7/3 CUBS (Zambrano) vs Nat's (Redding), 6:05pm CT, WGN-TV

[badgercub]

Theriot batting 3rd?

[CubColtPacer]

Theriot batting 3rd?

 

He's batting 2nd.

[badgercub]

Theriot batting 3rd?

 

He's batting 2nd.

 

I should learn how to read. I guess the "Chicago Cubs" are not batting leadoff.

[cjbucks]

Still no Pie.

 

Maybe we should send him back down.

 

If this little breather lasts through the break, then definitely.

 

Lou seems to think the bench time helped Riot - said his bat looked slow so he gave him a few days off. He is probably thinking the same thing will work with Pie.

[E.J.]

Lineups are up:

 

Chi Cubs

Soriano lf

Theriot ss

Dee 1b

Floyd rf

DeRosa 3b

Fontenot 2b

Pagan cf

Hill c

Zambrano p

 

Soto Please.

[98navigator]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player (.797 OPS in 42 games vs. Pie's .626 OPS in 45 games). However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow. Edited July 3, 2007 by 98navigator

[Omar]

In 79 career starts, Tim Redding has never had a complete game.

 

There's a first time for everything.

[Sarcastic]

Even with a week lineup, the Cubs should be able to put up a few runs against Redding

[Keener98]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

[CubColtPacer]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

 

You make it sound like Lou is punishing him. According to everything out there, Lou is trying to keep Pie's confidence up, and he's having him work on things in batting practice. When asked if Pie was going to be sent down, he said absolutely not because he was so high on what Pie could offer this team. You're trying to do what's best for him, and so is Lou-both of you just have different opinions on what's best for his development.

[CubmanPi]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

In Lou's defense, the same mentality that's keeping Pie out of the lineup are also keeping Jock and Iz-sucksatbaseball-is out of the lineup.

[jersey cubs fan]

Still no Pie.

 

Maybe we should send him back down.

 

If this little breather lasts through the break, then definitely.

 

Lou seems to think the bench time helped Riot - said his bat looked slow so he gave him a few days off. He is probably thinking the same thing will work with Pie.

 

The difference of course is Theriot doesn't really have much of a future, he's either going to stick as a utility guy or not. There's no need to try and get him over slumps by playing. Plus, he never sat 4 days in a row. He had a week where played every other day. Pie is pretty much the 25th man.

[jersey cubs fan]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

In Lou's defense, the same mentality that's keeping Pie out of the lineup are also keeping Jock and Iz-sucksatbaseball-is out of the lineup.

 

Not really. The mentality that keeps Izturis and Jones on the bench is they are proven failure who offer nothing to the team now or in the future. While Pie is a kid who may have a future if he works through struggles.

[Keener98]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

 

You make it sound like Lou is punishing him. According to everything out there, Lou is trying to keep Pie's confidence up, and he's having him work on things in batting practice. When asked if Pie was going to be sent down, he said absolutely not because he was so high on what Pie could offer this team. You're trying to do what's best for him, and so is Lou-both of you just have different opinions on what's best for his development.

 

I understand that, but I dont care who you are, if you go from starting every game for 2-3 weeks straight, to not starting in 4 games, your confidence is going to take a hit. My problem with him sitting this much, is when he does get his 1 start or whatever to see if hes "figured it out" its pretty safe to assume hes going to be pressing. Of course if we had a SS or C who gave us even average to a little above average production, Pie's struggles in CF would be no big deal.

[CubColtPacer]

Still no Pie.

 

Maybe we should send him back down.

 

If this little breather lasts through the break, then definitely.

 

Lou seems to think the bench time helped Riot - said his bat looked slow so he gave him a few days off. He is probably thinking the same thing will work with Pie.

 

The difference of course is Theriot doesn't really have much of a future, he's either going to stick as a utility guy or not. There's no need to try and get him over slumps by playing. Plus, he never sat 4 days in a row. He had a week where played every other day. Pie is pretty much the 25th man.

 

Theriot didn't start on Friday 22nd, Saturday 23rd, Sunday the 24th, Monday 25th, and Tuesday the 26th-so he sat 5 days in a row, and then he started 1 game, and then sat 2 more before starting the last 3 games now (including tonight).

[Shilzzz]

Still no Pie.

 

Maybe we should send him back down.

 

If this little breather lasts through the break, then definitely.

 

Lou seems to think the bench time helped Riot - said his bat looked slow so he gave him a few days off. He is probably thinking the same thing will work with Pie.

 

The difference of course is Theriot doesn't really have much of a future, he's either going to stick as a utility guy or not. There's no need to try and get him over slumps by playing. Plus, he never sat 4 days in a row. He had a week where played every other day. Pie is pretty much the 25th man.

 

jones is closer to 25th man status than pie right now. guarantee pie comes in to pinch hit/run before jones.

[CubColtPacer]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

 

You make it sound like Lou is punishing him. According to everything out there, Lou is trying to keep Pie's confidence up, and he's having him work on things in batting practice. When asked if Pie was going to be sent down, he said absolutely not because he was so high on what Pie could offer this team. You're trying to do what's best for him, and so is Lou-both of you just have different opinions on what's best for his development.

 

I understand that, but I dont care who you are, if you go from starting every game for 2-3 weeks straight, to not starting in 4 games, your confidence is going to take a hit. My problem with him sitting this much, is when he does get his 1 start or whatever to see if hes "figured it out" its pretty safe to assume hes going to be pressing. Of course if we had a SS or C who gave us even average to a little above average production, Pie's struggles in CF would be no big deal.

 

The one thing I certainly hope is that if Lou is going to give him this time off to clear his head, Pie will get more than 1 consecutive start again when Lou puts him back in. I don't mind the break as much, but then I'd throw him back in there for at least another couple weeks.

[ctcf]

Still no Pie.

 

Maybe we should send him back down.

 

If this little breather lasts through the break, then definitely.

 

Lou seems to think the bench time helped Riot - said his bat looked slow so he gave him a few days off. He is probably thinking the same thing will work with Pie.

 

The difference of course is Theriot doesn't really have much of a future, he's either going to stick as a utility guy or not. There's no need to try and get him over slumps by playing. Plus, he never sat 4 days in a row. He had a week where played every other day. Pie is pretty much the 25th man.

 

jones is closer to 25th man status than pie right now. guarantee pie comes in to pinch hit/run before jones.

 

That said, he needs to be starting again.

[Keener98]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

In Lou's defense, the same mentality that's keeping Pie out of the lineup are also keeping Jock and Iz-sucksatbaseball-is out of the lineup.

 

Not really. The mentality that keeps Izturis and Jones on the bench is they are proven failure who offer nothing to the team now or in the future. While Pie is a kid who may have a future if he works through struggles.

 

Exactly, there is a big difference in sitting Pie because hes struggling, and sitting Izturis and Jones. They are both veterans with little chance of getting better, where as Pie is a young kid with alot of upside.

[BigSlick]

When is Lee going to serve his suspension, or was it dropped?

[jersey cubs fan]

Still no Pie.

 

Maybe we should send him back down.

 

If this little breather lasts through the break, then definitely.

 

Lou seems to think the bench time helped Riot - said his bat looked slow so he gave him a few days off. He is probably thinking the same thing will work with Pie.

 

The difference of course is Theriot doesn't really have much of a future, he's either going to stick as a utility guy or not. There's no need to try and get him over slumps by playing. Plus, he never sat 4 days in a row. He had a week where played every other day. Pie is pretty much the 25th man.

 

Theriot didn't start on Friday 22nd, Saturday 23rd, Sunday the 24th, Monday 25th, and Tuesday the 26th-so he sat 5 days in a row, and then he started 1 game, and then sat 2 more before starting the last 3 games now (including tonight).

 

Theriot had multiple at bats on June 21, 23, 25 and 27. He never sat out 2 games in a row. Pie has been used much more sparingly.

[Keener98]

When is Lee going to serve his suspension, or was it dropped?

 

I dont think his appeal is being heard till after the break now.

[jersey cubs fan]

When is Lee going to serve his suspension, or was it dropped?

 

You'll hear about it when it happens.

[CubmanPi]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

In Lou's defense, the same mentality that's keeping Pie out of the lineup are also keeping Jock and Iz-sucksatbaseball-is out of the lineup.

 

Not really. The mentality that keeps Izturis and Jones on the bench is they are proven failure who offer nothing to the team now or in the future. While Pie is a kid who may have a future if he works through struggles.

That would be the mentality of most people. If it were Lou's mentality, neither one of these guys would have started once this year. Lou's mentality is, he gave everyone a chance, and the people who aren't producing are taking some time on the bench. We all know Jones and Izturis are complete failures at all things baseball, Lou just had to see it for himself before benching them. (I'm just glad he got to the benching part.)

 

Lou gave Pie a chance, and Pie has struggled as well. It's the same mentality keeping Pie on the bench. Hopefully that part you said about Pie having a future and working through struggles comes back to the front of Lou's mind and gets Pie another chance where Izturis and Jones won't have one.

[Bruce Miles]

I have no problem sitting Pie with Aramis out of the lineup today. Felix is in a terrible slump and, right now, Angel is a better offensive player. However, I think Pie should be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

Pretty hard to get out of your slump, when you havent started in 4 days. Hes a young kid, and is going to have slumps like this, but that doesnt mean he should be relagated to Lous coffee getter.

In Lou's defense, the same mentality that's keeping Pie out of the lineup are also keeping Jock and Iz-sucksatbaseball-is out of the lineup.

 

Not really. The mentality that keeps Izturis and Jones on the bench is they are proven failure who offer nothing to the team now or in the future. While Pie is a kid who may have a future if he works through struggles.

 

Lou is trying to help Pie work through his struggles, only not in games. He's got him working on a "toe tap" move in the cage and in batting practice to keep him from "twisting" too much. Identifying and attempting to solve problems are things that weren't done here with young players the last few years.