let the whining about playing time begin...

[abuck1220]

Upon returning to New York on Monday, former Met Cliff Floyd said he was surprised at his relative lack of playing time with the Cubs.

 

"A lot of things we talked about earlier in contract negotiations hasn't worked out," he said. "I thought I'd be playing more."

 

Floyd said he understood Piniella has five outfielders who could be everyday players.

 

"You deal with it," he said. "I assume something has to happen sooner or later. I don't know if it will go the whole season or not."

 

Piniella said he "appreciates" that Floyd wants to play more, but added: "Truthfully, when we've played him out there too much, we've had to rest him for a while because he's had some ailments."

 

should be a fun rest of the season!

 

ps - hobbling 35 year old corner outfielders with a .710 OPS shouldn't get a lot of playing time.

Edited May 15, 2007 by abuck1220

[C.C.]

Upon returning to New York on Monday, former Met Cliff Floyd said he was surprised at his relative lack of playing time with the Cubs.

 

"A lot of things we talked about earlier in contract negotiations hasn't worked out," he said. "I thought I'd be playing more."

 

Floyd said he understood Piniella has five outfielders who could be everyday players.

 

"You deal with it," he said. "I assume something has to happen sooner or later. I don't know if it will go the whole season or not."

 

Piniella said he "appreciates" that Floyd wants to play more, but added: "Truthfully, when we've played him out there too much, we've had to rest him for a while because he's had some ailments."

 

should be a fun rest of the season!

 

It starting already?

[YearofDaCubs]

Signing Floyd to a contract was a mistake from the get go. It's the exact same situation what Hendry did with Walker and Grudzielanek not too long ago. A redundant FA signing.

[Mephistopheles]

Upon returning to New York on Monday, former Met Cliff Floyd said he was surprised at his relative lack of playing time with the Cubs.

 

"A lot of things we talked about earlier in contract negotiations hasn't worked out," he said. "I thought I'd be playing more."

 

Floyd said he understood Piniella has five outfielders who could be everyday players.

 

"You deal with it," he said. "I assume something has to happen sooner or later. I don't know if it will go the whole season or not."

 

Piniella said he "appreciates" that Floyd wants to play more, but added: "Truthfully, when we've played him out there too much, we've had to rest him for a while because he's had some ailments."

 

should be a fun rest of the season!

 

ps - hobbling 35 year old corner outfielders with a .710 OPS shouldn't get a lot of playing time.

 

Im going to defend Floyd on this one. The Jeremy Giambi effect is affecting Matty Murton and Cliff Floyd right now. If Floyd was promised one thing during the contract negotiations and that promise didn't come true, he should be mad.

[TB_11]

Upon returning to New York on Monday, former Met Cliff Floyd said he was surprised at his relative lack of playing time with the Cubs.

 

"A lot of things we talked about earlier in contract negotiations hasn't worked out," he said. "I thought I'd be playing more."

 

Floyd said he understood Piniella has five outfielders who could be everyday players.

 

"You deal with it," he said. "I assume something has to happen sooner or later. I don't know if it will go the whole season or not."

 

Piniella said he "appreciates" that Floyd wants to play more, but added: "Truthfully, when we've played him out there too much, we've had to rest him for a while because he's had some ailments."

 

should be a fun rest of the season!

 

ps - hobbling 35 year old corner outfielders with a .710 OPS shouldn't get a lot of playing time.

 

Im going to defend Floyd on this one. The Jeremy Giambi effect is affecting Matty Murton and Cliff Floyd right now. If Floyd was promised one thing during the contract negotiations and that promise didn't come true, he should be mad.

 

Did Murton and Floyd get busted for possession of marijuana the day their brother's signed lucrative contracts with the Yankees?

 

It's clear Lou hasn't figured out the outfield situation yet; even the Mets announcers pointed out today that Lou has a glut of outfield players. Until Hendry figures out a plan to handle this, or until Lou lays down the law and says who of Floyd, Jones, Murton and Pagan will be starting, we should expect there to be some tensions regarding playing time.

[Mephistopheles]

The Jeremy Giambi Effect is a name given to the correlation between playing time and quality of performance. The Jeremy Giambi Effect has important implications for understanding a player's PECOTA forecast.

Following are Giambi's plate appearances and OPS for each year of his major league career

 

Year PA OPS

1998 70 .739

1999 336 .741

2000 302 .761

2001 443 .841

2002 397 .919

2003 156 .696

 

Note that the correlation between Giambi's PA and OPS is very strong (r=.72). He played more often when he played more effectively, and less so when he played less effectively. Eventually, his performance became so poor that he could no longer secure any major league playing time at all.

 

Because of the Jeremy Giambi Effect, players that perform better will make more contribution to his weighted mean forecast. Therefore, a player's weighted mean forecast may lead to a falsely optimistic portrait of his future, particularly for players with high drop and attrition rates.

 

We suggest paying the most attention to the Stars & Scrubs Chart, Career Path Anaylsis, and Five-Year WARP Forecast. All of these have a more sophisticated technique to account for the Jeremy Giambi Effect, by considering dropped comparables, but assigning them a value of zero.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Someone needs to be dumped. One of Murton/Jones/Floyd has got to go.

 

Personally, I'd trade Murton. Like it or not, Soriano has LF locked up for years to come. Murton looks horrible in RF. If he was an above average offensive corner outfielder, I wouldn't complain, but he's not.

[Omar]

Someone needs to be dumped. One of Murton/Jones/Floyd has got to go.

 

Personally, I'd trade Murton. Like it or not, Soriano has LF locked up for years to come. Murton looks horrible in RF. If he was an above average offensive corner outfielder, I wouldn't complain, but he's not.

 

I dont see Floyd leaving. Hendry has been wanting him for years, and he finally got him... Dont see him being traded in the near future, at least.

[soccer10k]

Someone needs to be dumped. One of Murton/Jones/Floyd has got to go.

 

Personally, I'd trade Murton. Like it or not, Soriano has LF locked up for years to come. Murton looks horrible in RF. If he was an above average offensive corner outfielder, I wouldn't complain, but he's not.

 

Plus Murton is, by far, the most valuable trade chip of the three because of his age so he could be used to bring somebody in who will actually see the field regularly.

[seanimal]

Someone needs to be dumped. One of Murton/Jones/Floyd has got to go.

 

Personally, I'd trade Murton. Like it or not, Soriano has LF locked up for years to come. Murton looks horrible in RF. If he was an above average offensive corner outfielder, I wouldn't complain, but he's not.

 

Plus Murton is, by far, the most valuable trade chip of the three because of his age so he could be used to bring somebody in who will actually see the field regularly.

 

Relief pitching, plz

[Careless]

2 games for murton in a week is crossing the line!

[soccer10k]

Someone needs to be dumped. One of Murton/Jones/Floyd has got to go.

 

Personally, I'd trade Murton. Like it or not, Soriano has LF locked up for years to come. Murton looks horrible in RF. If he was an above average offensive corner outfielder, I wouldn't complain, but he's not.

 

Plus Murton is, by far, the most valuable trade chip of the three because of his age so he could be used to bring somebody in who will actually see the field regularly.

 

Relief pitching, plz

 

Trading Matt Murton for relief pitching would be downright stupid.

[DiamondMind]

Someone needs to be dumped. One of Murton/Jones/Floyd has got to go.

 

Personally, I'd trade Murton. Like it or not, Soriano has LF locked up for years to come. Murton looks horrible in RF. If he was an above average offensive corner outfielder, I wouldn't complain, but he's not.

 

Plus Murton is, by far, the most valuable trade chip of the three because of his age so he could be used to bring somebody in who will actually see the field regularly.

 

Relief pitching, plz

 

Trading Matt Murton for relief pitching would be downright stupid.

 

austin kearns for gary majewski and bill bray stupid?

[Warren Brusstar]

Someone needs to be dumped. One of Murton/Jones/Floyd has got to go.

 

Personally, I'd trade Murton. Like it or not, Soriano has LF locked up for years to come. Murton looks horrible in RF. If he was an above average offensive corner outfielder, I wouldn't complain, but he's not.

 

Plus Murton is, by far, the most valuable trade chip of the three because of his age so he could be used to bring somebody in who will actually see the field regularly.

 

Relief pitching, plz

 

Trading Matt Murton for relief pitching would be downright stupid.

 

Not if it's for Papelbon.

 

But generally, yes, I agree.

[Tracer Bullet]

Someone needs to be dumped. One of Murton/Jones/Floyd has got to go.

 

Personally, I'd trade Murton. Like it or not, Soriano has LF locked up for years to come. Murton looks horrible in RF. If he was an above average offensive corner outfielder, I wouldn't complain, but he's not.

 

We're trading the youngest with potential to be the best of the 3 going forward (if he's not already) b/c we have so much offense, especially OBP, that we can afford to get rid of a good young OBP machine? Or are we trading Murton b/c our GM signed 2 bad players for the same position and now we feel we need to fix that situation b/c the old bad vets are mad?

 

If it's the 2nd one, that's just not smart business. Floyd's nothing but a PH/bench player at this stage of his career, and should be used accordingly. JJ can hold CF for Pie (hopefully by next year he's ready). Trading a good young player who could become a very good offensive piece for us in the next several years b/c Cliff Floyd thinks (like all old ballplayers) that he's proven himself worthy of starting (even though he's breaking down and way past his prime) is just not smart. Unless we're trading Murton for a stud, I don't see the point in dealing him.

[Warren Brusstar]

We're trading the youngest with potential to be the best of the 3 going forward (if he's not already) b/c we have so much offense, especially OBP, that we can afford to get rid of a good young OBP machine?

 

Matt Murton's career OBP = .368

 

That is not an "OBP machine" under even the most liberal definition of that term.

[NewUserName]

We're trading the youngest with potential to be the best of the 3 going forward (if he's not already) b/c we have so much offense, especially OBP, that we can afford to get rid of a good young OBP machine?

 

Matt Murton's career OBP = .368

 

That is not an "OBP machine" under even the most liberal definition of that term.

 

 

I think its safe to say that he will improve though, given his age. Also I do agree he is not a OBP machine he will however be the Cubs 2nd best if given the opportunity. On a team that is probably going to be middle of the league in OBP it would probably be wise to play him as much as possible.

 

I wouldnt be against trading Murton because he will probably never be a RFer. Sadly he will probably be a better offensive player than Soriano in a couple of years(stupid Hendry again). At this point though we would need a quality 4th outfielder because Floyd cannot play everyday and certainly would be a liability in Right.

[soapy]

Trading Murton to get Floyd more playing time would probably be the worst possible outcome for this situation......which is exactly why it will probably happen.

[Soul]

And here we go!

[Derwood]

his playing time isn't what he was told during contract negotiations? What, he's never told a girl he loves her just to get in her pants?

[Tracer Bullet]

We're trading the youngest with potential to be the best of the 3 going forward (if he's not already) b/c we have so much offense, especially OBP, that we can afford to get rid of a good young OBP machine?

 

Matt Murton's career OBP = .368

 

That is not an "OBP machine" under even the most liberal definition of that term.

 

Even assuming Murton's numbers don't go up in the next 3 years as history would indicate (he's entering his peak years now), his .365 OBP last year was top 25 in the NL. Of NL outfielders, it's top 10. For ML outfielders he's tied for 16th. I don't know how good someone has to be to be considered a "machine" but I think being 16 out of 90 in your first full season (when you're 25) is pretty darn good. If we want to quibble over whether that makes him a machine or not, fine. Either way, his OBP isn't something we should be looking to ship out of town to make Cliff friggin Floyd happy.

[rawaction]

For all the talk about Lou being better than Dusty, he has done an abysmal job putting out the most productive lineups. He has played around with the position players to much, not getting any kind of consistency. He has used Izturis and Jones too much. Murton not enough. The whole Pie fiasco. He has also done a pretty bad job managing the bullpen.

[YearofDaCubs]

Trade Murton over Floyd? What! Why? Floyd is old, has an injury history and sucks just as bad as Murton playing the OF, if not worse. Floyd should not have been signed in the first place, and should be traded or released IMO. He gets his AB and then he makes a good amount of money and a vestion option for next year, no thanks! It probably won't happen but it makes a lot more sense to move Soriano to RF.

[soapy]

For all the talk about Lou being better than Dusty, he has done an abysmal job putting out the most productive lineups. He has played around with the position players to much, not getting any kind of consistency. He has used Izturis and Jones too much. Murton not enough. The whole Pie fiasco. He has also done a pretty bad job managing the bullpen.

I agree. It's the same old, which is what many expected when he got hired only to be fooled by his bs lies during spring training.

 

why wouldn't he start Floyd, or even Ward at 1B? on what planet would it ever make sense to bat Izturis 2nd?

 

i really can't wait to see Floyd get run out into RF for a week straight so Lou can show him some "respect" now that he's complaining. good times.

[CubColtPacer]

Trade Murton over Floyd? What! Why? Floyd is old, has an injury history and sucks just as bad as Murton playing the OF, if not worse. Floyd should not have been signed in the first place, and should be traded or released IMO. He gets his AB and then he makes a good amount of money and a vestion option for next year, no thanks! It probably won't happen but it makes a lot more sense to move Soriano to RF.

 

I don't think Floyd should be traded or released, but I do agree with you that the last thing I want to see is a trade that makes it much easier for him to hit his options, especially the second one. At his current pace, Floyd isn't anywhere near the AB's needed to make even the first option, which is good at the moment (I won't mind the first option if he starts hitting better, and I think hitting much better is the only real way other than a trade that he has a chance of hitting that one-I don't want to see him hit that second option under any circumstance).