding that one bad pitch. If that one bad pitch had come with nobody on, wed have been looking at a 3-2 loss.

[AI]

I thought this was another thread about Rich Hill.

[Peoriaman]

that's baseball.

[wvcbxl]

Judging solely on the thread title, I thought it was about Carmen Pignatiello's performance last night.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Sounds like the Cardinals just need to tip the cap.

[Roast]

Sounds like the Cardinals just need to tip the cap.

 

:-D

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Given how poorly Reyes pitched, he should've been tagged more than what he was.

 

That one pitch cost him the game, but he threw plenty of bad ones.

 

For some reason, the Cubs didn't look like they seeing the ball well out of his hand. His FB was avg. about 90 with no movement and up in the zone.

 

His slider was sharper from what I remember.

 

I actually thought his slider didn't look very good. It was catching too much of the plate for the most part. He threw a couple of good ones to Lee, but we know how that worked out.

[UK1679666180]

His slider is a late breaking one, similar but not as effective or sharp as Marmol's. Reyes throws his in on the hands to RH'ers designed to break over the plate. It acts more like a cutter than a sweeping slider like Clement had or someone like Bonderman.

[Cynosure]

Reyes is terrible it was a lot more than one pitch.

[Banedon]

Reyes is terrible it was a lot more than one pitch.

 

I suspect that Reyes is somewhere between "one bad pitch" and "terrible".

 

I mean it wasn't like we slugged him around.

[jjgman21]

Reyes is pretty luck Aram wasn't in first pitch mode like usual in the second inning because that hanging slider would have gone a long way had Aram taken a hack at it.

 

 

a couple months ago, Z made no bad pitches, and still lost the game on a freak pop up off the bat of Russel Branyan that managed to find the basket.

[Soul]

Why is it when the Cards lose to us we begin hearing an entirely inordinate amount of excuse-making coming from StL?

 

Seems like when we lose to them, we generally take our medicine and move on. What's with the StL whining and crying?

[Faceman]

Why is it when the Cards lose to us we begin hearing an entirely inordinate amount of excuse-making coming from StL?

 

Seems like when we lose to them, we generally take our medicine and move on. What's with the StL whining and crying?

 

Saying that the game was lost on one bad pitch to Ward is "excuse-making?"

 

Sure Reyes probably wasn't perfect other than that. The fact remains that the Cubs have scored a bunch of runs on very few hits in the series. Why so overly sensitive about the way the Cards media is scrutinizing Reyes' start? Who cares?

[Soul]

Why is it when the Cards lose to us we begin hearing an entirely inordinate amount of excuse-making coming from StL?

 

Seems like when we lose to them, we generally take our medicine and move on. What's with the StL whining and crying?

 

Saying that the game was lost on one bad pitch to Ward is "excuse-making?"

 

Sure Reyes probably wasn't perfect other than that. The fact remains that the Cubs have scored a bunch of runs on very few hits in the series. Why so overly sensitive about the way the Cards media is scrutinizing Reyes' start? Who cares?

 

Yeah, it is excuse making. The fact is, if you pitch the bases loaded and then give up a dinger, you just got beat. And that's the end of it. Crying about it being only one pitch is excuse making. Period.

[jjgman21]

Why is it when the Cards lose to us we begin hearing an entirely inordinate amount of excuse-making coming from StL?

 

Seems like when we lose to them, we generally take our medicine and move on. What's with the StL whining and crying?

 

Saying that the game was lost on one bad pitch to Ward is "excuse-making?"

 

Sure Reyes probably wasn't perfect other than that. The fact remains that the Cubs have scored a bunch of runs on very few hits in the series. Why so overly sensitive about the way the Cards media is scrutinizing Reyes' start? Who cares?

 

I think this illustrates the difference between being a player/fan of the Cardinals and being a player/fan of the Cubs. had the roles been reversed, the Cubs media would be absolutely trashing the Cubs for that loss (and the national media would give no mention of the bad call whatsoever).

 

but I think what you are also missing is it is not only the media making those comments, it's LaRussa.

 

 

as for how many runs have been scored vs. how many hits, that's fricken baseball, and that's sports in general. should we get into how many of the Cardinals hits yesterday were weakly hit but found holes and how many Cubs outs were hard hit atem' balls?

[SouthSideRyan]

Have to say though, respek to LaRussa for blowing off the question about the missed call at home. Said it was one run, so big deal if they called him safe we still lose 5-4.

[Faceman]

Why is it when the Cards lose to us we begin hearing an entirely inordinate amount of excuse-making coming from StL?

 

Seems like when we lose to them, we generally take our medicine and move on. What's with the StL whining and crying?

 

Saying that the game was lost on one bad pitch to Ward is "excuse-making?"

 

Sure Reyes probably wasn't perfect other than that. The fact remains that the Cubs have scored a bunch of runs on very few hits in the series. Why so overly sensitive about the way the Cards media is scrutinizing Reyes' start? Who cares?

 

I think this illustrates the difference between being a player/fan of the Cardinals and being a player/fan of the Cubs. had the roles been reversed, the Cubs media would be absolutely trashing the Cubs for that loss (and the national media would give no mention of the bad call whatsoever).

 

but I think what you are also missing is it is not only the media making those comments, it's LaRussa.

 

 

as for how many runs have been scored vs. how many hits, that's fricken baseball, and that's sports in general. should we get into how many of the Cardinals hits yesterday were weakly hit but found holes and how many Cubs outs were hard hit atem' balls?

 

LaRussa is backing his guy - that is his job - to motivate Reyes. He isn't going to trash his players to the media. Would Piniella do that?

 

As for the media - how do players or fans control them? Just because Mariotti knows how to get you guys going doesn't mean STL needs a Mariotti to constantly kick them in the nuts. That is irrelevant.

 

Yes - the hits / runs aspect is baseball. Nobody is arguing that. Why you guys have such a big problem with TLR's choice of motivating his players is beyond me. I would not want to root for a team where the manager calls out his players. Reyes knows his issues - he pitches well for many innings and then lays a turd in one. Walks, HBP, single and homer - game. Should LaRussa chastize him through the media? That makes no sense. And yes, it is baseball.

 

The luck comment is just a reaction to the large amount of woe-is-me going on in the recent game threads. I usually read through the Cub game threads at work because I enjoy seeing good baseball fans discussing a day game - but recently it's been kinda deep in there, IMO. Not used to seeing that on this board.

 

Here's to a couple good games to finish off the series. Hopefully the Cards can get one of the two. If not, I'll say you are welcome for sweeping the Brewers. :lol:

[Faceman]

Have to say though, respek to LaRussa for blowing off the question about the missed call at home. Said it was one run, so big deal if they called him safe we still lose 5-4.

 

I forgot to mention that - thanks. LaRussa gets such a bad rap from opposing and even home team fans that it is nice to see him defended occasionally.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If you take Game Thread chatter seriously, well, that's a problem.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why is it when the Cards lose to us we begin hearing an entirely inordinate amount of excuse-making coming from StL?

 

Seems like when we lose to them, we generally take our medicine and move on. What's with the StL whining and crying?

 

Saying that the game was lost on one bad pitch to Ward is "excuse-making?"

 

Sure Reyes probably wasn't perfect other than that. The fact remains that the Cubs have scored a bunch of runs on very few hits in the series. Why so overly sensitive about the way the Cards media is scrutinizing Reyes' start? Who cares?

 

I think this illustrates the difference between being a player/fan of the Cardinals and being a player/fan of the Cubs. had the roles been reversed, the Cubs media would be absolutely trashing the Cubs for that loss (and the national media would give no mention of the bad call whatsoever).

 

but I think what you are also missing is it is not only the media making those comments, it's LaRussa.

 

 

as for how many runs have been scored vs. how many hits, that's fricken baseball, and that's sports in general. should we get into how many of the Cardinals hits yesterday were weakly hit but found holes and how many Cubs outs were hard hit atem' balls?

 

 

I usually read through the Cub game threads at work because I enjoy seeing good baseball fans discussing a day game - but recently it's been kinda deep in there, IMO. Not used to seeing that on this board.

 

 

Cause we haven't been in a "pennant race" for 3 years. When emotion and fandom comes into play, you get a lot less intelligent talk and a lot more Ron Santo.(And there's nothing wrong with that, it's a lot more fun to have that much interest in a game rather than counting down til Dusty gets fired, and asking just how he can play Macias that much.) Adding the Cardinals into the mix only multiplies things.

[CubinNY]

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Yes - the hits / runs aspect is baseball. Nobody is arguing that. Why you guys have such a big problem with TLR's choice of motivating his players is beyond me. I would not want to root for a team where the manager calls out his players. Reyes knows his issues - he pitches well for many innings and then lays a turd in one. Walks, HBP, single and homer - game. Should LaRussa chastize him through the media? That makes no sense. And yes, it is baseball.

 

I have a theory that I haven't fully explored yet. It goes like this.

 

Hypothesis: Efficent teams are going to win more often then they lose.

 

Efficiency = runs/hit - errors (from the other teams during games played against said team)/games played

 

I have no idea if my hypothisis is correct.