8/5 Mets(Glavine) @ Cubs(Marquis) 7:05 P.M. CT ESPN

[cubbieblue12]

I've got an idea....let's walk a run in.

 

wont be the first time.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Woohoo 5-0

Cobs

[Mizzou]

let me get this straight. marquis the third highest paid pitcher on the team, but because he's pitched like absolute crap, he's considered the #5 starter. and because he's not the worst #5 starter around, he's doing his job?

 

so basically, he wasn't doing his job as the #3 starter, and his crappiness makes him a #5, where he deserves more slack. so pitching worse actually helped him.

Fine, consider him a #3 starter. He's better than most every #3 starter too.

 

He has the 27th best ERA in the league.

[Electron Blue]

let me get this straight. marquis the third highest paid pitcher on the team, but because he's pitched like absolute crap, he's considered the #5 starter. and because he's not the worst #5 starter around, he's doing his job?

 

so basically, he wasn't doing his job as the #3 starter, and his crappiness makes him a #5, where he deserves more slack. so pitching worse actually helped him.

 

Money doesn't matter. I thought it was even understood that rotation numbers doesn't matter. Performance matters. And Marquis is our fifth most effective SP. People are arguing, by that metric, that he is a "good" fifth starter. I don't know if its statisticaly true, but that's how I interpret the argument.

[cubbieblue12]

great.

[illiniguy]

in related news to kendall's two outs, soto hit another home run today

 

Doesn't he have more homeruns this season than all the players on the big league club now? Granted he's doing it in AAA, but come on already. He deserves his chance.

Shouldn't Pie play over Jones?

Shouldn't Murton play over Floyd?

Shouldn't Soto play over Kendall?

 

Face it Lou is Dusty with less skin pigment.

 

not even close

It is a lot closer than you think, besides Izturis losing out to the Riot it is close. Oh and Marquis is getting close to Estes territory.

 

fontenot, theriot and pie have all gotten a significant amount of time this year... dusty wouldn't have given any of them a shot unless he had no choice. Rich Hill would probably be in the bullpen by now. And Lou has not abused his starters the way that Dusty did.

Pie got in because we had to do it. Plus Lous pulled a Dusty by pulling him out for a "vet" who gives us no better chance to win. Dusty would have kept Hill in the rotation for the same reason that Lou has. We have no one else. Ask yourself if Prior was healthy this year, who would Lou have taken out of the rotation? You don't think it would be the obvius answer Marquis, do you?

[witty alias]

Has Kendall thrown out a runner as a Cub yet?

[TruffleShuffle]

I've got an idea....let's walk a run in.

 

wont be the first time.

 

can't walk across home plate dude

[Omar]

Nevermind. Dont bring in Wood. Use Wood in a spot that matters.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Has Kendall thrown out a runner as a Cub yet?

Nope

[Mizzou]

Come on, Mizzou. "5th starter" is nonsense. That's a cherry picked fact. He's a bad starter. No contending team should have a 5th starter who pitches with an ERA above 5 for 2 straight months. You know better that that.

 

He had a very good April and a decent May. He's fallen off a cliff since.

It's not nonsense. He's the 5th best starter on this team. It's silly to compare him to other team's aces and such. It makes sense to see how he performs compared to other team's 5th starters. And he performs very well. Better than every other team's 5th starter. He's doing his job.

 

What?? "He's doing his job"?? What's his job? To pitch us out of games? To give up 4 runs in 5 IP? He's sucked the past 2 months. He's the "5th starter" because he's easily the worst on our staff. He's making too much money to have a above 5 ERA.

Seriously, why do you continue to say that? It's a flat out lie.

 

If you're not going to be truthful, I'm not going to waste time talking to you.

 

what the hell is the matter with you?

 

june -- 5.09 era

july -- 6.29

august -- 4 runs and counting in 5 innings.

 

who's lying?

What the hell is the matter with you man?

 

He has had good outtings and bad ones. Half good, half bad. That doesn't mean he's been awful. Look at his freaking game log. Try and have someone read it to you if you still don't understand.

[Magnetic Curses]

it sucks to give up a landmark win to glavine.

[Rebel_Cubbie]

anyone annoyed by the girls behind home plate that don't seem to pay attention to a SINGLE bit of the game?

 

You know what they call those girls this game -

 

"happy".

 

happy to be at the game...or to just be on TV while they talk to their friends on the phone

 

Happy to not care about the outcome.

Ah. I get it know. What a blissful feeling that must be. Makes things much more enjoyable I'm sure.

[98navigator]

Nice to see all our flaws being exposed on national TV.

 

Marquis has been awful for 6 weeks, our OF completely sucks, our offense is inept against LHP and our trainers are beyond bad.

Yeah, aside from the fact that he hasn't.

 

Damn it DeRosa, what the hell

 

What was his July ERA again? 6?

 

Yeah, he's awesome.

Look at his game log. He hasn't been as bad as you make him out to be. As I said in another thread, he's the best 5th starter in baseball too.

 

You're right, I was wrong.

 

He's been bad for 9 weeks. His June ERA was over 5 and his July ERA was over 6.

 

Yeah, great, he can mix in one good start amidst 3 godawful ones. We should be lucky we have him for 3 years.

3 of his last 6 starts have been quality. No 5th starter in baseball has a better ERA than Marquis.

 

Keep the hyperbole coming.

 

Come on, Mizzou. "5th starter" is nonsense. That's a cherry picked fact. He's a bad starter. No contending team should have a 5th starter who pitches with an ERA above 5 for 2 straight months. You know better that that.

 

He had a very good April and a decent May. He's fallen off a cliff since.

 

This isn't my argument but I have to step in because Marquis hasn't been that bad overall. Look no further than the Brewers rotation and you'll see guys who have been more inconsistent. Marquis', arguably, the Cubs least dependable starter yet he hasn't been so bad that the Cubs are blown out every time he pitches.

 

This wouldn't be an issue if the Cubs had scored some runs tonight. Hell, I'm still not ready to concede this game (although, Eyre could make this a moot point).

The Brewers have a great offense, we don't. If we try and crap our rotation down to theirs, someone will win this division by 5 games.

 

The Cubs have better pitching. More often than not, the Cubs will keep their opponents under 4 runs. That's a huge difference between the 2 teams.

 

I'm not going to freak out about this game or Marquis.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Has Kendall thrown out a runner as a Cub yet?

 

Nope...but promisingly enough, I heard he successfully spiked himself in the clubhouse today...

[cubfan1955]

Any team that has Marquis starting better be able to score in bunches. This team can't.

[Derwood]

who is in the Mets pen? any chance of a comeback?

[kente777]

Come on, Mizzou. "5th starter" is nonsense. That's a cherry picked fact. He's a bad starter. No contending team should have a 5th starter who pitches with an ERA above 5 for 2 straight months. You know better that that.

 

He had a very good April and a decent May. He's fallen off a cliff since.

It's not nonsense. He's the 5th best starter on this team. It's silly to compare him to other team's aces and such. It makes sense to see how he performs compared to other team's 5th starters. And he performs very well. Better than every other team's 5th starter. He's doing his job.

 

What?? "He's doing his job"?? What's his job? To pitch us out of games? To give up 4 runs in 5 IP? He's sucked the past 2 months. He's the "5th starter" because he's easily the worst on our staff. He's making too much money to have a above 5 ERA.

Seriously, why do you continue to say that? It's a flat out lie.

 

If you're not going to be truthful, I'm not going to waste time talking to you.

 

what the hell is the matter with you?

 

june -- 5.09 era

july -- 6.29

august -- 4 runs and counting in 5 innings.

 

who's lying?

What the hell is the matter with you man?

 

He has had good outtings and bad ones. Half good, half bad. That doesn't mean he's been awful. Look at his freaking game log. Try and have someone read it to you if you still don't understand.

 

He's given you the stats and you still can't admit that Marquis sucks. Last I heard a 4 plus ERA is not very good, let alone a 5 and 6 plus.

[illiniguy]

Hopefully we get to see Woody at least.

[Alfonso Soriano]

STAT OF THE DAY:

Marquis did not allow a homer today.

 

History has been made tonight and it did not involve Glavine.

[abuck1220]

Come on, Mizzou. "5th starter" is nonsense. That's a cherry picked fact. He's a bad starter. No contending team should have a 5th starter who pitches with an ERA above 5 for 2 straight months. You know better that that.

 

He had a very good April and a decent May. He's fallen off a cliff since.

It's not nonsense. He's the 5th best starter on this team. It's silly to compare him to other team's aces and such. It makes sense to see how he performs compared to other team's 5th starters. And he performs very well. Better than every other team's 5th starter. He's doing his job.

 

What?? "He's doing his job"?? What's his job? To pitch us out of games? To give up 4 runs in 5 IP? He's sucked the past 2 months. He's the "5th starter" because he's easily the worst on our staff. He's making too much money to have a above 5 ERA.

Seriously, why do you continue to say that? It's a flat out lie.

 

If you're not going to be truthful, I'm not going to waste time talking to you.

 

what the hell is the matter with you?

 

june -- 5.09 era

july -- 6.29

august -- 4 runs and counting in 5 innings.

 

who's lying?

What the hell is the matter with you man?

 

He has had good outtings and bad ones. Half good, half bad. That doesn't mean he's been awful. Look at his freaking game log. Try and have someone read it to you if you still don't understand.

 

have someone read these numbers to you if you still don't understand.

 

5.09

6.29

[Keener98]

let me get this straight. marquis the third highest paid pitcher on the team, but because he's pitched like absolute crap, he's considered the #5 starter. and because he's not the worst #5 starter around, he's doing his job?

 

so basically, he wasn't doing his job as the #3 starter, and his crappiness makes him a #5, where he deserves more slack. so pitching worse actually helped him.

Fine, consider him a #3 starter. He's better than most every #3 starter too.

 

He has the 27th best ERA in the league.

 

Yea because he had a 2.3 era the first month. Why do you keep ignoring the fact that his numbers in the 2nd half of the season in his career are absolutely horrible, and things arent changing so far this season. Marquis has historically gotten worse as every month goes on throughout his career. He is making our bullpen go 4-5+ every outing.

[Magnetic Curses]

marquis is not good by any stretch of the imagination, especially at his contract. the next couple of years, plus the last part of this one, he'll be a big fat albatross that no one will take unless we pay his entire salary. hopefully canning gets enough money together to make some moves.

[Omar]

Hopefully we get to see Woody at least.

 

Nope. I want to see him in a tough spot. Dont waste him on mop-up.

[Rusch33]

We'll be a game out of first if we lose, and people are writing off this season.

 

Mostly all of guys are pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourselves to write off a season on losing a series at Wrigley to the Mets.

 

One GAME OUT OF FIRST PLACE.

 

Again, one game out of first place.

 

Keep away from the ledge or stop being a fan.

We can't score a run off of a 41 year old.

 

It's one game. Who cares?

 

Glavine didn't win 300 games just on his name. He's a pretty damn good pitcher.

 

Care to argue with me on Glavine not being a good pitcher?