How About This for a Blockbuster Trade?

[Yestheydo]

I don't know how anyone can look at Dunn's career September numbers and still want to trade for him. His name would look pretty in the lineup but he flat out tanks sometime in August. Plus there really is no way you want him in RF. I stopped considering Dunn the second I realized Soriano had to be in left to be productive.

 

Hypothetically, would anyone here trade Soriano (ntc I know) for Dunn and Griffey?

[fromthestretch]

Who doesn't love Dunn?

 

Me. Talk about overrated. I would rather keep Murton who would out produce Dunn. HR is an overrated stat. You can score without a HR. You can't score that often when you have a Run Producer setting the all time record for season strikeouts.

 

Don't tell Ryan Howard.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Would Dunn really be that much of a butcher in RF if the Cubs somehow got that deal done? .

 

Considering how bad Floyd is defensively in right, dealing for Dunn might upgrade our defense.

 

For someone that has such a man-crush on Dunn, you are either extremely myopic, or you just don't watch the ballgames. Dunn is the WORST defensive outfielder I've seen in a long time. A one-legged Cliff Floyd is still a superior defender to Dunn on his best day.

 

And Dunn is a one-dimensional zero with declining peripherals. Total yuck. Now, you want to talk Junior, I'm on board with that idea. And I love the Marshall + Murton idea. But enough of the Adam Dunn lust, I want no part of him.

 

I do watch enough games to know that Dunn gets to balls a lot quicker than Floyd who runs like my grandma.

 

Dunn's line this year: 259/349/549. He's also added 7 SB this season to go with his 23 HR.

 

Dunn is not good defensively, but neither is Floyd. Both are bad in RF. Dunn would be no worse than Floyd. If you've watched Floyd gimp after balls for the past month, I don't see how you can conclude otherwise. By the way, other than Cubs v Reds, how many Reds games have you watched this year?

[Mizzou]

I don't know how anyone can look at Dunn's career September numbers and still want to trade for him. His name would look pretty in the lineup but he flat out tanks sometime in August. Plus there really is no way you want him in RF. I stopped considering Dunn the second I realized Soriano had to be in left to be productive.

 

Hypothetically, would anyone here trade Soriano (ntc I know) for Dunn and Griffey?

Just to expand on that point, Dunn's career numbers in the last two months of the season...

 

August: .221/.343/.477

September: .211/.346/.386

 

And last year...

 

August: .188/.284/.416

September: .157/.333/.265

 

I don't want a guy who can't hit better than .220 during the stretch run. Just another in the long list of reasons to not go after Adam Dunn.

[E.J.]

Dunn probably just stops caring like the rest of the Reds do come August and September. It's not like they're playing for anything at that point.

[Mizzou]

Dunn probably just stops caring like the rest of the Reds do come August and September. It's not like they're playing for anything at that point.

They were certainly playing for something last year. Meanwhile, Dunn couldn't keep his average above the Mendoza line.

[Soul]

I don't know how anyone can look at Dunn's career September numbers and still want to trade for him. His name would look pretty in the lineup but he flat out tanks sometime in August. Plus there really is no way you want him in RF. I stopped considering Dunn the second I realized Soriano had to be in left to be productive.

 

Hypothetically, would anyone here trade Soriano (ntc I know) for Dunn and Griffey?

Just to expand on that point, Dunn's career numbers in the last two months of the season...

 

August: .221/.343/.477

September: .211/.346/.386

 

And last year...

 

August: .188/.284/.416

September: .157/.333/.265

 

I don't want a guy who can't hit better than .220 during the stretch run. Just another in the long list of reasons to not go after Adam Dunn.

 

Good Lord that's bad. Wonder what happens? He's a big guy, but doesn't look out of shape to the point that he would just break down.

 

I'm kind of hoping these are the numbers we'll see from Prince Fielder in August and September 8-)

[Exile on Waveland]

Would Dunn really be that much of a butcher in RF if the Cubs somehow got that deal done? .

 

Considering how bad Floyd is defensively in right, dealing for Dunn might upgrade our defense.

 

For someone that has such a man-crush on Dunn, you are either extremely myopic, or you just don't watch the ballgames. Dunn is the WORST defensive outfielder I've seen in a long time. A one-legged Cliff Floyd is still a superior defender to Dunn on his best day.

 

And Dunn is a one-dimensional zero with declining peripherals. Total yuck. Now, you want to talk Junior, I'm on board with that idea. And I love the Marshall + Murton idea. But enough of the Adam Dunn lust, I want no part of him.

 

I do watch enough games to know that Dunn gets to balls a lot quicker than Floyd who runs like my grandma.

 

Dunn's line this year: 259/349/549. He's also added 7 SB this season to go with his 23 HR.

 

Dunn is not good defensively, but neither is Floyd. Both are bad in RF. Dunn would be no worse than Floyd. If you've watched Floyd gimp after balls for the past month, I don't see how you can conclude otherwise. By the way, other than Cubs v Reds, how many Reds games have you watched this year?

 

I'd take Dunn, but he would be much worse than Floyd in RF. Seriously, have you seen his keystone cops routine in LF? His offense likely would outweigh his defensive issues, but he would be a travesty in RF.

[Garwilly]

What would adding Brenley to this deal get us?

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm pretty sure i'll be dead before adam dunn plays for the cubs

[slieb85]

Marshall instead of Hill and I'd do it.

 

Any Reds deal with the Cubs starts with Sean Marshall.

 

Also, the Reds may be close to dealing Dunn to the LAA.

 

That is a better deal for both teams. Joe Saunders and Eric Aybar might be enough to get that deal Dunn (Ha, Ha)

 

Dunn is the perfect example of how overvalued OBP really is. Don't misunderstand, getting on base is important but it does not trump all other offensive stats. There is a reason that for nearly 100 years the only stats that people would recite about players were BA, HR & RBI. Dunn has some things going for him but not a lot. He can hit the Ball VERY far when he connects but is ultimately the 4th best HR hitter on the Cubs should he be picked up. Does 1 team really need that many HR hitters? 4 Solo HR is the same as 2 2 Run HR. Finding a good balance through the entire order makes better sense. See the Red Sox, Brewers & Angels this season as an example (although there are some holes on each team).

 

And what is the best way to judge how often you get on base for those 2 run HR's? OBP. A guy who gets on base at a 400 clip and hits .265 is more valuable than a .330 hitter who has and OBP of .365 and especially -so when the .265 hitter has a +.500 SLG and the .330 hitter has a SLG of around .450. The reason that those stats you listed are what everyone refers to is because they are the easiest to grasp. But don't be fooled if you make less outs and make more productive hits, you are a better hitter (even if your average is .65 lower).

[Tracer Bullet]

Marshall instead of Hill and I'd do it.

 

Any Reds deal with the Cubs starts with Sean Marshall.

 

Also, the Reds may be close to dealing Dunn to the LAA.

 

That is a better deal for both teams. Joe Saunders and Eric Aybar might be enough to get that deal Dunn (Ha, Ha)

 

Dunn is the perfect example of how overvalued OBP really is. Don't misunderstand, getting on base is important but it does not trump all other offensive stats. There is a reason that for nearly 100 years the only stats that people would recite about players were BA, HR & RBI. Dunn has some things going for him but not a lot. He can hit the Ball VERY far when he connects but is ultimately the 4th best HR hitter on the Cubs should he be picked up. Does 1 team really need that many HR hitters? 4 Solo HR is the same as 2 2 Run HR. Finding a good balance through the entire order makes better sense. See the Red Sox, Brewers & Angels this season as an example (although there are some holes on each team).

 

You're not seriously arguing that we should do things the way they've been done for 100 years purely because they've been done that way for 100 years, are you?

[soccer10k]

Marshall instead of Hill and I'd do it.

 

Any Reds deal with the Cubs starts with Sean Marshall.

 

Also, the Reds may be close to dealing Dunn to the LAA.

 

That is a better deal for both teams. Joe Saunders and Eric Aybar might be enough to get that deal Dunn (Ha, Ha)

 

Dunn is the perfect example of how overvalued OBP really is. Don't misunderstand, getting on base is important but it does not trump all other offensive stats. There is a reason that for nearly 100 years the only stats that people would recite about players were BA, HR & RBI. Dunn has some things going for him but not a lot. He can hit the Ball VERY far when he connects but is ultimately the 4th best HR hitter on the Cubs should he be picked up. Does 1 team really need that many HR hitters? 4 Solo HR is the same as 2 2 Run HR. Finding a good balance through the entire order makes better sense. See the Red Sox, Brewers & Angels this season as an example (although there are some holes on each team).

 

Um...not exactly.

 

Right now Dunn has 23 home runs this year. The most any Cub has right now is 15 (ARam and Soriano). So how does that make him the fourth best home run hitter should he be picked up? And who, since I'm assuming you mean Aram and Soriano are the top 2 on the Cubs, would be the third best home run hitter on the Cubs? Lee? DeRosa? Floyd?

 

Now if you said that Dunn would be the fourth best hitter on the Cubs if he got picked up, that I could agree with (behind DLee, ARam, and Soriano) but there is no way Dunn would be the fourth best HR hitter on the Cubs. That statement is just absurd.

[reds44]

The Reds are going no where. Cubs need some bats. How about this deal?

 

Reds get:

Rich Hill

Matt Murton

Scott Eyre

 

 

Cubs get:

Adam Dunn

Javier Valentin

 

Cubs add a wonderful bat in Dunn and get a catcher that's better than what we currently have. The Reds get Hill and a replacement outfielder in Murton. It's become evident that Murton has no place in Chicago. The Reds take Eyre to help even out salaries, though the Cubs are still taking on some money in the deal.

 

The Cubs will have to find a starter to replace Hill.

 

The deal could be tinkered to include another prospect moving from the Cubs if the Reds would take Jones instead of Murton.

1. Javier Valentin is a god awful catcher. Sure he cant hit vs. righties, but he is the worst defensive catcher.

2. Why the hell would the Reds want Scott Eyre. If we are dumping Dunn, it's to get rid of his salary because we don't want to sign him. Signing Scott Eyre gives us a bad reliever with a bad contract. I like Murton and would love to have him in LF, but why would we want Eyre?

 

No Eyre, and switch Hill with Marshall.

[nilodnayr]

Marshall instead of Hill and I'd do it.

 

Any Reds deal with the Cubs starts with Sean Marshall.

 

Also, the Reds may be close to dealing Dunn to the LAA.

 

That is a better deal for both teams. Joe Saunders and Eric Aybar might be enough to get that deal Dunn (Ha, Ha)

 

Dunn is the perfect example of how overvalued OBP really is. Don't misunderstand, getting on base is important but it does not trump all other offensive stats. There is a reason that for nearly 100 years the only stats that people would recite about players were BA, HR & RBI. Dunn has some things going for him but not a lot. He can hit the Ball VERY far when he connects but is ultimately the 4th best HR hitter on the Cubs should he be picked up. Does 1 team really need that many HR hitters? 4 Solo HR is the same as 2 2 Run HR. Finding a good balance through the entire order makes better sense. See the Red Sox, Brewers & Angels this season as an example (although there are some holes on each team).

 

You're not seriously arguing that we should do things the way they've been done for 100 years purely because they've been done that way for 100 years, are you?

 

Theres a reason people lived for millions of years without electicity. Electricity is the devil!!!

[Shavo]

 

switch Hill with Marshall.

 

:shock: ... Thanks!

 

So Marshall and Murton do it for you?

[Yeti]

crap, i got a sweet bag o ganja tonight, but i want what ever you're smokin