Jacque Jones Deal to Marlins is Off Because of Hendry

[cubfan1955]

Well, at least Hendry's unwilling to get swindled, I guess.

This is progress. He didn't used to mind getting swindled. See Pierre, Juan.

[killthegoat06]

I thought it was Zell that pulled the plug, not Hendry?

[Sarcastic]

I thought it was Zell that pulled the plug, not Hendry?

 

There are conflicting reports. Hendry's own comments ommit any involvement of Zell, and it seems unlikely that the owner of the Trib would personally reject a trade over a matter of a few million dollars.

[RynoRules]

I thought it was Zell that pulled the plug, not Hendry?

 

There are conflicting reports. Hendry's own comments ommit any involvement of Zell, and it seems unlikely that the owner of the Trib would personally reject a trade over a matter of a few million dollars.

 

I could envision a scenario where Zell told McDonough and Hendry, "Sure, do the deal. But then don't expect me to approve any deadline aquisitions. You have an allowance and you will have spent it."

[LuvChicagoSports]

I thought it was Zell that pulled the plug, not Hendry?

 

There are conflicting reports. Hendry's own comments ommit any involvement of Zell, and it seems unlikely that the owner of the Trib would personally reject a trade over a matter of a few million dollars.

 

I could envision a scenario where Zell told McDonough and Hendry, "Sure, do the deal. But then don't expect me to approve any deadline aquisitions. You have an allowance and you will have spent it."

 

It would have to be much more indirect than that, because Zell cannot have any direct influence in the operation of the Cubs. Since he is a partial owner of the White Sox, he cannot influence anything that the Cubs do directly. I really think baseball should have said that the Tribune must sell the Cubs separately and that Zell cannot have anything to do with it because this could get pretty messy and he has no interest in protecting the Cubs in the transaction.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I thought it was Zell that pulled the plug, not Hendry?

 

There are conflicting reports. Hendry's own comments ommit any involvement of Zell, and it seems unlikely that the owner of the Trib would personally reject a trade over a matter of a few million dollars.

 

I could envision a scenario where Zell told McDonough and Hendry, "Sure, do the deal. But then don't expect me to approve any deadline aquisitions. You have an allowance and you will have spent it."

 

That doesn't make sense though. The proposed deal doesn't add any money. Loses 600k actually.

[RedIvyCub]

i, just like most of you, really don't see how it is possible that zell was involved in this decision...because it doesn't make sense, and shouldn't make sense to anyone else...

 

but why in the hell was it reported in the first place? where is our batman? bruce miles...come to us in our time of need!

 

Based on the time of your post, Bruce was already at the park for this afternoon's game.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In the game thread, Bruce just said it wasn't Zell that nixed the deal.

[killthegoat06]

Someone who can should fix the thread title.

[RedIvyCub]

In the game thread, Bruce just said it wasn't Zell that nixed the deal.

 

Everyone is missing the obvious here IMHO. Zell is only on the Tribune board of directors at the moment since the deal has not completely closed. Ever consider that this came from Dennis FitzSimons since he is the top dog at Tribune?

 

With Zell's interest in the Sox, the Cubs will be sold by Tribune before the deal is complete of his purchase of the Tribune.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In the game thread, Bruce just said it wasn't Zell that nixed the deal.

 

Everyone is missing the obvious here IMHO. Zell is only on the Tribune board of directors at the moment since the deal has not completely closed. Ever consider that this came from Dennis FitzSimons since he is the top dog at Tribune?

 

With Zell's interest in the Sox, the Cubs will be sold by Tribune before the deal is complete of his purchase of the Tribune.

 

Are you suggesting that you have knowledge that it did come from FitzSimons or are you simply speculating?

[E.J.]

In the game thread, Bruce just said it wasn't Zell that nixed the deal.

 

Everyone is missing the obvious here IMHO. Zell is only on the Tribune board of directors at the moment since the deal has not completely closed. Ever consider that this came from Dennis FitzSimons since he is the top dog at Tribune?

 

With Zell's interest in the Sox, the Cubs will be sold by Tribune before the deal is complete of his purchase of the Tribune.

 

Are you suggesting that you have knowledge that it did come from FitzSimons or are you simply speculating?

 

Sounds like he's just speculating to me.

[Soriano12]

I guess we will have to live with a 5 Million dollar PH hitter for now.

 

Oh well, Pie and Pagan make next to nothing, so I guess it evens out?

 

:P

[NCCubFan]

With Zell's interest in the Sox, the Cubs will be sold by Tribune before the deal is complete of his purchase of the Tribune.

That was my understanding of how it would work all along, that the Trib would sell the Cubs before Zell takes over the Trib rather than Zell selling the team afterwards. I actually think it would HAVE to work that way unless Zell actually gets approved as an owner by MLB.

[davearm]

Through this entire ordeal, I've yet to hear one good reason why any non-baseball person would be sticking their nose in this, be it Zell or Fitzsimmons or any other bean counter-type within the Trib or the Cubs organization.

 

Assuming Hendry can't get anyone to take a chunk of the salary as a condition of a trade, the Cubs are going to be paying ~$7M to Jones this year and next, regardess of whether he's actually playing for the Cubs or not. From an accounting perspective, the whole money issue is basically a wash, because that cost is sunk.

 

So all that's left to determine is if it's advantageous from a baseball perspective to have Jones around, or if it's better to have him gone and replaced by a league-min guy from the minors. Why anyone above Hendry would try and influence that choice is beyond me.

 

And why Bud Selig would give a rat's patootie is beyond me, too.

 

All the conspiracy theories are interesting, but the only explanation that makes sense is the one offered by Hendry, namely that he himself nixed the deal simply because it wasn't a good baseball move.

[bukie]

I guess we will have to live with a 5 Million dollar PH hitter for now.

 

Oh well, Pie and Pagan make next to nothing, so I guess it evens out?

 

:P

 

I look at it as they are paying 5 million whether or not he plays, so it doesn't hurt them any more to play a better player in his place.

[USSoccer]

 

All the conspiracy theories are interesting, but the only explanation that makes sense is the one offered by Hendry, namely that he himself nixed the deal simply because it wasn't a good baseball move.

 

That's essentially how I feel, and kudos for Hendry for not compounding the error of signing Jones by making a poor deal.

[Larry Horse]

 

All the conspiracy theories are interesting, but the only explanation that makes sense is the one offered by Hendry, namely that he himself nixed the deal simply because it wasn't a good baseball move.

 

That's essentially how I feel, and kudos for Hendry for not compounding the error of signing Jones by making a poor deal.

 

No way Hendry nixed this deal. Piniella wanted Barrett gone, Hendry traded him. Piniella wants Jones gone, Hendry tried but no doubt someone stepped in.

 

I heard Dave Van Dyck say that he thinks the Commissioner's Office played a part. Anything over 1 mil has to be approved by them. He also mentioned they haven't been happy with the Cubs since their offseason spending spree.

 

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there is no way Hendry pulled out of this deal. Also interesting that both Hendry and McDounough have said they will have no salary constraints trying to make this club better. So if Selig's boys didn't get involved, they've got some explaining to do, because this was reported as a done deal by none other than the flagship.

[USSoccer]

 

All the conspiracy theories are interesting, but the only explanation that makes sense is the one offered by Hendry, namely that he himself nixed the deal simply because it wasn't a good baseball move.

 

That's essentially how I feel, and kudos for Hendry for not compounding the error of signing Jones by making a poor deal.

 

No way Hendry nixed this deal. Piniella wanted Barrett gone, Hendry traded him. Piniella wants Jones gone, Hendry tried but no doubt someone stepped in.

 

I heard Dave Van Dyck say that he thinks the Commissioner's Office played a part. Anything over 1 mil has to be approved by them. He also mentioned they haven't been happy with the Cubs since their offseason spending spree.

 

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there is no way Hendry pulled out of this deal. Also interesting that both Hendry and McDounough have said they will have no salary constraints trying to make this club better. So if Selig's boys didn't get involved, they've got some explaining to do, because this was reported as a done deal by none other than the flagship.

 

Yeah, but do you buy the Zell stuff?

[jjgman21]

shouldn't the thread title reflect what we know, not the opinion of the person who changed the thread title?

 

 

Just call it "deal to the Marlins off." no Zell, no Hendry. if people want to read and form their own opinion, fantastic, but we have no idea what transpired.

[DurbanJer]

shouldn't the thread title reflect what we know, not the opinion of the person who changed the thread title?

 

 

Just call it "deal to the Marlins off." no Zell, no Hendry. if people want to read and form their own opinion, fantastic, but we have no idea what transpired.

 

Guys, Bruce Miles - perhaps our most respected source on this board - is where we got the info that Zell had nothing to do with the deal being canceled and that it was indeed Hendry pulling out.

[wilk]

shouldn't the thread title reflect what we know, not the opinion of the person who changed the thread title?

 

 

Just call it "deal to the Marlins off." no Zell, no Hendry. if people want to read and form their own opinion, fantastic, but we have no idea what transpired.

 

Guys, Bruce Miles - perhaps our most respected source on this board - is where we got the info that Zell had nothing to do with the deal being canceled and that it was indeed Hendry pulling out.

 

Then I wonder why Bruce Miles didn't use the headline "Deal off because of Hendry." Or, "Because of Hendry, Jones still a Cub." Odd that it's not.

[Sarcastic]

shouldn't the thread title reflect what we know, not the opinion of the person who changed the thread title?

 

 

Just call it "deal to the Marlins off." no Zell, no Hendry. if people want to read and form their own opinion, fantastic, but we have no idea what transpired.

 

Guys, Bruce Miles - perhaps our most respected source on this board - is where we got the info that Zell had nothing to do with the deal being canceled and that it was indeed Hendry pulling out.

 

Then I wonder why Bruce Miles didn't use the headline "Deal off because of Hendry." Or, "Because of Hendry, Jones still a Cub." Odd that it's not.

 

Reporters don't write headlines, editors write healdines, and the editors didn't put Hendry in the headline because he is not the critical part of the article from a news angle. He specifically said in the game thread that Zell did not interefere, and that he felt the main reason the deal did not get done was because of Hendry. You can check it out for yourself if you like.

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Uh, is there any point to this thread anymore? I look forward to the next Jacque trade rumor in hopes that this thread gets canned.

[Guancous]

Is anyone really shattered this trade didn't go through? The only difference is that Jones takes up a roster spot instead of a low-A player. Luckily Pie and Pagan are playing well so Jones can pinch run.