The Fight...Part #3

[macuser2]

Spoken like a true English teacher. :D (j/k)

 

Meh. I was pissed, and made some errors myself. But I cheated and went back an corrected most of them.

[circlecitycub]

I think it could also be possible that Lee's nerves are very thin these days. The health troubles with his daughter could really be eating him up inside. Pile on the losing and the lack of power and he may just be ready to pull his hair out.

[Guest]

• Both Lee and Young were questioned after the game about who said what to whom and what precisely set off the melée. I have no doubt. I had an unobstructed view of Young’s crotch and he grabbed it in a most provocative and pointed way, immediately after which the fireworks began.

 

http://mvn.com/mlb-cubs/2007/06/18/my-afternoon-in-the-middle-of-a-baseball-brawl/#more-868

[moorecg]

Any word on when we're supposed to hear what DLee will get for this?

[Faceman]

 

I just watched it again in Cubs.com and don't see what the big deal was. He definitely did not "moonwalk", so whoever said he did was either just exaggerating or doesn't know what a moonwalk is. He honesly didn't even stop and watch it, he was moving down the first base line the whole time it was in the air, just walking then running backward about half way down then running with his head down the rest of the way around the bases. It is not worse than any other sure home run. Guys never hit the ball and just run unless the HR is in doubt. ARam does the toss of the bat and pose, even Jacque Jones does his little bat flip and usually watches for a second or two.

 

This did not stand out to you? I think you are being a little homerish, he ran to the base backwards. It does not compare to a bat flip, Sammy's hop, whatever.

[Keener98]

Ah yes, good thing we have the Cards fan to show up and tell us what is and isnt showboating. Was it showboating, yes. Have other players showboated just as bad, with nothing being said about it? Yes.

 

Whats the difference of running to the base backward, and walking half way to first base admiring your shot? You should know first hand about that one.

[Omar]

I keep watching the fight over and over again... and I keep wondering... What the hell is Jake Peavy doing? He just hugs Lee from behind, and stays there until they fall. Then I think I see Cubs kicked Peavy.

 

Anyone have an explanation?

[Keener98]

I keep watching the fight over and over again... and I keep wondering... What the hell is Jake Peavy doing? He just hugs Lee from behind, and stays there until they fall. Then I think I see Cubs kicked Peavy.

 

Anyone have an explanation?

 

Peavy is a punk ass is the explanation. He was the first one out of the dugout and jumps on Lees back. I laugh my ass off everytime I see Perry come out and take him down.

[Faceman]

Ah yes, good thing we have the Cards fan to show up and tell us what is and isnt showboating. Was it showboating, yes. Have other players showboated just as bad, with nothing being said about it? Yes.

 

Whats the difference of running to the base backward, and walking half way to first base admiring your shot? You should know first hand about that one.

 

Yep - we saw Sammy's hop quite often during the glory years.

 

And Albert is the worst. I don't know why nobody does anything to him.

 

Sorry Keener for adding another perspective to this thread full of, well, other perspectives.

[BigbadB]

Ah yes, good thing we have the Cards fan to show up and tell us what is and isnt showboating. Was it showboating, yes. Have other players showboated just as bad, with nothing being said about it? Yes.

 

Whats the difference of running to the base backward, and walking half way to first base admiring your shot? You should know first hand about that one.

 

It isn't just Cardinals fans that are saying it was showboating. I've said it as well. Yes, guys showboat all the time. And I'd say that everytime someone does it, you risk you or one of your teammates getting thrown at. Young was wrong to throw it where he did, but if Soriano just runs the bases, Lee isn't tossed for fighting.

 

Showboating creates tension and anomosity. You're welcome to do it, but be prepared for consequences.

 

I don't really see it as being much different than sticking your finger in a pot of boiling water. You can try it, but you're probably going to get burned.

 

Pujols is guilty of admiring his home runs. Gary Bennett (when he was with San Diego) and Pujols had a big blow up a few years back when Pujols purposely took out the starting catcher (Ramon Hernandez?) unnecessarily.

 

Every team has their showboats and everytime they pull a stunt, there is a high probability of retaliation.

 

What gets overlooked here is that Soriano's actions could have done even more damage. What if Lee does get hit in the head there? Young was in the wrong for what he did, no doubt. But, Young wouldn't have thrown at Lee at all if Soriano wasn't showing up Wells the day before.

 

Who exactly is the player trying to cater to when they trot backwards or stand there and admire the shot? The fan? Personally, I just like the fact the ball went over the fence. Doesn't really matter to me how he gets around the bases, it's a home run regardless. His manager and/or his teammates? They've seen home runs everyday of their playing careers, another one where you stand there waiting for a show of appreciation from your teammates shouldn't create that much of a rise?

 

A guy really has zero reason to stand there and watch their home run. That's what ESPN is for. That's what the big SuperTron screen in most parks is for.

 

The only real reaction one should expect from admiring your shot or showboating is a negative reaction from the other team. It's just not professional to show up the opponent. And the opposing team will likely resort to something unprofessional in return to make their point.

[Keener98]

Ah yes, good thing we have the Cards fan to show up and tell us what is and isnt showboating. Was it showboating, yes. Have other players showboated just as bad, with nothing being said about it? Yes.

 

Whats the difference of running to the base backward, and walking half way to first base admiring your shot? You should know first hand about that one.

 

Yep - we saw Sammy's hop quite often during the glory years.

 

And Albert is the worst. I don't know why nobody does anything to him.

 

Sorry Keener for adding another perspective to this thread full of, well, other perspectives.

 

Sorry, I just have to many Cards fans friends that jump all over everybody else for showboating but think what Albert does is nothing. You admit to it so again Ill apologize. But I will say this, Sammys hop to me is nowhere near as bad as doing what Soriano did, or what Albert does. Sammys hop lasted for a split second, where as the others soak it up for quite a bit longer.

[Keener98]

Ah yes, good thing we have the Cards fan to show up and tell us what is and isnt showboating. Was it showboating, yes. Have other players showboated just as bad, with nothing being said about it? Yes.

 

Whats the difference of running to the base backward, and walking half way to first base admiring your shot? You should know first hand about that one.

 

It isn't just Cardinals fans that are saying it was showboating. I've said it as well. Yes, guys showboat all the time. And I'd say that everytime someone does it, you risk you or one of your teammates getting thrown at. Young was wrong to throw it where he did, but if Soriano just runs the bases, Lee isn't tossed for fighting.

 

Showboating creates tension and anomosity. You're welcome to do it, but be prepared for consequences.

 

I don't really see it as being much different than sticking your finger in a pot of boiling water. You can try it, but you're probably going to get burned.

 

Pujols is guilty of admiring his home runs. Gary Bennett (when he was with San Diego) and Pujols had a big blow up a few years back when Pujols purposely took out the starting catcher (Ramon Hernandez?) unnecessarily.

 

Every team has their showboats and everytime they pull a stunt, there is a high probability of retaliation.

 

What gets overlooked here is that Soriano's actions could have done even more damage. What if Lee does get hit in the head there? Young was in the wrong for what he did, no doubt. But, Young wouldn't have thrown at Lee at all if Soriano wasn't showing up Wells the day before.

 

Who exactly is the player trying to cater to when they trot backwards or stand there and admire the shot? The fan? Personally, I just like the fact the ball went over the fence. Doesn't really matter to me how he gets around the bases, it's a home run regardless. His manager and/or his teammates? They've seen home runs everyday of their playing careers, another one where you stand there waiting for a show of appreciation from your teammates shouldn't create that much of a rise?

 

A guy really has zero reason to stand there and watch their home run. That's what ESPN is for. That's what the big SuperTron screen in most parks is for.

 

The only real reaction one should expect from admiring your shot or showboating is a negative reaction from the other team. It's just not professional to show up the opponent. And the opposing team will likely resort to something unprofessional in return to make their point.

 

I said it was showboating. I just dont see the difference of what Soriano did, and numerous other sluggers do. Thats why I think it was BS for the Padres to get pissed. Do they say that crap after everybody else showboats against them? I highly doubt it.

[BigbadB]

I think guys who develop a home run ritual may receive an exemption from a wrath from the opponent, as long as the other team doesn't find it all that offensive.. I don't really recall too many people getting upset with the Sammy hop.

[jersey cubs fan]

I said it was showboating. I just dont see the difference of what Soriano did, and numerous other sluggers do. Thats why I think it was BS for the Padres to get pissed. Do they say that crap after everybody else showboats against them? I highly doubt it.

 

I think the difference is whether or not it's a routine. Admiring a HR for a few steps everytime is showboating, but if you take extra long one time with some other theatrics, thats' showing somebody up.

[Pushfrog98]

I haven't read all the pages in this thread, but am I the only one who at first thought Soriano was doing the "Stay fair... stay fair... stay fair" dance?

[jersey cubs fan]

I haven't read all the pages in this thread, but am I the only one who at first thought Soriano was doing the "Stay fair... stay fair... stay fair" dance?

 

At first, yes, but that's only because that is how somebody described it before I saw it. But it was fair by so much that there's no way that was his intention.

[Keener98]

I said it was showboating. I just dont see the difference of what Soriano did, and numerous other sluggers do. Thats why I think it was BS for the Padres to get pissed. Do they say that crap after everybody else showboats against them? I highly doubt it.

 

I think the difference is whether or not it's a routine. Admiring a HR for a few steps everytime is showboating, but if you take extra long one time with some other theatrics, thats' showing somebody up.

 

Well Soriano may not do the backpeddaling to first base everytime, but he does do something basically everytime. He just changes it up from HR to HR lol, hes a little more creative I guess.

[Faceman]

Ah yes, good thing we have the Cards fan to show up and tell us what is and isnt showboating. Was it showboating, yes. Have other players showboated just as bad, with nothing being said about it? Yes.

 

Whats the difference of running to the base backward, and walking half way to first base admiring your shot? You should know first hand about that one.

 

Yep - we saw Sammy's hop quite often during the glory years.

 

And Albert is the worst. I don't know why nobody does anything to him.

 

Sorry Keener for adding another perspective to this thread full of, well, other perspectives.

 

Sorry, I just have to many Cards fans friends that jump all over everybody else for showboating but think what Albert does is nothing. You admit to it so again Ill apologize. But I will say this, Sammys hop to me is nowhere near as bad as doing what Soriano did, or what Albert does. Sammys hop lasted for a split second, where as the others soak it up for quite a bit longer.

 

No problem. I used to live in the middle of this rivalry (C-U) and know what that is like.

 

Albert has been real surly like that ever since the Lidge homer.

 

That's the funny thing about all these - I don't think anyone is really trying to show anybody up, Soriano, Sosa, even Albert. Especially Soriano. What is ok and not ok in baseball is pretty much clear as mud sometimes. But I've never seen anybody do what Soriano did, and that is probably why this happened.

 

If Young went at Lee's head / wrist - that is totally uncalled for.

[Soul]

Ah yes, good thing we have the Cards fan to show up and tell us what is and isnt showboating. Was it showboating, yes. Have other players showboated just as bad, with nothing being said about it? Yes.

 

Whats the difference of running to the base backward, and walking half way to first base admiring your shot? You should know first hand about that one.

 

It isn't just Cardinals fans that are saying it was showboating. I've said it as well. Yes, guys showboat all the time. And I'd say that everytime someone does it, you risk you or one of your teammates getting thrown at. Young was wrong to throw it where he did, but if Soriano just runs the bases, Lee isn't tossed for fighting.

 

Showboating creates tension and anomosity. You're welcome to do it, but be prepared for consequences.

 

I don't really see it as being much different than sticking your finger in a pot of boiling water. You can try it, but you're probably going to get burned.

 

Pujols is guilty of admiring his home runs. Gary Bennett (when he was with San Diego) and Pujols had a big blow up a few years back when Pujols purposely took out the starting catcher (Ramon Hernandez?) unnecessarily.

 

Every team has their showboats and everytime they pull a stunt, there is a high probability of retaliation.

 

What gets overlooked here is that Soriano's actions could have done even more damage. What if Lee does get hit in the head there? Young was in the wrong for what he did, no doubt. But, Young wouldn't have thrown at Lee at all if Soriano wasn't showing up Wells the day before.

 

Who exactly is the player trying to cater to when they trot backwards or stand there and admire the shot? The fan? Personally, I just like the fact the ball went over the fence. Doesn't really matter to me how he gets around the bases, it's a home run regardless. His manager and/or his teammates? They've seen home runs everyday of their playing careers, another one where you stand there waiting for a show of appreciation from your teammates shouldn't create that much of a rise?

 

A guy really has zero reason to stand there and watch their home run. That's what ESPN is for. That's what the big SuperTron screen in most parks is for.

 

The only real reaction one should expect from admiring your shot or showboating is a negative reaction from the other team. It's just not professional to show up the opponent. And the opposing team will likely resort to something unprofessional in return to make their point.

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It is showboating, and there should be consequences, but throwing at another player's head is out of bounds. Drill Sori in the ribs if you want. That's appropriate, and more in line with what happens all the time.

 

Throwing at the head is never OK, never tolerated, and never appropriate retaliation for a little showboating.

 

For the record, I'd like to see Soriano just run the damn bases, too.

[BigbadB]

It is showboating, and there should be consequences, but throwing at another player's head is out of bounds. Drill Sori in the ribs if you want. That's appropriate, and more in line with what happens all the time.

 

Throwing at the head is never OK, never tolerated, and never appropriate retaliation for a little showboating.

 

For the record, I'd like to see Soriano just run the damn bases, too.

 

I'm in total agreement with you that it is never okay to throw at a guy's head. Hit him in the thigh, the ribs, the behind or just waste level or below.

 

I would have retaliated the same way as Lee. Dude was messing with his livelihood and acting like a jerk about it.

[swordsman]

I'm sorry if this was posted elsewhere but do we have confirmation of what Young said that set off Lee like that?

 

I have heard two different accounts.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

It is showboating, and there should be consequences, but throwing at another player's head is out of bounds. Drill Sori in the ribs if you want. That's appropriate, and more in line with what happens all the time.

 

Throwing at the head is never OK, never tolerated, and never appropriate retaliation for a little showboating.

 

For the record, I'd like to see Soriano just run the damn bases, too.

 

I'm in total agreement with you that it is never okay to throw at a guy's head. Hit him in the thigh, the ribs, the behind or just waste level or below.

 

I would have retaliated the same way as Lee. Dude was messing with his livelihood and acting like a jerk about it.

 

I missed the entire series, and my ESPN ban is not allowing me to get caught up very quickly. Who was showboating, Soriano?

[imb]

I'm sorry if this was posted elsewhere but do we have confirmation of what Young said that set off Lee like that?

 

I have heard two different accounts.

 

 

That's a better angle. You can clearly read Young say some real inflammatory stuff.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm sorry if this was posted elsewhere but do we have confirmation of what Young said that set off Lee like that?

 

I have heard two different accounts.

 

 

That's a better angle. You can clearly read Young say some real inflammatory stuff.

 

why must you love Rick Astley so much?

[Omar]

I'm sorry if this was posted elsewhere but do we have confirmation of what Young said that set off Lee like that?

 

I have heard two different accounts.

 

 

That's a better angle. You can clearly read Young say some real inflammatory stuff.

 

why must you love Rick Astley so much?

 

He looks like Conan O'Brien.