This season is already over.

[JeffH]

I can't believe that some people still try to argue that this is NOT the worst franchise in professional sports.

[ctcf]

I can't believe that some people still try to argue that this is NOT the worst franchise in professional sports.

Somehow after reading your posts over tha last day, I'm starting to get the feeling you might not like this team.

[Soriano12]

This team is a disgrace to Chicago.

 

They should at least remove "Chicago" from their name.....Gary Cubs?

[JeffH]

I love the Chicago Cubs.

 

Or, as Jerry Seinfeld once said, I root for the clothes (the uniform).

 

I can't stand this particular despicable group of losers.

[Mizzou]

I love the Chicago Cubs.

 

Or, as Jerry Seinfeld once said, I root for the clothes (the uniform).

 

I can't stand this particular despicable group of losers.

Then stop watching.

[Cubfanintheknow]

This thread has the feel of a sports talk radio topic.

 

This morning, Steve Rosenbloom basically said the same thing on ESPN 1000. According to "Rosey," the phone lines were lit up with angry Cub fans wanting to bite his head off.

 

If I had the patience, I'd have called in myself. But I would have just said to Cub fans, "Hang up right now. This is just another case of an idiot talk show host/sportswriter goading fans. If you ignore the man he'll go away."

 

It's not as if I'm looking at this team through Cubbie-blue colored glasses. There are problems. But there's also too much time for them to be fixed. Especially in the NL Central.

 

Ignoring a talk show host is one thing. Ignoring a 7-12 start, last in a terrible division? Much different, indeed.

 

I'm certainly not ignoring the bad start (which is now 7-13). I'm just being a little more pragmatic. As should a lot of other posters.

[ctcf]

I love the Chicago Cubs.

 

Or, as Jerry Seinfeld once said, I root for the clothes (the uniform).

 

I can't stand this particular despicable group of losers.

Then stop watching.

 

If he was going to he would have done so before the other 100 odd posts that look exactly like that one.

[Soriano12]

This thread has the feel of a sports talk radio topic.

 

This morning, Steve Rosenbloom basically said the same thing on ESPN 1000. According to "Rosey," the phone lines were lit up with angry Cub fans wanting to bite his head off.

 

If I had the patience, I'd have called in myself. But I would have just said to Cub fans, "Hang up right now. This is just another case of an idiot talk show host/sportswriter goading fans. If you ignore the man he'll go away."

 

It's not as if I'm looking at this team through Cubbie-blue colored glasses. There are problems. But there's also too much time for them to be fixed. Especially in the NL Central.

 

Ignoring a talk show host is one thing. Ignoring a 7-12 start, last in a terrible division? Much different, indeed.

 

I'm certainly not ignoring the bad start (which is now 7-13). I'm just being a little more pragmatic. As should a lot of other posters.

 

No. We shouldn't.

[DivineBovine]

I'm sick of caring about this pathetic team. I give up.

[CubsWin]

I think it is perfectly understandable for fans to want to give up on this team. Being a Cubs fan is rarely easy, especially when things are going like they have thus far this season. The fans that have expressed that they want to give up on the Cubs or that this team is the most pathetic group of whatever are no less Cubs fans than those that are still keeping the faith. They wouldn't be feeling this angry if they didn't have some level of high hopes for this team going into this season and a strong desire to see them succeed.

 

Its fine to be frustrated, angry, demoralized, etc. Its fine to use hyperbole to express these emotions. I don't think it does anyone any good to hold fans to account for the words they are choosing when they are this frustrated. They're pissed. So am I. We just deal with it differently. To me, this thread is the perfect place for people to vent their rightful frustration with how things have gone thus far. It probably is better placed in rants, but whatever.

[NCCubFan]

This thread has the feel of a sports talk radio topic.

 

This morning, Steve Rosenbloom basically said the same thing on ESPN 1000. According to "Rosey," the phone lines were lit up with angry Cub fans wanting to bite his head off.

 

If I had the patience, I'd have called in myself. But I would have just said to Cub fans, "Hang up right now. This is just another case of an idiot talk show host/sportswriter goading fans. If you ignore the man he'll go away."

 

It's not as if I'm looking at this team through Cubbie-blue colored glasses. There are problems. But there's also too much time for them to be fixed. Especially in the NL Central.

 

Ignoring a talk show host is one thing. Ignoring a 7-12 start, last in a terrible division? Much different, indeed.

 

I'm certainly not ignoring the bad start (which is now 7-13). I'm just being a little more pragmatic. As should a lot of other posters.

 

No. We shouldn't.

Yes we should.

[Larry Horse]

The Cubs are now 6 games out.

 

But don't be a fatalist.

 

It's way too early.

 

Everything will be fine.

[C.C.]

My breaking point is falling 10 games under .500. Once we hit that we will free fall...

[Soul]

This thread has the feel of a sports talk radio topic.

 

This morning, Steve Rosenbloom basically said the same thing on ESPN 1000. According to "Rosey," the phone lines were lit up with angry Cub fans wanting to bite his head off.

 

If I had the patience, I'd have called in myself. But I would have just said to Cub fans, "Hang up right now. This is just another case of an idiot talk show host/sportswriter goading fans. If you ignore the man he'll go away."

 

It's not as if I'm looking at this team through Cubbie-blue colored glasses. There are problems. But there's also too much time for them to be fixed. Especially in the NL Central.

 

Ignoring a talk show host is one thing. Ignoring a 7-12 start, last in a terrible division? Much different, indeed.

 

I'm certainly not ignoring the bad start (which is now 7-13). I'm just being a little more pragmatic. As should a lot of other posters.

 

No. We shouldn't.

Yes we should.

 

Why should we? What makes you think this is any different than the other hundred seasons of failure?

[Soul]

My breaking point is falling 10 games under .500. Once we hit that we will free fall...

 

At this rate, we'll be 10 under by next week.

[C.C.]

My breaking point is falling 10 games under .500. Once we hit that we will free fall...

 

At this rate, we'll be 10 under by next week.

 

Yes, it seems that way. Well the bright side at least you can enjoy your summer sooner...

[Derwood]

My breaking point is falling 10 games under .500. Once we hit that we will free fall...

 

so, Saturday then?

[Soriano12]

This thread has the feel of a sports talk radio topic.

 

This morning, Steve Rosenbloom basically said the same thing on ESPN 1000. According to "Rosey," the phone lines were lit up with angry Cub fans wanting to bite his head off.

 

If I had the patience, I'd have called in myself. But I would have just said to Cub fans, "Hang up right now. This is just another case of an idiot talk show host/sportswriter goading fans. If you ignore the man he'll go away."

 

It's not as if I'm looking at this team through Cubbie-blue colored glasses. There are problems. But there's also too much time for them to be fixed. Especially in the NL Central.

 

Ignoring a talk show host is one thing. Ignoring a 7-12 start, last in a terrible division? Much different, indeed.

 

I'm certainly not ignoring the bad start (which is now 7-13). I'm just being a little more pragmatic. As should a lot of other posters.

 

No. We shouldn't.

Yes we should.

No. We shouldn't

[ToThePain]

The Cubs are going to hit - the real question is, is Zambrano going to pitch? The Ace of our staff is supposed to be the killing losing streaks and starting winning streaks and Z just hasn't done it.

 

And so go the fortunes of the Cubs.

 

I doubt these guys have the gas to win the Central but they'll play a lot better when Z starts pitching.

 

Of course I'm just waiting for the other shoe to fall - "Zambrano reports tightness in his shoulder".

[soapy]

The Cubs are going to hit - the real question is, is Zambrano going to pitch? The Ace of our staff is supposed to be the killing losing streaks and starting winning streaks and Z just hasn't done it.

 

And so go the fortunes of the Cubs.

 

I doubt these guys have the gas to win the Central but they'll play a lot better when Z starts pitching.

 

Of course I'm just waiting for the other shoe to fall - "Zambrano reports tightness in his shoulder".

They will probably start hitting (for more power anyway) but that isn't the only concern. They still can't get on base enough. Hill, Lilly and Marquis aren't likely to continue at their current levels. The fifth spot in the rotation is an obvious question mark and Zambrano has looked terrible (though he is likely to improve).

 

Everyone is quick to point out that there are people stuggling who will come around, which is true. But there are also guys out-performing all expectations at this point that are likely to come back to earth.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs are going to hit -.

 

Why are people so sure of this? They haven't hit for years, and the team is mostly the same. The Cubs have physically talented hitters, but they don't have many great hitters. Right now you have a CF who may actually be less productive than Pierre was last year, as well as a SS who may be less productive than last year's shortstops. 2B remains questionable, as DeRosa has surprised on the upside with the HRs, but has disappointed in the AVG/OBP department. Lee may have returned to his 2nd tier status as a 1B, without any power he's not elite. Jones had a career year last year after a slow start, and he's off to an even slower start this year, with no guarantee of duplicating those numbers. You've got a C platoon that is basically repeating what they did last year.

 

With Soriano in LF, he'll have to improve a lot just to get to his career averages, never mind his 2006 peak season. And if he just repeats his career averages, he's barely better than last year's LF, and that's only due to a couple more HR's, he'll be a downgrade in OBP.

 

So, even if you get guys who are currently underperforming to get back to their career norms, you could have a relatively weak offense.

 

Bottom line is, we don't know that this team is going to hit. Many people assumed this offense was going to rock, especially announcer types who like the big names of Ramirez, Lee and Soriano. But the same flaws that led them to the back of the pack the past few years are still there: lack of walks, numerous black hole positions, reliance on veterans to repeat career years.

 

They might hit, if guys start turning 180s and some people outperform expectations, but we don't know they will.

[C.C.]

The Cubs are going to hit -.

 

Why are people so sure of this? They haven't hit for years, and the team is mostly the same. The Cubs have physically talented hitters, but they don't have many great hitters. Right now you have a CF who may actually be less productive than Pierre was last year, as well as a SS who may be less productive than last year's shortstops. 2B remains questionable, as DeRosa has surprised on the upside with the HRs, but has disappointed in the AVG/OBP department. Lee may have returned to his 2nd tier status as a 1B, without any power he's not elite. Jones had a career year last year after a slow start, and he's off to an even slower start this year, with no guarantee of duplicating those numbers. You've got a C platoon that is basically repeating what they did last year.

 

With Soriano in LF, he'll have to improve a lot just to get to his career averages, never mind his 2006 peak season. And if he just repeats his career averages, he's barely better than last year's LF, and that's only due to a couple more HR's, he'll be a downgrade in OBP.

 

So, even if you get guys who are currently underperforming to get back to their career norms, you could have a relatively weak offense.

 

Bottom line is, we don't know that this team is going to hit. Many people assumed this offense was going to rock, especially announcer types who like the big names of Ramirez, Lee and Soriano. But the same flaws that led them to the back of the pack the past few years are still there: lack of walks, numerous black hole positions, reliance on veterans to repeat career years.

 

They might hit, if guys start turning 180s and some people outperform expectations, but we don't know they will.

 

Well said

[Cubfanintheknow]

This thread has the feel of a sports talk radio topic.

 

This morning, Steve Rosenbloom basically said the same thing on ESPN 1000. According to "Rosey," the phone lines were lit up with angry Cub fans wanting to bite his head off.

 

If I had the patience, I'd have called in myself. But I would have just said to Cub fans, "Hang up right now. This is just another case of an idiot talk show host/sportswriter goading fans. If you ignore the man he'll go away."

 

It's not as if I'm looking at this team through Cubbie-blue colored glasses. There are problems. But there's also too much time for them to be fixed. Especially in the NL Central.

 

Ignoring a talk show host is one thing. Ignoring a 7-12 start, last in a terrible division? Much different, indeed.

 

I'm certainly not ignoring the bad start (which is now 7-13). I'm just being a little more pragmatic. As should a lot of other posters.

 

No. We shouldn't.

Yes we should.

 

Why should we? What makes you think this is any different than the other hundred seasons of failure?

 

I don't think anyone who's saying, "It's not over yet" believes that THIS IS THE SEASON! Its just really hard to write off the year when there are 142 games left. Does this team have issues? Absolutely. And they aren't being glossed over. But there is just too much baseball left to call it a season.

 

Edit for typo.

[C.C.]

This thread has the feel of a sports talk radio topic.

 

This morning, Steve Rosenbloom basically said the same thing on ESPN 1000. According to "Rosey," the phone lines were lit up with angry Cub fans wanting to bite his head off.

 

If I had the patience, I'd have called in myself. But I would have just said to Cub fans, "Hang up right now. This is just another case of an idiot talk show host/sportswriter goading fans. If you ignore the man he'll go away."

 

It's not as if I'm looking at this team through Cubbie-blue colored glasses. There are problems. But there's also too much time for them to be fixed. Especially in the NL Central.

 

Ignoring a talk show host is one thing. Ignoring a 7-12 start, last in a terrible division? Much different, indeed.

 

I'm certainly not ignoring the bad start (which is now 7-13). I'm just being a little more pragmatic. As should a lot of other posters.

 

No. We shouldn't.

Yes we should.

 

Why should we? What makes you think this is any different than the other hundred seasons of failure?

 

I don't think anyone who's saying, "It's not over yet" believes that THIS IS THE SEASON! Its just really hard to write off the year when there are 142 games left. Does this team have issues? Absolutely. And they aren't being glossed over. But there is just too much baseball left to call it a season.

 

Edit for typo.

 

When isn't it too early?

[jmajew]

It is about time the Cubs play the youngsters and find ways to get rid of guys like Jones, Floyd, Miller, and Izturis(even though we have no one to replace him).

 

The Cubs need to be playing Pie, Murton, and Theriot at CF, RF, and 2B. DeRosa can be the super sub who who plays both infield and OF. Floyd can be the big bat off the bench. Unfortunately it appears like we are stuck for the time being with Izturis at SS.

 

You have to give Hendry some credit so far when it comes to the pitching staff. It looks like both Lilly and Marquis are meeting the organizations expectations. Soriano will help the team in the long haul. The only problem with his offseason was that he wanted proven quantities to fill CF, 2B, and RF, if the unproven players who have lots of potential can't perform. Of course by doing this you put un-needed pressure on the young players to perform and you make older players who deserve to start on numerous other teams angry when they do not play. This was not the way to build a team.

 

With all that said if you aren't going to let the young guys develop please trade them when they have value and before they get past their primes. I believe both of them are like 26,27, or 28. I'm sure numerous teams would be happy to take Murton and Theriot. Heck I"m sure teams like Toronto and Oakland will kill to have either of them.

 

Excuse my little rant I am just extremely frustrated.