Trade Lee Now

[nolanwood]

We got Izturis in exchange for Maddux. We couldn't get crap for Jones. You guys and your pipe dreams have us unloading the 1st of June, in 2nd place in a horrid division that could very easily be won with a .500 record. If the Cubs got hot for a mere 10-12 games they could be in first place at the moment. The thought of selling Lee at the moment is absurd. We've got enough prospects that can't get the job done. Besides the fact that given the $$ that was put into this team in the offseason, there's definitely not gonna be any selling of Lee - it makes ZERO sense.

[Shilzzz]

i would trade him just to be nice, because he doesn't deserve this crap.

[Prior4CyYoung]

I have seen enough of this season to know we have absolutely no shot of winning the division. And with the way the team is assembled now we have no shot of winning in the future unless we get rid of just about everything we can for fair market value ofcourse.

[Guest]

We got Izturis in exchange for Maddux. We couldn't get crap for Jones. You guys and your pipe dreams have us unloading the 1st of June, in 2nd place in a horrid division that could very easily be won with a .500 record. If the Cubs got hot for a mere 10-12 games they could be in first place at the moment. The thought of selling Lee at the moment is absurd. We've got enough prospects that can't get the job done. Besides the fact that given the $$ that was put into this team in the offseason, there's definitely not gonna be any selling of Lee - it makes ZERO sense.

 

Well thank you for taking the time to present your reasons.

 

This is a philosophical choice here: do you want to try and be .500 and win a crappy division and most likely be a first round elimination (lets face the fact that the cardinals were extraordinarily lucky) or do you want to build a team that will dominate a crappy division for years? I choose B. While I agree that this is unlikely to happen due to the lame-duck GM, the money spent and other factors, the move would make perfect sense to build a winning team.

[tkenm356]

Before people make more silly "Trade xxxxxxx for xxxxxxxx" posts regarding our stud players, keep something like this in mind:

 

DERREK LEE HAS A NO-TRADE CLAUSE

 

A little research before posting something as silly as trading away Derrek Lee, the man who has pretty much become the face of this franchise, is all I'm hoping for.

 

Trying to trade Derrek Lee would be the dumbest thing in the world for two reasons:

 

1) He's not the problem

2) We can't unless he waives it

 

Wow, maybe even if you make it bigger and redder it will make your point relevant!

 

I'm not going to dignify you defending a Derrek Lee trade with a returning blow

[Guest]

Your point on Izturis and not getting anything for Jones is exactly why they need to trade big chips - those other players won't help the team rebuild.

 

I don't think you are being honest about this team - they are not a good team. Getting to .500 will be a good year for this team as constructed. Is that good enough?

[nolanwood]

We got Izturis in exchange for Maddux. We couldn't get crap for Jones. You guys and your pipe dreams have us unloading the 1st of June, in 2nd place in a horrid division that could very easily be won with a .500 record. If the Cubs got hot for a mere 10-12 games they could be in first place at the moment. The thought of selling Lee at the moment is absurd. We've got enough prospects that can't get the job done. Besides the fact that given the $$ that was put into this team in the offseason, there's definitely not gonna be any selling of Lee - it makes ZERO sense.

 

Well thank you for taking the time to present your reasons.

 

This is a philosophical choice here: do you want to try and be .500 and win a crappy division and most likely be a first round elimination (lets face the fact that the cardinals were extraordinarily lucky) or do you want to build a team that will dominate a crappy division for years? I choose B. While I agree that this is unlikely to happen due to the lame-duck GM, the money spent and other factors, the move would make perfect sense to build a winning team.

 

And this is where we agree, 100%. Yes, I'd rather build a team that will dominate for years, and not a fluke. But with Hendry at the wheel, I prefer the "get it done now" approach, cause that's about all he can do - spend $$$. Plus, I'd be terrified to discover what kinda prospects we'd get in return for Lee - keeping in mind the guy operating the transaction thinks Neifi Perez and Izturis are good.

[Guest]

Before people make more silly "Trade xxxxxxx for xxxxxxxx" posts regarding our stud players, keep something like this in mind:

 

DERREK LEE HAS A NO-TRADE CLAUSE

 

A little research before posting something as silly as trading away Derrek Lee, the man who has pretty much become the face of this franchise, is all I'm hoping for.

 

Trying to trade Derrek Lee would be the dumbest thing in the world for two reasons:

 

1) He's not the problem

2) We can't unless he waives it

 

Wow, maybe even if you make it bigger and redder it will make your point relevant!

 

I'm not going to dignify you defending a Derrek Lee trade with a returning blow

 

Why? Is that offensive to you that my opinion is different than yours? Of course Lee isn't the problem - but he isn't the solution either. I am fully aware he has a no-trade clause. Its not relevant as he is certain to waive it to go to a team with a chance to win.

[nolanwood]

Your point on Izturis and not getting anything for Jones is exactly why they need to trade big chips - those other players won't help the team rebuild.

 

I don't think you are being honest about this team - they are not a good team. Getting to .500 will be a good year for this team as constructed. Is that good enough?

 

The Cardinals last year were not a good team either....and our division this year appears even worse than last year.

[Prior4CyYoung]

I am all for trading anyone on the team at this time. And if you are going to rebuild best start by dealing your all your veteran players it just so happens that Lee is the most valueable so trading him would net the best package its nothing personal against him he is an amazing player but by the time the team is ready to contend 2009? his skills would most likely have dimished and your just stuck with an aging ball player.

[Guest]

We got Izturis in exchange for Maddux. We couldn't get crap for Jones. You guys and your pipe dreams have us unloading the 1st of June, in 2nd place in a horrid division that could very easily be won with a .500 record. If the Cubs got hot for a mere 10-12 games they could be in first place at the moment. The thought of selling Lee at the moment is absurd. We've got enough prospects that can't get the job done. Besides the fact that given the $$ that was put into this team in the offseason, there's definitely not gonna be any selling of Lee - it makes ZERO sense.

 

Well thank you for taking the time to present your reasons.

 

This is a philosophical choice here: do you want to try and be .500 and win a crappy division and most likely be a first round elimination (lets face the fact that the cardinals were extraordinarily lucky) or do you want to build a team that will dominate a crappy division for years? I choose B. While I agree that this is unlikely to happen due to the lame-duck GM, the money spent and other factors, the move would make perfect sense to build a winning team.

 

And this is where we agree, 100%. Yes, I'd rather build a team that will dominate for years, and not a fluke. But with Hendry at the wheel, I prefer the "get it done now" approach, cause that's about all he can do - spend $$$. Plus, I'd be terrified to discover what kinda prospects we'd get in return for Lee - keeping in mind the guy operating the transaction thinks Neifi Perez and Izturis are good.

 

I tend to agree with you there - this is probably not realistic either given that Hendry's career legacy is probably entirely dependent on this year. That doesn't make the idea stupid though.

[Guest]

Your point on Izturis and not getting anything for Jones is exactly why they need to trade big chips - those other players won't help the team rebuild.

 

I don't think you are being honest about this team - they are not a good team. Getting to .500 will be a good year for this team as constructed. Is that good enough?

 

The Cardinals last year were not a good team either....and our division this year appears even worse than last year.

 

The cardinals were very very lucky. The best chance to win the WS is to get to the playoffs every year. I would rather plan for that than hope for a miracle.

[nolanwood]

We got Izturis in exchange for Maddux. We couldn't get crap for Jones. You guys and your pipe dreams have us unloading the 1st of June, in 2nd place in a horrid division that could very easily be won with a .500 record. If the Cubs got hot for a mere 10-12 games they could be in first place at the moment. The thought of selling Lee at the moment is absurd. We've got enough prospects that can't get the job done. Besides the fact that given the $$ that was put into this team in the offseason, there's definitely not gonna be any selling of Lee - it makes ZERO sense.

 

Well thank you for taking the time to present your reasons.

 

This is a philosophical choice here: do you want to try and be .500 and win a crappy division and most likely be a first round elimination (lets face the fact that the cardinals were extraordinarily lucky) or do you want to build a team that will dominate a crappy division for years? I choose B. While I agree that this is unlikely to happen due to the lame-duck GM, the money spent and other factors, the move would make perfect sense to build a winning team.

 

And this is where we agree, 100%. Yes, I'd rather build a team that will dominate for years, and not a fluke. But with Hendry at the wheel, I prefer the "get it done now" approach, cause that's about all he can do - spend $$$. Plus, I'd be terrified to discover what kinda prospects we'd get in return for Lee - keeping in mind the guy operating the transaction thinks Neifi Perez and Izturis are good.

 

I tend to agree with you there - this is probably not realistic either given that Hendry's career legacy is probably entirely dependent on this year. That doesn't make the idea stupid though.

 

Unforunately, it does make the idea stupid given that Hendry would be the one pulling the trigger at the moment. Gimme a competent GM and the idea is genius.

[tkenm356]

Before people make more silly "Trade xxxxxxx for xxxxxxxx" posts regarding our stud players, keep something like this in mind:

 

DERREK LEE HAS A NO-TRADE CLAUSE

 

A little research before posting something as silly as trading away Derrek Lee, the man who has pretty much become the face of this franchise, is all I'm hoping for.

 

Trying to trade Derrek Lee would be the dumbest thing in the world for two reasons:

 

1) He's not the problem

2) We can't unless he waives it

 

Wow, maybe even if you make it bigger and redder it will make your point relevant!

 

I'm not going to dignify you defending a Derrek Lee trade with a returning blow

 

Why? Is that offensive to you that my opinion is different than yours? Of course Lee isn't the problem - but he isn't the solution either. I am fully aware he has a no-trade clause. Its not relevant as he is certain to waive it to go to a team with a chance to win.

 

As bad as we've been, this season is not out of reach. Trading away other players, like Barrett or Zambrano, would be wiser. This season can still be had if we dump the trash (Jones, Eyre) and trade the easily tradable (Barrett, Zambrano). Zambrano and Barrett would net some great young players despite their poor play this year because they have had strong consistency the past 3-4 years. We don't need to blow the team up yet, Hendry just needs to be smart (unlikely to happen).

 

Trading Lee is the wrong route to go in the trade scenarios. Besides, Lee doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to cut ties and run as far away as possible. He has a lot invested into the city and his teammates, as well as they do to him. Lee has class, something a lot of players today don't have, and I think if they asked Derrek today if he wanted to be traded he'd tell them he'd want to stay

[Fro]

Lee's the last person we need to trade at this point.

[JeffH]

The best reason to trade Lee is...

 

...mercy.

[slieb85]

send him to the angels for Santana and Wood imo.

 

Ok my internet has kicked me out of writing this reply twice. So extremely shortened version. Santana is horrible away from home and would be worthless as a piece in a trade for Lee. He's in danger of being dropped from LAA's rotation. I wouldnt be opposed to trading Lee necessarily but we'll be looking at 2011 or so before we're contending if we go that route and then we'll be sitting on a much poorer version of soriano/ramirez. I would rather see us unload Dempster, Jones, Eyre, Howry, Izturis, Zambrano, De rosa, Barrett, Floyd(or just let him walk.) Hopefully a competent GM could get a few young pitching prospects and maybe a decent position prospect or two out of that. I would go youth movement/try to get Arod this offseason and try to make a run in 08/09.

 

Something like this could be a posibility

1.soriano

2. theriot

3. lee

4 arod

5 aramis

6 murton/FA corner outfielder/someone we net from a trade

7. soto/hill

8. pie

 

Rotation of

hill, lilly, marquis, guzman, marshall (prior if we sign him to the right contract and he comes back well)

 

Bench of:

Fontenot, 2nd catcher, epatt, Murton/other of prospect, 1b/3b prospect

 

Bullpen of:

Wood (maybe), wuertz, rapada, marmol (closer), cotts, prospect1, prospect 2

 

Still have a good set of farm system pitchers to grow with veal gallagher and smardzidja (sp?), plus possibly weiters or whoever we draft this year.

 

A competent GM could get something like that done and that type of team could dominate this division for 3-4 years with a chance to be good afterwards if money is spent correctly.

[Amazing_Grace]

I would only put one person on this year's Cubs team untouchable, Rich Hill, but Lee is very close. I doubt trading Lee would help much as his contract actually looks like a bargain given what he's been doing and he's not a player that's overly reliant on power hitting, so he probably will not decline as sharply as others. I'd have to get a lot, a *LOT* before I'd consider trading Derrek Lee, and that's assuming he'd even agree to waive his NTC, which I doubt he would.

 

The team's problem offensively is having guys that are just plain bad or mediocre hitters from a technical standpoint. Lee is pretty much the only guy on the team that is a great all around hitter. He hits for average, hits for power, can take a walk, and rarely swings at bad pitches. Lee is what the team needs more of, not less.

[illiniguy]

I would ask him if he wants to go to Boston. Then I would ask for Buccholtz and Bowden. We were great when we had good pitching. Then hire a manager who won't abuse them.

[UK1679666180]

Why would anyone be untouchable at this point?

 

If a team asked about Lee, see what the offer is. Worst case scenario is them saying no.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Why would anyone be untouchable at this point?

 

If a team asked about Lee, see what the offer is. Worst case scenario is them saying no.

 

absolutely

[SeldomSeen]

I believe it was said before, but I would imagine that the Angels would offer up a king's ransom for Lee. Kotchman and Hillenbrand aren't exactly setting the world on fire. Where would you start the bidding???

[Yestheydo]

Suggesting they shop Lee is just frustrated posturing. If someone blows you away, then okay; nobody is *really* untouchable. But come on. Like the other guy said: Lee is what this team needs more of, not less. And with a high payroll and all the bad contracts, you don't unload the one guy who's actually worth what he's making.

[davearm]

Let me see if I've got this straight.

 

Carlos Zambrano and Michael Barrett get into a gradeschool slapfight, and the correct response from the Cubs is to trade Derrek Lee.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Let me see if I've got this straight.

 

Carlos Zambrano and Michael Barrett get into a gradeschool slapfight, and the correct response from the Cubs is to trade Derrek Lee.

 

More like, The Cubs are playing themselves out of this season, a potential response is to see what they could get for Lee.