2007 NFL Draft

[soccer10k]

Second round, we take a running back (after taking a running back in the second round last season) who put up 3.5 yards per carry at Arizona. I realize there are a number of Pac-10 fans on the board that may take exception to this, but the Pac-10 defense is not generally the strong suit of the conference. And Chris Henry managed 3.5 yards per carry in it. Jamal Lewis carried for that and people are calling him old and washed up - at 26 years old. Doesn't bode well for Henry.

 

If you put up 3.5 yards per carry in any conference, yes that includes the SEC, there is no reason you should be drafted in the second round.

[soccer10k]

Things I learned today:

 

- Apparently being the face of ND football is more than enough by itself to knock a great player down NINETEEN spots from where he could've and should've been taken. Cleveland got ass-lucky.

 

- Carolina doesn't always do what I want them to do. I wanted them to take Quinn at 14, then after they traded down, I wanted Greg Olsen at 25. I'm not a Beason guy, but considering our office's record of draft success, I can't complain too much. And they went out and had a fantastic 2nd and 3rd round getting Jarrett, Kalil (who I wanted with the pick they snatched Jarrett with), and Charles Johnson. All they need to do now is take a token ND guy on day 2 and me loves the draft.

 

- Miami is galactically stupid. A KICK RETURNER AT THE NINE SPOT?

 

- The Bears getting Olsen is the 2nd-biggest steal of the draft behind Quinn at 22. For a while I was terrified - TERRIFIED - that they'd trade up, get Quinn, and become an NFC dynasty. Olsen worries me less - but only slightly less.

 

- San Diego had a terrible first day. Craig Davis, a guy who was nowhere near the top of the boards at the time he was picked? Trading half your picks to get Eric Weddle?

 

- SF had the best 1st day overall - Willis is going to be awesome and Joe Staley was a great pickup, plus they got a 1st rounder back in a trade with Indy.

 

Get off Quinn's stuff. He isn't that good.

 

btw, you sound like ESPN.

He IS that good. Explain to me in rational terms why he's not. Nothing about "big games", because that's crap (Russell crapped the bed in his team's biggest game in 06, why does nobody bring THIS up?).

 

I originally called Cleveland as an 07 playoff team, but after allowing myself some time to think about it, I'll pull back slightly. They'll be a .500 team.

 

The other two ND guys were both taken higher than I thought they'd be, but Abiamiri is going to be a good one, Eagles fans will like him. Ryan Harris sucks.

 

I'm going to assume you mean the Florida game in which he had 1 TD and 3 INT's. He also had a average at best game against Auburn and, though he led his team on a game winning drive in the game, threw three picks (one pick 6) and lost a fumble in that game as LSU almost lost.

[texascub]

Just for good measure, this is my 300th post in this thread :)

[TruffleShuffle]

- Apparently being the face of ND football is more than enough by itself to knock a great player down NINETEEN spots from where he could've and should've been taken. Cleveland got ass-lucky.

 

uh, I don't think NFL teams have a vendetta against a particular college. that'd be pretty stupid. maybe people just didn't think he was that good, or didn't need a quarterback.

[RynoRules]

- Apparently being the face of ND football is more than enough by itself to knock a great player down NINETEEN spots from where he could've and should've been taken. Cleveland got ass-lucky.

 

uh, I don't think NFL teams have a vendetta against a particular college. that'd be pretty stupid. maybe people just didn't think he was that good, or didn't need a quarterback.

 

Agreed.

 

Andy, its kinda difficult to take you seriously in football threads. You are incredibly biased in your assessments. You once argued that the 06' Panthers - after starting out with a losing record in their first few games - would wind up with a better record than the Bears, and now you are basically asserting that Quinn is the love child of Johnny U and Joe Montana.

 

How can you expect us to take you seriously? Did you not see the LSU game? The Michigan game? Most of his "great" games came against second tier competition.

 

That said, I think Quinn will be a good pro, and perhaps better than Russell. But that doesn't mean he is the G-d you see him as being.

[RynoRules]

I for one like the Wolfe pick. They didn't draft him to carry the load, thhey drafted him to play special teams, back on kick returns, and handle 3rd down duties. I can live with that.

[Andy]

- Apparently being the face of ND football is more than enough by itself to knock a great player down NINETEEN spots from where he could've and should've been taken. Cleveland got ass-lucky.

 

uh, I don't think NFL teams have a vendetta against a particular college. that'd be pretty stupid. maybe people just didn't think he was that good, or didn't need a quarterback.

 

Agreed.

 

Andy, its kinda difficult to take you seriously in football threads. You are incredibly biased in your assessments. You once argued that the 06' Panthers - after starting out with a losing record in their first few games - would wind up with a better record than the Bears, and now you are basically asserting that Quinn is the love child of Johnny U and Joe Montana.

 

How can you expect us to take you seriously? Did you not see the LSU game? The Michigan game? Most of his "great" games came against second tier competition.

 

That said, I think Quinn will be a good pro, and perhaps better than Russell. But that doesn't mean he is the G-d you see him as being.

I didn't mean NFL teams and scouts, I meant the media who spent the last four months destroying him for invented reasons like "sucks in big games" (apparently Penn State wasn't a big game last season and none of the games in 2005 were big) and "no upside" (like we know for an absolute fact that Russell is some kind of upside machine). And Carolina was the most talented team in the NFC, or at least appeared to be when the season was going on, and they SHOULD have been better than 8-8. Then again, I didn't see Chris Freaking Weinke starting three or four games towards the end of the season either.

 

I never, ever, ever made him out to be some kind of god. Ever. I can't emphasize this strongly enough. Calvin Johnson is the best player in this draft and it's not even close. I've maintained this for months. Quinn was a top 5 talent in this draft and plummeted to 22. If this happened to your all-time favorite college athlete, you'd be pretty irate too.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Things I learned today:

 

- Apparently being the face of ND football is more than enough by itself to knock a great player down NINETEEN spots from where he could've and should've been taken. Cleveland got ass-lucky.

 

.

 

Maybe the NFL knows what we've been saying all along....ND is overrated!

 

Furthermore, the guy at the ranchreport said he spoke to an NFL scout who said several teams had Quinn rated as a second round talent.

 

I think many teams were concerned with his throwing accuracy. Whether they are right or not remains to be seen. I'm elated he fell because it allowed the Cowboys to get the player they wanted and essientially trade a 3 and 5 rounder in this year's draft for next year's 1st which could be a top 5-10 pick. That is a steal.

 

I think teams had a legitimate concern about Quinn and when you consider the money that first round QB's get, they passed. I do think the Dolphins were moronic for taking Ginn, but not because they passed on Quinn to do so.

[Soul]

Cowboys definitely benefitted very well from the Quinn drop, no question. Worked out beautifully for them.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cowboys definitely benefitted very well from the Quinn drop, no question. Worked out beautifully for them.

 

I figured the best the Cowboys might get from the drop would be Cleveland's first next year and a third rounder this year. Had that happened, they wouldn't have been able to trade back into the first round.

 

I thought we might even take Clevelands's 2nd and 3rd and maybe a second next year. When we recieved both the second rounder and next year's first, I was ecstatic.

 

I wasn't as pleased with who the Cowboys moved back up to take, but I'm going to trust that Phillips and the Cowboys scouts know what they are doing.

 

I hope the Cowboys have a great season, but I can imagine how pumped I may be heading into next year's draft.

 

Here's to the Browns winning one game next season.

[Soul]

Cowboys definitely benefitted very well from the Quinn drop, no question. Worked out beautifully for them.

 

I figured the best the Cowboys might get from the drop would be Cleveland's first next year and a third rounder this year. Had that happened, they wouldn't have been able to trade back into the first round.

 

I thought we might even take Clevelands's 2nd and 3rd and maybe a second next year. When we recieved both the second rounder and next year's first, I was ecstatic.

 

I wasn't as pleased with who the Cowboys moved back up to take, but I'm going to trust that Phillips and the Cowboys scouts know what they are doing.

 

I hope the Cowboys have a great season, but I can imagine how pumped I may be heading into next year's draft.

 

Here's to the Browns winning one game next season.

 

Boys could be a playoff team with 2 first rounders including a top 10. I would be giddy 8-)

[Jon]

Looks like Randy Moss will be a Patriot, not a Packer, for NE's 4th round pick.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Looks like Randy Moss will be a Patriot, not a Packer, for NE's 4th round pick.

 

Wow....Pats are going to be scary good next year with Brady throwing to Stallworth and Moss with Maroney in the backfield. Look out!

[Chocolate Milk]

Looks like Randy Moss will be a Patriot, not a Packer, for NE's 4th round pick.

 

I know he's fallen off a bit, but a 4th rounder? Wow. Does anyone think this guy forgot how to play?

[Chocolate Milk]

I bet Brady isn't disgruntled anymore. Wow.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Just for good measure, this is my 300th post in this thread :)

 

You need more hobbies. I think this is my 2nd post in this thread.

[RynoRules]

Just for good measure, this is my 300th post in this thread :)

 

You need more hobbies. I think this is my 2nd post in this thread.

 

Said the guy who has 10,000 posts in about a year and a half.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So I'm finally getting caught up with the other teams and their picks and have so many questions, but I'll start with the Bears. Why Bazuin? And why Wolfe? I don't understand either of those picks.

[dew1679666265]

Second round, we take a running back (after taking a running back in the second round last season) who put up 3.5 yards per carry at Arizona. I realize there are a number of Pac-10 fans on the board that may take exception to this, but the Pac-10 defense is not generally the strong suit of the conference. And Chris Henry managed 3.5 yards per carry in it. Jamal Lewis carried for that and people are calling him old and washed up - at 26 years old. Doesn't bode well for Henry.

 

If you put up 3.5 yards per carry in any conference, yes that includes the SEC, there is no reason you should be drafted in the second round.

 

Exactly. I might be a little more forgiving if he did that in the SEC or Big Ten where the defenses are elite, but you're right. If you average 3.5 yards per carry in any conference, I see no way you're a second round pick.

[Andy]

So I'm finally getting caught up with the other teams and their picks and have so many questions, but I'll start with the Bears. Why Bazuin? And why Wolfe? I don't understand either of those picks.

I had heard Wolfe rated as a 5th or 6th-rounder, so I have no clue why the Bears scooped him there. I don't know that much about Bazuin but he looks pretty solid.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

So I'm finally getting caught up with the other teams and their picks and have so many questions, but I'll start with the Bears. Why Bazuin? And why Wolfe? I don't understand either of those picks.

I had heard Wolfe rated as a 5th or 6th-rounder, so I have no clue why the Bears scooped him there. I don't know that much about Bazuin but he looks pretty solid.

 

I just don't understand picking a DE that high. Seems like there may have been other areas (OL) of concern.

[tadowdaddy]

Ravens take Yamon Figurs, I really like this guy. He might be the best return-man in the draft. Overall he's probably about as good as Ginn but with less exposure.

 

YO!!! Fast as hell, hands aren't dependable all the time, but agreed... probably as much of a play maker as Ginn.

[ChiCubsFan]

Things I learned today:

 

- Apparently being the face of ND football is more than enough by itself to knock a great player down NINETEEN spots from where he could've and should've been taken. Cleveland got ass-lucky.

 

.

 

Maybe the NFL knows what we've been saying all along....ND is overrated!

 

Furthermore, the guy at the ranchreport said he spoke to an NFL scout who said several teams had Quinn rated as a second round talent.

 

I think many teams were concerned with his throwing accuracy. Whether they are right or not remains to be seen. I'm elated he fell because it allowed the Cowboys to get the player they wanted and essientially trade a 3 and 5 rounder in this year's draft for next year's 1st which could be a top 5-10 pick. That is a steal.

 

I think teams had a legitimate concern about Quinn and when you consider the money that first round QB's get, they passed. I do think the Dolphins were moronic for taking Ginn, but not because they passed on Quinn to do so.

 

I don't get why everyone thinks it's so "moronic". The Dolphins needed a WR and they took who they felt was the 2nd best WR prospect. He's very raw but has skills. He had 8 receptions for 108 yards and a TD on Leon Hall. The guy can play! Everyone says "Haha the Dolphins drafted a KICK RETURNER 9th overall". That's dead wrong. The fact that he's going to be one of the best kick returners in the NFL this year is just a bonus. Before the foot injury, he was a top 10 pick, so it's really not that bad of a pick. I agree it's a bit of a stretch, but someone on here posted that NFL network said that Houston was going to take Ginn at 10. So if Miami wanted Ginn, they had to take him there. He's a playmaker and has speed. Those are 2 things the Dolphins desperately needed on the offensive side of the ball. Also, not drafting Brady Quinn was a great decision. They got John Beck (who they had rated slightly above Quinn) for probably less than half the price. Overall, I think the Dolphins did a good job. I would have rather seen Amobi Okoye drafted to instill some young into the front 4, but WR/playmaker on offense was also a need.

[ChiCubsFan]

Ravens take Yamon Figurs, I really like this guy. He might be the best return-man in the draft. Overall he's probably about as good as Ginn but with less exposure.

 

YO!!! Fast as hell, hands aren't dependable all the time, but agreed... probably as much of a play maker as Ginn.

 

Figurs is a great return-man. Probably as good, or better, than Ginn. However, he is going to be nowhere near as good a receiver as Ginn. He doesn't have the hands or the route-running ability. Two things that are probably the most important attributes for a WR.

[tadowdaddy]

Ravens take Yamon Figurs, I really like this guy. He might be the best return-man in the draft. Overall he's probably about as good as Ginn but with less exposure.

 

YO!!! Fast as hell, hands aren't dependable all the time, but agreed... probably as much of a play maker as Ginn.

 

Figurs is a great return-man. Probably as good, or better, than Ginn. However, he is going to be nowhere near as good a receiver as Ginn. He doesn't have the hands or the route-running ability. Two things that are probably the most important attributes for a WR.

 

Agreed! I said, play maker, not receiver. He can make people miss...