The Fight...Part #3

[Abe Frohman]

F that. If he threw at DLee's head, he deserves a country ass whippin.

[98navigator]

Perry wasn't sure why he was tossed.

 

"I was trying to pull Peavy off Derrek Lee," Perry said. "[Peavy] was on [Lee's] back. After that, I was told I was thrown out of the game. I have no idea why. I was trying to break up the fight.

 

"I didn't do anything, I didn't throw a punch. I was just trying to break up a fight. I was trying to separate Peavy. Peavy jumped on Derrek's back, and the next thing I knew, when everything had stopped, I was ejected. I was as shocked as anybody that I was thrown out of the game."

 

Davis said the umpires noticed Peavy and Perry during the scuffling.

 

"They were just more aggressive than some of the others," Davis said. "We just try to play policemen as much as we can in that instance, stop things from escalating any further. Those were two of those people we thought were a lot more aggressive than some of the others."

 

Young also had started to warm up once the dust settled, and Lee had headed to the dugout. He didn't know he'd been tossed.

 

"We knew Young was going to be ejected because he had thrown punches," Davis said. "It's an automatic ejection for fighting."

 

Obviously, Peavy was throwing punches in the pile and Perry must have been getting in his own shots as well (after the take down).

 

Cubs.com

[98navigator]

I doubt Hill or Maddux will play beanball tomorrow. Hill might, but not Maddux.

 

If it happens, expect it from a reliever.

 

 

prediction time, and I'm getting pretty good at it throughout these things.

 

Hill loses his fastball up and in to lefties all the time and his curveball bounces near the feet of righties all the time. warnings will be issued before the game starts, at some point a fastball will get away from Hill up and in to a lefty, or a curveball in the dirt will nip a Padre toe, and he will be ejected.

 

I doubt anyone will be ejected for nipping a toe. The umps have the discretion to not toss anyone out even after warnings are given. It will probably impact the pitcher's ability to go inside however.

[slieb85]

I can't believe anyone would be upset with Lee. A guy is messing with his livelihood. He needs to send a message.

 

If you want to get upset with someone, get upset with Soriano. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's immature and just plain stupid to show up a pitcher after hitting a home run.

 

It was Soriano's actions that caused the intentional beaning of Lee. And this is not the first time benches have cleared over some guy standing there admiring his home run.

 

The thing that torques me about standing there admiring a home run is that anyone in a major league uniform (except maybe Juan Pierre) can actually hit a home run. Home runs are hit in just about every game. Sometimes many home runs are hit per game. Sure, there fun. But, what's the point of standing there admiring it.

 

Should Mike Fontenot stand there and admire his home runs? If not, why should Soriano stand there and watch his (or should I saw trot backwards, which is basically the same thing). Is Soriano's home run that much more special because he makes about 18m a year more than Fontenot?

 

Fact: Standing there watching your home run is about the biggest insult you can hand to the opposing pitcher on the mound. As long as you don't mind the retaliation that comes with insulting the pitcher, then I suppose one should continue showing their ass to the opposing pitcher.

 

But, in this case, Soriano's actions ended up getting Lee a suspension. I hope he thinks it was worth it.

 

Rewind. Soriano hits his home run and runs the bases like a mature and professional baseball player. Fast forward. Derek Lee maybe gets the game winning hit in today's game, and is not at risk of missing future games because of one his own teammates actions.

 

I haven't read pas this so maybe this has been addresssed, but you can't be one bit mad at sori if your wells or peavy or young or mad dog or anyone. THE GUY TURNED ON A PITCH THAT ELECTRIFIED THE HOME CROWD IN A GAME THE CUBS DESPERATELY WANTED TO WIN AND HAD TO COME FROM BEHIND TO DO SO. I don't care what peavy or brenly says if Wells doesn't wanna get shown up like that don't let the new guy (very well paid) hit a HR off you to bring the cubs right back in it. Think how tense every cubs series has been cause they've all been really close and every F*in win counts no matter if it's in april, june, september, ONE WIN IS ONE F*In WIN! I'm so sick and tired of pitchers getting sick of hitters showing them up (how many pitchers have said this about manny's 18 steps before he hits a stride gay ass?) Peavy is part to blame, but most of the blame lies on Young for throwin up and in to a guy like lee.

[chuckywang]

What's lost in this whole thing is that both Derrek Lee and Chris Young were basketball players: Lee was recruited by Dean Smith and Young played at Princeton.

[C.C.]

What's lost in this whole thing is that both Derrek Lee and Chris Young were basketball players: Lee was recruited by Dean Smith and Young played at Princeton.

 

And they fight like B-Ball players...

[C.C.]

In times like this I'm pissed we don't have The Farns.

[Schwarber Fan]

I think there is gonna be an unintentional beanball today (with the Cubs luck, probably by Hill), and it's going to get ugly again.

[CubColtPacer]

My only thoughts on this issue are this:

 

Those of you who have called Lee an idiot for doing what he did have lost your grip on reality.

 

He just saw a pitch that was somewhere in the vicinity of 80-90mph thrown at his head and then had the same pitcher tell him (as seems to be the general consensus) that he's going to do it again. I would have punched him too. At that point in time, I don't care who you are, you're going to lose control and start swinging.

 

There is no way that you can expect ANYONE to be able to keep their calm and keep the teams best interests in mind while in the situation Lee was in today. Lee is only human, all be it one of the best.

 

 

 

Michael Jordan did not punch Danny Ferry. he never punched any Piston, he never punched any Knick, he never punched anyone on the Heat. he never punched anyone. no matter how hard they hit him, no matter how many times they hammered him in mid-air, and trashed talked about it afterwords, he didn't punch them back, no matter how many times it was deserved.

 

you know what he did? he had Stan Livingston and Will Purdue and Scott Williams take care of the dirty work for him. don't sit there and tell me that adult human males are incapable of showing restraint in that situation and that in so doing it was keeping the teams best interest in mind.

 

I understand your point, but Jordan did punch someone-Reggie Miller :D In fact, while Jordan put him in a headlock and punched him multiple times, the referees continued to be afraid of Jordan by ejecting Reggie and allowing Jordan to stay in the game (1993). After a public outcry, the NBA suspended Jordan for 1 game, and didn't suspend Reggie (since he really wasn't fighting because Jordan had him in a headlock). I think that's the first and only time I've ever heard that happen-a fight in a game, only one person gets ejected, and the person who did not get ejected is the only one who is suspended.

[BigbadB]

I haven't read pas this so maybe this has been addresssed, but you can't be one bit mad at sori if your wells or peavy or young or mad dog or anyone. THE GUY TURNED ON A PITCH THAT ELECTRIFIED THE HOME CROWD IN A GAME THE CUBS DESPERATELY WANTED TO WIN AND HAD TO COME FROM BEHIND TO DO SO. I don't care what peavy or brenly says if Wells doesn't wanna get shown up like that don't let the new guy (very well paid) hit a HR off you to bring the cubs right back in it. Think how tense every cubs series has been cause they've all been really close and every F*in win counts no matter if it's in april, june, september, ONE WIN IS ONE F*In WIN! I'm so sick and tired of pitchers getting sick of hitters showing them up (how many pitchers have said this about manny's 18 steps before he hits a stride gay ass?) Peavy is part to blame, but most of the blame lies on Young for throwin up and in to a guy like lee.

 

I'm not saying a guy can't stand there and admire their handiwork. But, if they show up a pitcher, expect and accept the retaliation and the consequences that follow.

 

If Gonzalez stands there admiring a home run today, I hope someone sticks him in the backside on his next at bat.

 

What Soriano did was disrespectful of the opposing team. I doubt Young really meant to throw it at his head, but he did and now Lee is probably facing a suspension that he wouldn't be facing if Soriano just ran the bases.

[Chocolate Milk]

Guy's admire their HR's all the time these days. The Padres, particularly the big fat lefty, have to have thicker skin.

 

Pretty obvious that was an intentional near-beanball. With all the comments in the paper the other day and how mouthy young got when Lee was going to first. There is really no question in my mind.

 

It was stupid for Lee to do it, but this has been building since the Braves games. Cubs are continually getting pegged as so far have been completely kept from any sort of payback by the umps. I'm sure they were getting pretty tired of it.

[Illini Iceman]

I haven't read pas this so maybe this has been addresssed, but you can't be one bit mad at sori if your wells or peavy or young or mad dog or anyone. THE GUY TURNED ON A PITCH THAT ELECTRIFIED THE HOME CROWD IN A GAME THE CUBS DESPERATELY WANTED TO WIN AND HAD TO COME FROM BEHIND TO DO SO. I don't care what peavy or brenly says if Wells doesn't wanna get shown up like that don't let the new guy (very well paid) hit a HR off you to bring the cubs right back in it. Think how tense every cubs series has been cause they've all been really close and every F*in win counts no matter if it's in april, june, september, ONE WIN IS ONE F*In WIN! I'm so sick and tired of pitchers getting sick of hitters showing them up (how many pitchers have said this about manny's 18 steps before he hits a stride gay ass?) Peavy is part to blame, but most of the blame lies on Young for throwin up and in to a guy like lee.

 

I'm not saying a guy can't stand there and admire their handiwork. But, if they show up a pitcher, expect and accept the retaliation and the consequences that follow.

 

If Gonzalez stands there admiring a home run today, I hope someone sticks him in the backside on his next at bat.

 

What Soriano did was disrespectful of the opposing team. I doubt Young really meant to throw it at his head, but he did and now Lee is probably facing a suspension that he wouldn't be facing if Soriano just ran the bases.

 

I just watched it again in Cubs.com and don't see what the big deal was. He definitely did not "moonwalk", so whoever said he did was either just exaggerating or doesn't know what a moonwalk is. He honesly didn't even stop and watch it, he was moving down the first base line the whole time it was in the air, just walking then running backward about half way down then running with his head down the rest of the way around the bases. It is not worse than any other sure home run. Guys never hit the ball and just run unless the HR is in doubt. ARam does the toss of the bat and pose, even Jacque Jones does his little bat flip and usually watches for a second or two.

Heck, Wells was even mad at Lilly for having the nerve of bunting and making him move his fat butt off the mound.

Wells is one of these guys that think he is old school and can tell everyone else how to play the game but in reality is more of an embarrasment to baseball with his comments and attititude than any guy with a home run trot.

[transplanted_suburbanite]

My only thoughts on this issue are this:

 

Those of you who have called Lee an idiot for doing what he did have lost your grip on reality.

 

He just saw a pitch that was somewhere in the vicinity of 80-90mph thrown at his head and then had the same pitcher tell him (as seems to be the general consensus) that he's going to do it again. I would have punched him too. At that point in time, I don't care who you are, you're going to lose control and start swinging.

 

There is no way that you can expect ANYONE to be able to keep their calm and keep the teams best interests in mind while in the situation Lee was in today. Lee is only human, all be it one of the best.

 

 

 

Michael Jordan did not punch Danny Ferry. he never punched any Piston, he never punched any Knick, he never punched anyone on the Heat. he never punched anyone. no matter how hard they hit him, no matter how many times they hammered him in mid-air, and trashed talked about it afterwords, he didn't punch them back, no matter how many times it was deserved.

 

you know what he did? he had Stan Livingston and Will Purdue and Scott Williams take care of the dirty work for him. don't sit there and tell me that adult human males are incapable of showing restraint in that situation and that in so doing it was keeping the teams best interest in mind.

 

I understand your point, but Jordan did punch someone-Reggie Miller :D In fact, while Jordan put him in a headlock and punched him multiple times, the referees continued to be afraid of Jordan by ejecting Reggie and allowing Jordan to stay in the game (1993). After a public outcry, the NBA suspended Jordan for 1 game, and didn't suspend Reggie (since he really wasn't fighting because Jordan had him in a headlock). I think that's the first and only time I've ever heard that happen-a fight in a game, only one person gets ejected, and the person who did not get ejected is the only one who is suspended.

 

He hit Steve Kerr too. Thought everyone knew Jordan's thrown a punch or two.

[cubfan1955]

How did the umps in Atlanta KNOW Lilly was going to hit someone and NOT KNOW yesterday the Padres were going to hit someone. I've never subscribed to the conspiracy theories against the Cubs by MLB and the umps but I'm starting to wonder.

 

Also, I don't care if Soriano gets on his belly and crawls around the bases....that is no reason for throwing at players head. There is just no justification for throwing at someones head. NONE!!! Lee could have been killed had the pitch but just a few more inches inside. But you know what? MLB will not even take that into consideration. Lee will be penalized the most because he swung first and Young, being a pitcher, will only get an extra day of rest between starts.

[BigbadB]

even Jacque Jones does his little bat flip and usually watches for a second or two.

 

I admire you for remembering what Jacque Jones home run routine looks like.

 

It's been so long, I completely forgot.

[Roast]

My only thoughts on this issue are this:

 

Those of you who have called Lee an idiot for doing what he did have lost your grip on reality.

 

He just saw a pitch that was somewhere in the vicinity of 80-90mph thrown at his head and then had the same pitcher tell him (as seems to be the general consensus) that he's going to do it again. I would have punched him too. At that point in time, I don't care who you are, you're going to lose control and start swinging.

 

There is no way that you can expect ANYONE to be able to keep their calm and keep the teams best interests in mind while in the situation Lee was in today. Lee is only human, all be it one of the best.

 

 

 

Michael Jordan did not punch Danny Ferry. he never punched any Piston, he never punched any Knick, he never punched anyone on the Heat. he never punched anyone. no matter how hard they hit him, no matter how many times they hammered him in mid-air, and trashed talked about it afterwords, he didn't punch them back, no matter how many times it was deserved.

 

you know what he did? he had Stan Livingston and Will Purdue and Scott Williams take care of the dirty work for him. don't sit there and tell me that adult human males are incapable of showing restraint in that situation and that in so doing it was keeping the teams best interest in mind.

 

I don't blame Lee for throwing a punch, but the insinuations that it was uncontrollable or good for the team or the right thing to do or morally superior to others actions are just insane.

 

 

at some point someone has to be the 'mature baseball professional.' Soriano has to at the very least be a little more discrete in his celebration. Peavy has to shut his punk mouth. the Pads manager has to tell his team to suck it up and get payback on the field, not in the papers or with beanballs. Chris Young has to not be Peavys puppet and just go about the business of winning baseball games, not evening scores and being a punk when he does so. and Derrick Lee has to take it like a man, go to first, and get his revenge with his play.

 

if any one of these idiots just acted like a 'mature professional' it wouldn't have gotten as far as it did. of all people, the one who wasn't a total fricken idiot is David Wells, who said he didn't even see Soriano's dance and he'd have to file it away. that's how you handle it. you wait until the next time you face the perpetrator, and even the score personally, either through getting him out and showing him up, or with a harmless beanball at the hip.

 

I dont disagree with what you say about Peavy or Wells, but as it has been pointed out already, Jordan DID throw punches.

 

It's just a fact that sometimes, when you feel you have been so wronged (or in this case, your safety has been endangered), there is no way you can expect any man to think about 'the team.' Lee did what anybody would do in that situation. Was it right? No, but you can't fault him for snapping at that moment.

[Roast]

even Jacque Jones does his little bat flip and usually watches for a second or two.

 

I admire you for remembering what Jacque Jones home run routine looks like.

 

It's been so long, I completely forgot.

 

:lmao:

[Roast]

I doubt Hill or Maddux will play beanball tomorrow. Hill might, but not Maddux.

 

If it happens, expect it from a reliever.

 

LOL, I'm not convinced that Maddux wouldn't but I don't think either starter will.

Maddux wont. And if he does, it wouldnt hurt.

[Illini Iceman]

even Jacque Jones does his little bat flip and usually watches for a second or two.

 

I admire you for remembering what Jacque Jones home run routine looks like.

 

It's been so long, I completely forgot.

 

:lmao:

 

I saw it on one of the Ken Burns documentaries.

[C.C.]

I haven't read pas this so maybe this has been addresssed, but you can't be one bit mad at sori if your wells or peavy or young or mad dog or anyone. THE GUY TURNED ON A PITCH THAT ELECTRIFIED THE HOME CROWD IN A GAME THE CUBS DESPERATELY WANTED TO WIN AND HAD TO COME FROM BEHIND TO DO SO. I don't care what peavy or brenly says if Wells doesn't wanna get shown up like that don't let the new guy (very well paid) hit a HR off you to bring the cubs right back in it. Think how tense every cubs series has been cause they've all been really close and every F*in win counts no matter if it's in april, june, september, ONE WIN IS ONE F*In WIN! I'm so sick and tired of pitchers getting sick of hitters showing them up (how many pitchers have said this about manny's 18 steps before he hits a stride gay ass?) Peavy is part to blame, but most of the blame lies on Young for throwin up and in to a guy like lee.

 

I'm not saying a guy can't stand there and admire their handiwork. But, if they show up a pitcher, expect and accept the retaliation and the consequences that follow.

 

If Gonzalez stands there admiring a home run today, I hope someone sticks him in the backside on his next at bat.

 

What Soriano did was disrespectful of the opposing team. I doubt Young really meant to throw it at his head, but he did and now Lee is probably facing a suspension that he wouldn't be facing if Soriano just ran the bases.

 

But this is the modern day ball player. I mean what player doesn't watch his HR's? Barrett consistently puts his head down and runs the bases, but he's a rarity these days.

[Rebel_Cubbie]

Gonna go out on a limb and call Chris Young a racist a-hole.

 

I'm not sure that is a great idea. I know personally I would not be very happy if someone went "out on a limb" accusing me of something without actual facts.

If there's footage of you mouthing it, then it's totally called for.

 

What footage?? What did he say!?

 

you get a pretty good view on the highlights MLB.com has up right now. I couldn't pick up what he was saying. Whatever he said made Derrek turn and say, "what!?"

I can't find any, can you link me to it?

 

it's on MLB.com's main page.

 

here's another look

 

The Fight

 

this view isn't so great and the quality is meh.

 

Who is the Padre in the warmup jacket that grabs Lee from behind in a bear hug and sets off the second incident?

 

Peavy

[d_money]

Both teams will/have already been warned about today. What will happen if Maddux 75mph pitch some how gets a way from him, hits a Cub on the shin? Will Maddux be ejected?

[cubfan]

I doubt Hill or Maddux will play beanball tomorrow. Hill might, but not Maddux.

 

If it happens, expect it from a reliever.

 

LOL, I'm not convinced that Maddux wouldn't but I don't think either starter will.

Maddux wont. And if he does, it wouldnt hurt.

 

I think Maddux would if needed, but it would be at the players hip or ribs and no higher. There are times when it is appropriate to throw at some one but it is never appropriate to throw any where near someones head.

[Roast]

I doubt Hill or Maddux will play beanball tomorrow. Hill might, but not Maddux.

 

If it happens, expect it from a reliever.

 

LOL, I'm not convinced that Maddux wouldn't but I don't think either starter will.

Maddux wont. And if he does, it wouldnt hurt.

 

I think Maddux would if needed, but it would be at the players hip or ribs and no higher. There are times when it is appropriate to throw at some one but it is never appropriate to throw any where near someones head.

 

I just don't see Maddux doing it because (maybe i'm naive, but) I think he has a great enough respect not only for this team, but people such as Lee that he wouldn't throw at us.

 

If someone from the Padres hits us, it's gonna be a guy from the Pen.

[cubfan]

I doubt Hill or Maddux will play beanball tomorrow. Hill might, but not Maddux.

 

If it happens, expect it from a reliever.

 

LOL, I'm not convinced that Maddux wouldn't but I don't think either starter will.

Maddux wont. And if he does, it wouldnt hurt.

 

I think Maddux would if needed, but it would be at the players hip or ribs and no higher. There are times when it is appropriate to throw at some one but it is never appropriate to throw any where near someones head.

 

I just don't see Maddux doing it because (maybe i'm naive, but) I think he has a great enough respect not only for this team, but people such as Lee that he wouldn't throw at us.

 

If someone from the Padres hits us, it's gonna be a guy from the Pen.

Sometimes it is not about respect for the other team or player, it is respect for your own team and people you play with. Maddux wouldn't throw at someone to hurt them but to make a point. I don't expect Maddux to throw at someone today but if Cubs pitchers hit two Padres I can see it happening. The first would make them even, the second would be to much and need a response.

I doubt much of anything will happen today though since the game is to important and the last thing the Cubs need is to lose any more players.