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Big day for Izturis....

 

This usually happens when people whine about the lineup.

 

If Izturis had a big day every time we bitched about him being in the lineup he'd be batting .600

 

Yeah, oh well.

 

I just sit back and enjoy the bitch sessions that ensue. He's on the team, its inevitable he is going to start every now and then.

 

I particularly love the "Cubs are guaranteed to lose" posts that usually follow.

 

Agreed.

 

If my math is right, against right-handers, Theriot reaches base about once every six games more than Izturis.

 

The notion that this team is dramatically worse with Izturis at SS instead of Theriot is hyperbolic nonsense. Yet, no one ever complains about Theriot hitting second.

 

Ryan Theriot .343 OBP Isturis .294... Do I really need to say more?

 

Against RHP, Theriot has a .347 OBP, Izturis has a .316 OBP. That's the equivalent of about 18 extra times on base over a full season, or about 1 time every 9 games.

 

Sure, I'd rather play Theriot, but is a once per nine game difference really enough to act like the Cubs have absolutely no chance to win because Izturis is in the lineup?

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Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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Theriot isn't lighting the world on fire, but he's not an automatic out like Izturis. You still gotta give Theriot a day off from time to time though, we've seen what happens when he starts getting tired. Too bad Cedeno can't be the one to step in instead of Cesar.

 

LOL They have played 1 game since having 4 days off, no reason anybody on this team needs a day off right now. Theriot is 5 for his last 10, can Izturis say that about himself at any point this season? Doubtful

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Theriot isn't lighting the world on fire, but he's not an automatic out like Izturis. You still gotta give Theriot a day off from time to time though, we've seen what happens when he starts getting tired. Too bad Cedeno can't be the one to step in instead of Cesar.

 

LOL They have played 1 game since having 4 days off, no reason anybody on this team needs a day off right now. Theriot is 5 for his last 10, can Izturis say that about himself at any point this season? Doubtful

 

May 12-14, Izturis was 8-13.

 

Try again.

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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Big day for Izturis....

 

This usually happens when people whine about the lineup.

 

If Izturis had a big day every time we bitched about him being in the lineup he'd be batting .600

 

Yeah, oh well.

 

I just sit back and enjoy the bitch sessions that ensue. He's on the team, its inevitable he is going to start every now and then.

 

I particularly love the "Cubs are guaranteed to lose" posts that usually follow.

 

Agreed.

 

If my math is right, against right-handers, Theriot reaches base about once every six games more than Izturis.

 

The notion that this team is dramatically worse with Izturis at SS instead of Theriot is hyperbolic nonsense. Yet, no one ever complains about Theriot hitting second.

 

Ryan Theriot .343 OBP Isturis .294... Do I really need to say more?

 

Against RHP, Theriot has a .347 OBP, Izturis has a .316 OBP. That's the equivalent of about 18 extra times on base over a full season, or about 1 time every 9 games.

 

Sure, I'd rather play Theriot, but is a once per nine game difference really enough to act like the Cubs have absolutely no chance to win because Izturis is in the lineup?

 

I havent acted like the Cubs have no chance because of Izturis in the lineup. I was responding to your question about why nobody complains when Theriot is batting 2nd, and its pretty obvious.

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What a craptastic lineup..Wheres Fontenot??? Bowen,Jones and Izturis in?? Lou must be slamming that bottle of vodka this morning thats in his drawer.

 

Soto isn't much better than Bown, and Jones is probably better than Pagan. Izturis blows, but then again so do all our other SS. I'd have put Fontenot at short since Lilly is a fly ball pitcher.

 

 

What of his .341 avg in the minors and ONE game in the big leagues this year has brought you to this conclusion?

 

Career Minor League OPS:

 

Bowen .715

Soto .715

 

Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

 

Except that it takes catchers longer to develop usually, and nothing in Bowens major league career shows he is anything more than a backup, where as Sotos year this year could mean he has found it. It wont take much for Soto to be better than Bowen.

 

Maybe, but Soto isn't much better right now, and Oswalt is a RHP who is better against RH batters. Eventually Soto will hopefully be better, but right now the difference is really negligible.

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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Theriot isn't lighting the world on fire, but he's not an automatic out like Izturis. You still gotta give Theriot a day off from time to time though, we've seen what happens when he starts getting tired. Too bad Cedeno can't be the one to step in instead of Cesar.

 

LOL They have played 1 game since having 4 days off, no reason anybody on this team needs a day off right now. Theriot is 5 for his last 10, can Izturis say that about himself at any point this season? Doubtful

 

May 12-14, Izturis was 8-13.

 

Try again.

 

Hey I said doubtful, not impossible. OK lets try this one. Theriot has a hit in 8 of the last 10 games hes played in, and the 2 games he doesnt, he only had 1 ab. Can Izturis say that about himself at any point this season? Doubtful

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What a craptastic lineup..Wheres Fontenot??? Bowen,Jones and Izturis in?? Lou must be slamming that bottle of vodka this morning thats in his drawer.

 

Soto isn't much better than Bown, and Jones is probably better than Pagan. Izturis blows, but then again so do all our other SS. I'd have put Fontenot at short since Lilly is a fly ball pitcher.

 

 

What of his .341 avg in the minors and ONE game in the big leagues this year has brought you to this conclusion?

 

Career Minor League OPS:

 

Bowen .715

Soto .715

 

Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

 

Except that it takes catchers longer to develop usually, and nothing in Bowens major league career shows he is anything more than a backup, where as Sotos year this year could mean he has found it. It wont take much for Soto to be better than Bowen.

 

Maybe, but Soto isn't much better right now, and Oswalt is a RHP who is better against RH batters. Eventually Soto will hopefully be better, but right now the difference is really negligible.

 

I love how people on this board want it both ways. They think it's outrageous that Piniella expects Pie or Soto to produce right away at the big league level and think its ridiculous that he would bench them after two weeks of unproductive at bats.

 

But when someone suggests that Jones is likely to outproduce Pie in the second half, those very same people are utterly disgusted by that concept too.

 

You can't have it both ways.

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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What a craptastic lineup..Wheres Fontenot??? Bowen,Jones and Izturis in?? Lou must be slamming that bottle of vodka this morning thats in his drawer.

 

Soto isn't much better than Bown, and Jones is probably better than Pagan. Izturis blows, but then again so do all our other SS. I'd have put Fontenot at short since Lilly is a fly ball pitcher.

 

 

What of his .341 avg in the minors and ONE game in the big leagues this year has brought you to this conclusion?

 

Career Minor League OPS:

 

Bowen .715

Soto .715

 

Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

 

Except that it takes catchers longer to develop usually, and nothing in Bowens major league career shows he is anything more than a backup, where as Sotos year this year could mean he has found it. It wont take much for Soto to be better than Bowen.

 

Maybe, but Soto isn't much better right now, and Oswalt is a RHP who is better against RH batters. Eventually Soto will hopefully be better, but right now the difference is really negligible.

 

Bowen is hitting .216 with a .318 OBP against rightys this year, you dont think Soto could do better than that?

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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What a craptastic lineup..Wheres Fontenot??? Bowen,Jones and Izturis in?? Lou must be slamming that bottle of vodka this morning thats in his drawer.

 

Soto isn't much better than Bown, and Jones is probably better than Pagan. Izturis blows, but then again so do all our other SS. I'd have put Fontenot at short since Lilly is a fly ball pitcher.

 

 

What of his .341 avg in the minors and ONE game in the big leagues this year has brought you to this conclusion?

 

Career Minor League OPS:

 

Bowen .715

Soto .715

 

Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

 

Except that it takes catchers longer to develop usually, and nothing in Bowens major league career shows he is anything more than a backup, where as Sotos year this year could mean he has found it. It wont take much for Soto to be better than Bowen.

 

Maybe, but Soto isn't much better right now, and Oswalt is a RHP who is better against RH batters. Eventually Soto will hopefully be better, but right now the difference is really negligible.

 

I love how people on this board want it both ways. They think it's outrageous that Piniella expects Pie or Soto to produce right away at the big league level and think its ridiculous that he would bench them after two weeks of unproductive at bats.

 

But when someone suggests that Jones is likely to outproduce Pie in the second half, those very same people are utterly disgusted by that concept too.

 

You can't have it both ways.

 

Sotos played 1 damn game, what the hell are you talking about?

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What a craptastic lineup..Wheres Fontenot??? Bowen,Jones and Izturis in?? Lou must be slamming that bottle of vodka this morning thats in his drawer.

 

Soto isn't much better than Bown, and Jones is probably better than Pagan. Izturis blows, but then again so do all our other SS. I'd have put Fontenot at short since Lilly is a fly ball pitcher.

 

 

What of his .341 avg in the minors and ONE game in the big leagues this year has brought you to this conclusion?

 

Career Minor League OPS:

 

Bowen .715

Soto .715

 

Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

 

Except that it takes catchers longer to develop usually, and nothing in Bowens major league career shows he is anything more than a backup, where as Sotos year this year could mean he has found it. It wont take much for Soto to be better than Bowen.

 

Maybe, but Soto isn't much better right now, and Oswalt is a RHP who is better against RH batters. Eventually Soto will hopefully be better, but right now the difference is really negligible.

 

Bowen is hitting .216 with a .318 OBP against rightys this year, you dont think Soto could do better than that?

 

He probably can.

 

But looking at their identical minor league OPS, it's entirely reasonable to think that they're pretty comparable players.

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Call me an idiot if you want, but hear me out. Sure I'd obviously rather not see Izturis out there, but as I said earlier, it is inevitable that he is going to start every now and then.

 

Taking today's lineup into consideration I would rather have Izturs hitting 2nd, surrounded by Soriano and Lee compared to having a 6-7-8-9 of Jones, Bowen, Izturis, and Lilly.

 

Today is as good as day as any to put Izturis in for Theriot with Oswalt on the mound.

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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What a craptastic lineup..Wheres Fontenot??? Bowen,Jones and Izturis in?? Lou must be slamming that bottle of vodka this morning thats in his drawer.

 

Soto isn't much better than Bown, and Jones is probably better than Pagan. Izturis blows, but then again so do all our other SS. I'd have put Fontenot at short since Lilly is a fly ball pitcher.

 

 

What of his .341 avg in the minors and ONE game in the big leagues this year has brought you to this conclusion?

 

Career Minor League OPS:

 

Bowen .715

Soto .715

 

Seems like a reasonable conclusion to me.

 

Except that it takes catchers longer to develop usually, and nothing in Bowens major league career shows he is anything more than a backup, where as Sotos year this year could mean he has found it. It wont take much for Soto to be better than Bowen.

 

Maybe, but Soto isn't much better right now, and Oswalt is a RHP who is better against RH batters. Eventually Soto will hopefully be better, but right now the difference is really negligible.

 

Bowen is hitting .216 with a .318 OBP against rightys this year, you dont think Soto could do better than that?

 

He probably can.

 

But looking at their identical minor league OPS, it's entirely reasonable to think that they're pretty comparable players.[/quote

 

Has Bowen ever put up the numbers in AAA that Soto is this year?

Keener98 Knoxville Smokies

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Izturis had a 9 game hit streak at one point

 

Shhhhh. Im having fun right now, watching somebody defend Izturis :wink:

 

I'm not defending him. He sucks.

 

But so does Theriot.

 

But Theriot sucks less, that is my point

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Izturis had a 9 game hit streak at one point

 

Shhhhh. Im having fun right now, watching somebody defend Izturis :wink:

 

I'm not defending him. He sucks.

 

But so does Theriot.

 

But Theriot sucks less, that is my point

 

That would be a lower co-efficient of suckitude, no?

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