Sean Gallagher to Cubs / Guzman to DL / Novoa to 60-day DL

[illiniguy]

EXACTLY WE NEED STRIKES IN THE PEN. GALLAGHERS CAREER 4.83 BB/9 IN AA SHOWS HE FITS THAT DESCRIPTION

 

 

not really

plus, like all rookies he won't get any corners at all.

[RichHillIsABeast]

I could care less about Gallagher's arbi clock. We need guys who can throw strikes in our bullpen.

 

You really, really should. Middle relief for our floundering major league club is not worth jeopardizing the future and length of control of possibly our best pitching prospect.

 

I'm a fan. I care about winning. You're talking about a pocketbook problem we face years from now. Who's to say Gallagher won't be open to a deal locking him up long term a few years down the line? It's only a question of dollars. The Cubs have enough and then some.

[E.J.]

He's one of our best prospects. Why don't we put him in the bullpen and let him pitch in mop-up duty then? Makes perfect sense.

[E.J.]

I could care less about Gallagher's arbi clock. We need guys who can throw strikes in our bullpen.

 

You really, really should. Middle relief for our floundering major league club is not worth jeopardizing the future and length of control of possibly our best pitching prospect.

 

I'm a fan. I care about winning. You're talking about a pocketbook problem we face years from now. Who's to say Gallagher won't be open to a deal locking him up long term a few years down the line? It's only a question of dollars. The Cubs have enough and then some.

 

You have to have players on the team who are making less than $5-$10 million a year. We aren't the Yankees. We can't pay for whatever we want. And if you look, Hendry has basically screwed us by backloading a bunch of deals he's given out lately. You should definitely worry about the pocketbook problem years from now.

 

Add in the fact that Gallagher is one of our best prospects right now and should be getting innings under his belt just adds to the stupidity.

[RichHillIsABeast]

EXACTLY WE NEED STRIKES IN THE PEN. GALLAGHERS CAREER 4.83 BB/9 IN AA SHOWS HE FITS THAT DESCRIPTION

 

 

not really

 

Last season he struggled at the tail end after his promotion. Big whoop.

 

He's around 3.5 BB/9 this season in AA. That's a hell of a lot better than a lot of the arms in our pen.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I could care less about Gallagher's arbi clock. We need guys who can throw strikes in our bullpen.

 

You really, really should. Middle relief for our floundering major league club is not worth jeopardizing the future and length of control of possibly our best pitching prospect.

 

I'm a fan. I care about winning. You're talking about a pocketbook problem we face years from now. Who's to say Gallagher won't be open to a deal locking him up long term a few years down the line? It's only a question of dollars. The Cubs have enough and then some.

 

No.

 

It's not just a question of dollars, it's a question of full years that we control him. It's not as if Gallagher was ripping up Iowa but we have no room in the rotation. When he goes back down he's going to need more time to develop, maybe even more than before now that we're screwing with him by promoting him two levels and putting him in a role he's never been in. And, like was mentioned, Gallagher isn't exactly throwing bushels of strikes in AA that he's going to be a great fix for the (nonexistent) problem of walks in middle relief.

[Guest]

What's wrong with Rocky Cherry?

[E.J.]

What's wrong with Rocky Cherry?

 

Cubs don't want any more references to Cherry Pie?

[jjgman21]

I could care less about Gallagher's arbi clock. We need guys who can throw strikes in our bullpen.

 

You really, really should. Middle relief for our floundering major league club is not worth jeopardizing the future and length of control of possibly our best pitching prospect.

 

I used to think that way, but I'm starting to change my mind about the length of control thing. with the way pitchers flame out you're generally going to get the best years out of pitcher within the first six years of service. as for pitchers that start to come into their own in years 5-6, 29 other teams are producing them. pitchers that are consistently dominant from the get go up until 5-6 years of service without signs of inconsistency or regression (1 in a million), throw money at them.

[Mephistopheles]

EXACTLY WE NEED STRIKES IN THE PEN. GALLAGHERS CAREER 4.83 BB/9 IN AA SHOWS HE FITS THAT DESCRIPTION

 

 

not really

 

Last season he struggled at the tail end after his promotion. Big whoop.

 

He's around 3.5 BB/9 this season in AA. That's a hell of a lot better than a lot of the arms in our pen.

 

except when you adjust it to the majors as a rookie it goes over 4.

 

 

come on this isnt that hard

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I could care less about Gallagher's arbi clock. We need guys who can throw strikes in our bullpen.

 

You really, really should. Middle relief for our floundering major league club is not worth jeopardizing the future and length of control of possibly our best pitching prospect.

 

I used to think that way, but I'm starting to change my mind about the length of control thing. with the way pitchers flame out you're generally going to get the best years out of pitcher within the first six years of service. as for pitchers that start to come into their own in years 5-6, 29 other teams are producing them. pitchers that are consistently dominant from the get go up until 5-6 years of service without signs of inconsistency or regression (1 in a million), throw money at them.

 

Again though, it's not as if Gallagher is not in the big league rotation because of a lack of spots. He needs more developmental time.

[Productive Outs]

What's wrong with Rocky Cherry?

 

Cubs don't want any more references to Cherry Pie?

 

last time, i promise

 

Dirty, rotten, filthy, stinkin...

 

She's my cherry pie

Cool drink of water such a sweet surprise

Tastes so good makes a grown man cry

Sweet Cherry Pie

 

Swingin' on the front porch

Swingin' on the lawn

Swingin' where we want

'Cause there ain't nobody home

Swingin' to the left

And swingin' to the right

If I think about baseball

I'll swing all night yea

 

Swingin' in the living room

Swingin' in the kitchen

Most folks don't 'cause

They're too busy bitchin'

Swingin' in there 'cause

She wanted me to feed her

So I mixed up the batter

And she licked the beater

 

I scream you scream

We all scream for her

Don't even try 'cause

You can't ignore her

 

She's my cherry pie

Cool drink of water

Such a sweet surprise

Tastes so good

Make a grown man cry

Sweet cherry pie oh yea

She's my cherry pie

Put a smile on your face

Ten miles wide

Looks so good

Bring a tear to your eye

Sweet cherry pie

 

Swingin' to the drums

Swingin' to guitar

Swingin' to the bass

In the back of my car

Ain't got money

Ain't got no gas

But we'll get where

We're goin' if we

Swing real fast

 

I scream you scream

We all scream for her

Don't even try 'cause

You can't ignore her

 

She's my cherry pie

Cool drink of water

Such a sweet surprise

Tastes so good

Make a grown man cry

Sweet cherry pie oh yea

She's my cherry pie

Put a smile on your face

Ten miles wide

Looks so good

Bring a tear to your eye

Sweet cherry pie, yeah, pie

 

Swing it! All night long,

Swing it!

Swingin the bathroom

Swingin' on the floor

Swingin' so hard

We forgot to lock the door

In walks her daddy

Standin' six foot four

He said you ain't gonna swing

With my daughter no more

 

She's my cherry pie

Cool drink of water

Such a sweet surprise

Tastes so good

Make a grown man cry

Sweet cherry pie oh yea

She's my cherry pie

Put a smile on your face

Ten miles wide

Looks so good

Bring a tear to your eye

Sweet cherry pie

Sweet cherry pie

[RichHillIsABeast]

I could care less about Gallagher's arbi clock. We need guys who can throw strikes in our bullpen.

 

You really, really should. Middle relief for our floundering major league club is not worth jeopardizing the future and length of control of possibly our best pitching prospect.

 

I'm a fan. I care about winning. You're talking about a pocketbook problem we face years from now. Who's to say Gallagher won't be open to a deal locking him up long term a few years down the line? It's only a question of dollars. The Cubs have enough and then some.

 

No.

 

It's not just a question of dollars, it's a question of full years that we control him. It's not as if Gallagher was ripping up Iowa but we have no room in the rotation. When he goes back down he's going to need more time to develop, maybe even more than before now that we're screwing with him by promoting him two levels and putting him in a role he's never been in. And, like was mentioned, Gallagher isn't exactly throwing bushels of strikes in AA that he's going to be a great fix for the (nonexistent) problem of walks in middle relief.

 

It's called an extension. You don't have to wait until the last possible moment to offer it (looking at you, Hendry). Lock up your good, young players early.

[illiniguy]

I could care less about Gallagher's arbi clock. We need guys who can throw strikes in our bullpen.

 

You really, really should. Middle relief for our floundering major league club is not worth jeopardizing the future and length of control of possibly our best pitching prospect.

 

I'm a fan. I care about winning. You're talking about a pocketbook problem we face years from now. Who's to say Gallagher won't be open to a deal locking him up long term a few years down the line? It's only a question of dollars. The Cubs have enough and then some.

 

No.

 

It's not just a question of dollars, it's a question of full years that we control him. It's not as if Gallagher was ripping up Iowa but we have no room in the rotation. When he goes back down he's going to need more time to develop, maybe even more than before now that we're screwing with him by promoting him two levels and putting him in a role he's never been in. And, like was mentioned, Gallagher isn't exactly throwing bushels of strikes in AA that he's going to be a great fix for the (nonexistent) problem of walks in middle relief.

 

It's called an extension. You don't have to wait until the last possible moment to offer it (looking at you, Hendry). Lock up your good, young players early.

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

[E.J.]

Looks like it will probably be Guzman who hits the DL.

 

Cubs.com[/url]"]Angel Guzman will be examined by Cubs team doctors in Chicago on Wednesday and could be placed on the disabled list because of tightness in his right forearm.

 

"I want to make sure nothing is wrong," Guzman said Tuesday.

 

The right-hander has not pitched since Friday. He felt some tightness on Saturday, but was able to throw on the side Monday in Milwaukee. He woke up Tuesday with the same strange feeling.

 

"He characterized it as 'tenderness,'" said Cubs assistant general manager Randy Bush. "For his own peace of mind, we want to have him go see the doctor."

[jjgman21]

I could care less about Gallagher's arbi clock. We need guys who can throw strikes in our bullpen.

 

You really, really should. Middle relief for our floundering major league club is not worth jeopardizing the future and length of control of possibly our best pitching prospect.

 

I used to think that way, but I'm starting to change my mind about the length of control thing. with the way pitchers flame out you're generally going to get the best years out of pitcher within the first six years of service. as for pitchers that start to come into their own in years 5-6, 29 other teams are producing them. pitchers that are consistently dominant from the get go up until 5-6 years of service without signs of inconsistency or regression (1 in a million), throw money at them.

 

Again though, it's not as if Gallagher is not in the big league rotation because of a lack of spots. He needs more developmental time.

 

 

many many pitchers earn some stripes in the pen for a couple years then break into the rotation. many more learn they can't get big league hitters out yet and are sent back to the minors for more seasoning. I forget the rules about service time and whatnot, but if properly timed, bringing up a minor leaguer will actually let you get 6.5 years out of the player.

 

it's not like the clock starts running once the roster move is made and in three years from that date he becomes arbi elig and 6 years from that date he becomes FA elig. it's all based on service time.

 

now I would like to see them not get off the poddy. if he's up and in the pen, he's in the pen until next spring, at which time you know what he can do vs. major leaguers, and have every option available as to where to send him and in what role.

[illiniguy]

Man this sucks, Sean is one of our best prospects, why let Hendry rush him to salvage this year. He is sacrificing our future for his own job and it isn't right.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

[illiniguy]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

I agree, they didn't have Carmona up last year getting shelled in the pen...

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

I agree, they didn't have Carmona up last year getting shelled in the pen...

 

Carmona was pitching better than Gallagher is at a higher level when he was called up. It was also his second season at AAA after 2 seasons at AA. Not even remotely comparable.

[illiniguy]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

I agree, they didn't have Carmona up last year getting shelled in the pen...

 

Carmona was pitching better than Gallagher is at a higher level when he was called up. It was also his second season at AAA after 2 seasons at AA. Not even remotely comparable.

It was a highly thought of prospect pitcher wasting away in their bullpen, so it is comparable. I hope Sean also comes out of this unscathed.

[Jon]

Most likely he'll waste away, but only for a short period of time. It's the Cubs way.

 

Hendry is in full "see what sticks to the wall" mode. And it's not like he's going to care much about the organization's future.

[illiniguy]

Most likely he'll waste away, but only for a short period of time. It's the Cubs way.

 

Hendry is in full "see what sticks to the wall" mode. And it's not like he's going to care much about the organization's future.

Which is why we should get rid of him now, Dusty didn't care about it last year and was allowed to abuse young arms along the way.

[Jon]

Most likely he'll waste away, but only for a short period of time. It's the Cubs way.

 

Hendry is in full "see what sticks to the wall" mode. And it's not like he's going to care much about the organization's future.

Which is why we should get rid of him now, Dusty didn't care about it last year and was allowed to abuse young arms along the way.

Who has the motivation to get rid of Hendry now? Most of the front office needs to at least make the playoffs this year, from McDonough on down. And even if the team is sold early in the fall, they'll still be around for most of the off-season.

 

Jim is far too obsessed about tinkering with the bullpen just for the sake of tinkering.

[illiniguy]

Most likely he'll waste away, but only for a short period of time. It's the Cubs way.

 

Hendry is in full "see what sticks to the wall" mode. And it's not like he's going to care much about the organization's future.

Which is why we should get rid of him now, Dusty didn't care about it last year and was allowed to abuse young arms along the way.

Who has the motivation to get rid of Hendry now? Most of the front office needs to at least make the playoffs this year, from McDonough on down. And even if the team is sold early in the fall, they'll still be around for most of the off-season.

 

Jim is far too obsessed about tinkering with the bullpen just for the sake of tinkering.

Yeah, maybe Selig. You gotta think he wants a good cubs team. Playoff+Cubs=huge ratings.