Mark Buehrle Re-Signs (This Time for Real)

[davearm]

I'm not sure who he is but The Score is reporting that he and the Sox have agreed, in principle, to a 4 years/$50MM deal.

 

Buehrle would be crazy to sign for $50 million. Unless something horrible happens in the second half, he is probably going to get offers in the $75-$80 million range.

I had the same thought. Seems way too good to be true for the Sox.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not sure who he is but The Score is reporting that he and the Sox have agreed, in principle, to a 4 years/$50MM deal.

 

Buehrle would be crazy to sign for $50 million. Unless something horrible happens in the second half, he is probably going to get offers in the $75-$80 million range.

 

for 4 years?!?!?!?

[XZero771679666304]

I'm not sure who he is but The Score is reporting that he and the Sox have agreed, in principle, to a 4 years/$50MM deal.

 

Buehrle would be crazy to sign for $50 million. Unless something horrible happens in the second half, he is probably going to get offers in the $75-$80 million range.

 

for 4 years?!?!?!?

 

Not likely.

[PackLandVA]

Link???

[Larry Horse]

Shame on the Score.

 

Just reporting what their baseball sources told them. No different than Kaplan reporting last night that the Cubs had traded Jones to the Marlins.

[Roast]

Shame on the Score.

 

Just reporting what their baseball sources told them. No different than Kaplan reporting last night that the Cubs had traded Jones to the Marlins.

except that the score has always been very unreliable.

[soccer10k]

Dumb White Sox

http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/6542/20070627/buehrle_extension_near_in_chicago/

Chicago Sun-Times - Ken Williams' cell phone got a bit quieter Tuesday.

 

That's usually what happens when a team decides to pull its biggest bargaining chip off the trade table.

 

The Boston Red Sox, who had jumped out as the clear favorite to acquire White Sox left-hander Mark Buehrle during the weekend, have pulled out of the sweepstakes, according to one source. And not because the asking price of top minor-league prospects was too high or because they no longer coveted Buehrle's services, but because Buehrle is no longer on the trading block for the time being.

 

Why is this a dumb move?

[Larry Horse]

Shame on the Score.

 

Just reporting what their baseball sources told them. No different than Kaplan reporting last night that the Cubs had traded Jones to the Marlins.

except that the score has always been very unreliable.

 

So why the uproar? Take things with a grain of salt.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Dumb White Sox

http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/6542/20070627/buehrle_extension_near_in_chicago/

Chicago Sun-Times - Ken Williams' cell phone got a bit quieter Tuesday.

 

That's usually what happens when a team decides to pull its biggest bargaining chip off the trade table.

 

The Boston Red Sox, who had jumped out as the clear favorite to acquire White Sox left-hander Mark Buehrle during the weekend, have pulled out of the sweepstakes, according to one source. And not because the asking price of top minor-league prospects was too high or because they no longer coveted Buehrle's services, but because Buehrle is no longer on the trading block for the time being.

 

Why is this a dumb move?

They aren't going to be good again unless the rebuild. I would have brought in some young prospects for the future. This team is a failure.

[PackLandVA]

The score is wrong again- 2 breaking stories in 2 days, both wrong.

 

"Jeff Berry, the agent for Mark Buehrle, said in a telephone interview Wednesday afternoon that he was surprised by a published report that stated the team had resumed negotiations with the White Sox's left-handed ace and that a deal could be finalized by the end of the week.

 

"Nothing's going on," said Berry, who did acknowledge he was in the Tampa area. "Despite what's been [published].

 

"I'm not sure where those reports are coming from."

 

Berry said he hasn't spoken recently to Sox general manager Kenny Williams and said his client's status remains the same since the end of spring training -- in which any negotiations won't resume until after the season, when Buehrle becomes a free agent."

 

 

 

Where did this info come from????

[soccer10k]

Dumb White Sox

http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/6542/20070627/buehrle_extension_near_in_chicago/

Chicago Sun-Times - Ken Williams' cell phone got a bit quieter Tuesday.

 

That's usually what happens when a team decides to pull its biggest bargaining chip off the trade table.

 

The Boston Red Sox, who had jumped out as the clear favorite to acquire White Sox left-hander Mark Buehrle during the weekend, have pulled out of the sweepstakes, according to one source. And not because the asking price of top minor-league prospects was too high or because they no longer coveted Buehrle's services, but because Buehrle is no longer on the trading block for the time being.

 

Why is this a dumb move?

They aren't going to be good again unless the rebuild. I would have brought in some young prospects for the future. This team is a failure.

 

You don't have to get rid of every single good player to rebuild. Who? is and has been a good pitcher for his entire career. He had one below average year (2006 with a 93 ERA+) and one slightly above average year (2003 with a 108 ERA+) and the other 4.5 years (counting this year as a half year) as a starter he's been very good (126 ERA+ was his lowest of those years). He is a very good pitcher and if the White Sox can sign him to an extension of 4/$50M that would be a very good move especially when you consider that he would be getting $5.5M less than what Barry Zito got.

[jjgman21]

The score is wrong again- 2 breaking stories in 2 days, both wrong.

 

"Jeff Berry, the agent for Mark Buehrle, said in a telephone interview Wednesday afternoon that he was surprised by a published report that stated the team had resumed negotiations with the White Sox's left-handed ace and that a deal could be finalized by the end of the week.

 

"Nothing's going on," said Berry, who did acknowledge he was in the Tampa area. "Despite what's been [published].

 

"I'm not sure where those reports are coming from."

 

Berry said he hasn't spoken recently to Sox general manager Kenny Williams and said his client's status remains the same since the end of spring training -- in which any negotiations won't resume until after the season, when Buehrle becomes a free agent."

 

3 in two days. Theriot was never sent down. or was that what you were referring to and they didn't break Jones?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Damn, BoSox were gonna give up Clay Buchholz.

 

Apparently that was a rumor coming out of the White Sox to try to get more interest in Buehrle (forgot where I read that but I read that amidst all the Jacque Jones reading I was doing yesterday trying to find out why the trade was being held up).

 

I don't think they would have given up Bulcholz for a Buehrle as a rental. I would be shocked if they did.

 

FWIW.......

The Red Sox’ interest in Mark Buehrle is significant, but since they see him purely as a rental, they’re only willing to go so far. If the White Sox are determined to come out of a Buehrle deal with two (or more) can’t-miss prospects, count the Red Sox out.

 

Most baseball observers view the New York Mets as team most willing to pay — or overpay, as the case may be – for the lefty. GM Omar Minaya has a mandate to win now and the Mets’ farm system is stocked with players that would intrigue Kenny Williams.

 

The Sox, by the way, weren’t happy with Williams on Sunday for his response to a question about whether Buehrle was going to be dealt to Boston. “Not today.” said Williams, hinting that a trade might not be far away.

 

Williams was undoubtedly trying to draw other teams into the bidding and create a sense of urgency. But despite the presence of Red Sox special assistant Allard Baird at Buehrle’s last start, the two teams aren’t close to getting something done.

 

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_sox26_06-26-07_N765AL9.3680c04.html

[seanimal]

That deal would make little sense for the Sox, IMO. Granted, you get him at a discount, but you're ruining the chance of getting any productive offense via trade this year if you lock Buerhle up, and offense is what that team needs, not pitching.

I don't care if your record is 0-100 and you're scoring a half a run a game, you don't trade a talent like Buehrle for the mediocre value the Sox could've received in trade if Buehrle's willing to extend at such a discount rate.

 

Again, pitching really isn't the problem for the White Sox. It's not spectacular, but it's decent. The White Sox have a decent amount of arms in the pipeline that they can afford to trade away a guy like Buerhle. And why assume that what they get back would be mediocre? I never said that a trade would for offense would 'fix' their offense, but it would probably improve it, which is what they need, and I don't doubt that they can do such a thing by trading Buerhle. Now, if you can shop Vazquez or Contreras and get essentially what you would for Buerhle, while still locking up the latter to an extension, then, obviously that would be the ideal scenario, or close to the ideal scenario. But that's a big 'if', and Buerhle seems to be a hot commodity willing to command some decent bats in return.

[TruffleShuffle]

buchholz isn't untouchable, but if they deal him, they're going to want somebody better than buehrle. And I'm not saying Buehrle is bad, but you don't deal a cheap, good, young pitcher like Buchholz for a guy who's no better than a #3 at this stage of his career.

[Derwood]

why haven't these threads been merged?

[Guest]

Buchholz is arguably the best pitching prospect in the minors, Boston better get a lot for him if they trade him.

[jjgman21]

Buchholz is arguably the best pitching prospect in the minors, Boston better get a lot for him if they trade him.

 

now I don't know much about him, but it seems to me that if you are going to characterize him as 'best in the minors' it means he's pretty close. thus, why trade him for another starting pitcher? just bring him up.

[jjgman21]

buchholz isn't untouchable, but if they deal him, they're going to want somebody better than buehrle. And I'm not saying Buehrle is bad, but you don't deal a cheap, good, young pitcher like Buchholz for a guy who's no better than a #3 at this stage of his career.

 

where do I find a pitching staff where the #3 is a 28 y.o. with a 134 ERA+?

 

you're really stretching. I can't stand the White Sox, or Who?, but you're selling him way short here.

 

Rich Hill is exactly one year younger and currently has an ERA+ of 140. is he no better than a #3 at this stage of his career?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Buchholz is arguably the best pitching prospect in the minors, Boston better get a lot for him if they trade him.

 

now I don't know much about him, but it seems to me that if you are going to characterize him as 'best in the minors' it means he's pretty close. thus, why trade him for another starting pitcher? just bring him up.

 

He is still only in AA. So my guess is they want to make sure they don't rush him. Although, it seems that he would atleast be ready for AAA by now.

[Guest]

Buchholz is arguably the best pitching prospect in the minors, Boston better get a lot for him if they trade him.

 

now I don't know much about him, but it seems to me that if you are going to characterize him as 'best in the minors' it means he's pretty close. thus, why trade him for another starting pitcher? just bring him up.

 

He is still only in AA. So my guess is they want to make sure they don't rush him. Although, it seems that he would atleast be ready for AAA by now.

 

Exactly. He could probably come up (skipping AAA) and be ok, but he'd be best served in the minors for the rest of this season. He's definitely ready for AAA.

[sunnydoo]

Rotoworld has just updated the Buerhle situation.

 

The sides have come to agreement on the financials and other perks. However, one issue is holding the extension up: a no-trade clause. Buerhle doesnt go 10-5 until mid 2010 and wants a guarantee from 2008 to mid 2010. Williams doesnt want to give it to him.

[soccer10k]

Rotoworld has just updated the Buerhle situation.

 

The sides have come to agreement on the financials and other perks. However, one issue is holding the extension up: a no-trade clause. Buerhle doesnt go 10-5 until mid 2010 and wants a guarantee from 2008 to mid 2010. Williams doesnt want to give it to him.

 

This is just stupid. Why would you want to sign a guy - a very good player, to boot - to a four year deal and then trade him in the first couple years of his deal? I could understand not wanting to give it to him for the last couple of years (if that was possible but in this case it obviously isn't) but not for the first year or two. If you plan on trading him, either trade him now or just let him walk at the end of the year.

[PackLandVA]

Isn't having him under contract for a few years much more attractive to a pursuing team as opposed to having him be available for FA at season's end.

 

I think the Sox want to sign him in the event they don't get a "can't refuse" offer. Then at least he's there next year. And if they continue to suck next year and really need to rebuild/retool, he again can be thrown out there for any willing suitors.

[soccer10k]

Isn't having him under contract for a few years much more attractive to a pursuing team as opposed to having him be available for FA at season's end.

 

I think the Sox want to sign him in the event they don't get a "can't refuse" offer. Then at least he's there next year. And if they continue to suck next year and really need to rebuild/retool, he again can be thrown out there for any willing suitors.

 

Not necessarily. If he's under contract you're going to have to give up a hell of a lot more to get him. It might cost you more money to sign him as a free agent but you aren't going to have to give up the prospects/players required to get that player. And for a team with a ton of money (Boston or both New York teams) I would think losing your prospects matters a lot more a couple million each year.