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[Transmogrified Tiger]

Ya, I guess the scouts that came to nearly all our games were just talking out of their ass. And I didn't say that them being comparable means that you could start out at AA, it just means that they equate your ability in the SEC to how you would likely fare in AA.

 

Going from your list below, that means we can expect...

 

Stephen Head to put up an OPS in AA approaching 1.000(last year: .696 in A+)

Something similar to that from Brian Pettway(last year: .767 in A-)

A near .800 OPS from Barry Gunther(last year: .658 in A- at age 24)

~1.5 WHIP, ~6.75 K/9, and ~3.0 BB/9 from Anthony Cupps(last year: 1.83 WHIP, 4.97 K/9, 5.28 BB/9 in A+)

[OleMissCub]

eventually making it to aa isn't the same as already being aa caliber. this isn't hard.

 

As of right now, there are 111 players from the SEC and 95 players from the Pac-10 in the major league. That's about a quarter of the entire bigs.

 

I'll tell you what isn't hard. Stepping outside the box and trying to understand what the scouts mean when they say that the higher echelon college baseball programs are comparable to double AA. That doesn't mean everyone in the SEC or Pac-10 could play in AA, much less at any level of the minor leagues. What they meant is that if you succeed at that level in college, then you are likely already playing at a AA level. Key word: succeed.

 

We're talking about guys who hit above .300 and pitchers with really good ERA's.

Edited April 24, 2007 by OleMissCub

[OleMissCub]

Ya, I guess the scouts that came to nearly all our games were just talking out of their ass. And I didn't say that them being comparable means that you could start out at AA, it just means that they equate your ability in the SEC to how you would likely fare in AA.

 

Going from your list below, that means we can expect...

 

Stephen Head to put up an OPS in AA approaching 1.000(last year: .696 in A+)

Something similar to that from Brian Pettway(last year: .767 in A-)

A near .800 OPS from Barry Gunther(last year: .658 in A- at age 24)

~1.5 WHIP, ~6.75 K/9, and ~3.0 BB/9 from Anthony Cupps(last year: 1.83 WHIP, 4.97 K/9, 5.28 BB/9 in A+)

 

Jesus Christ. I don't have the time for this crap. All I'm telling y'all is what I've traditionally heard being in SEC baseball from pro scouts.

[UK1679666180]

I didn't say it means you can start out at AA. It meant that scouts equate what you are able to do in the SEC to how you would likely fare in AA.

 

Scouts don't grade players like that, that's putting too much of an emphasis on college results compared to their tools.

 

You didn't play in the college game so you don't know what the scouts talk about and what they look at. The level of talent depends on what team you are looking at.

 

You don't have to have played "the college game" to know what scouts talk about or look at. There are plenty of scouts out there who haven't. I think I have a decent idea of what a scout looks for and talks about.

 

Ok...my last year playing

 

3rd year, Matt Tolbert, SS, AAA Twins

3rd year, Seth Smith OF, AAA Rockies

2nd year, Stephen Head, 1B, AA Indians

2nd year, Brian Pettway, OF, High A Blue Jays, hitting .314

1st year, Mark Holliman, P, High A Cubs, 21 scoreless innings

1st year, Matt Maloney, P, High A Phillies, 180k's in 168ip last year

2nd year, Barry Gunther, C, High A Giants, hitting .310

1st year, Eric Fowler, P, High A Blue Jays

2nd year Anthony Cupps, P, High A D'backs

1st year, Chris Coghlan(1st rd pick), 3b, A Marlins

1st year, Tommy Baumgardner, P, A Rockies

1st year, Mark Wright, OF, A Mets

 

That's 12 guys. I'm sure most will make it at least to AA.

 

That's 12 guys in 3 years, 4 per year. Nothing too unusual there about a SEC program.

 

There's no connection between the overall game of the SEC and AA beyond the talent of a select few rather than entire teams.

[OleMissCub]

You don't have to have played "the college game" to know what scouts talk about or look at. There are plenty of scouts out there who haven't. I think I have a decent idea of what a scout looks for and talks about.

 

You know what they talk about? You must know lots of scouts?

 

 

There's no connection between the overall game of the SEC and AA beyond the talent of a select few rather than entire teams.

 

I guess you know something the scouts I've talked to don't know.

 

Look, I'm tired of talking about this. This is pointless. I was just relating to everyone what I've heard several times from the mouths of scouts regarding how they value SEC and Pac-10 play above other conferences in college. And if you look and see that around 200 of the 750 guys currently in the majors are from those two conferences, it isn't difficult to understand why those conferences are valued by scouts.

[UK1679666180]

 

You know what they talk about? You must know lots of scouts?

 

I guess you know something the scouts I've talked to don't know.

 

Look, I'm tired of talking about this. This is pointless. I was just relating to everyone what I've heard several times from the mouths of scouts regarding how they value SEC and Pac-10 play above other conferences in college.

 

I know some scouts (one I know very well).

 

I'll agree with you on the SEC and Pac-10 being valued higher than most conferences (don't forget about the ACC and Big 12) with programs like Rice, WSU, CSF, etc. while in weaker conferences can compete and beat the best of the 4 previosuly mentioned. With that said, comparing conferences is another ballgame compared to separating the SEC and AA.

[UK1679666180]

And if you look and see that around 200 of the 750 guys currently in the majors are from those two conferences, it isn't difficult to understand why those conferences are valued by scouts.

 

What?

 

I'm not looking it up but that can't be true.

[OleMissCub]

And if you look and see that around 200 of the 750 guys currently in the majors are from those two conferences, it isn't difficult to understand why those conferences are valued by scouts.

 

What?

 

I'm not looking it up but that can't be true.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players

 

You can search by college there. I searched a few minutes ago and added them up, subtracting some of the ones they have on there from last year, like Fernando Vina, etc, and I came up with 111 SEC and 95 Pac-10.

 

Clearly some guys are listed on there who have probably been sent down to AAA.

 

But still, just do a search. It's ALOT.

[UK1679666180]

Not a chance there are 200 players from the Pac 10 and SEC, that's more than 1 of every 4 players, factor HS, JUCO, other colleges, and international and it's BS.

 

I looked at 2 teams (Balt. and Detroit). There were 2 on Balt. and 0 on Detroit.

[OleMissCub]

Not a chance there are 200 players from the Pac 10 and SEC, that's more than 1 of every 4 players, factor HS, JUCO, other colleges, and international and it's BS.

 

I looked at 2 teams (Balt. and Detroit). There were 2 on Balt. and 0 on Detroit.

 

Do it by college. There is a tab you can pull down that says college. You can pick the college. Look at the number of players from LSU, Cal, Florida, Stanford, USC, Tennessee, Mississippi State, Washington, Washington St, etc.

 

I came up with 111 SEC and 95 Pac-10.

 

Look at the first 5 schools you come across:

 

Alabama - 9

Arizona - 11

Arizona St - 16

Arkansas - 5

Auburn - 11

[UK1679666180]

That's not accurate though, they have Dave Magadan/Chris Wakefield etc. listed.

 

There are about 80-85 players, FWIW.

 

I have to chalk this up to one of my many pointless arguments though.

[OleMissCub]

That's not accurate though, they have Dave Magadan/Chris Wakefield etc. listed.

 

There are about 80-85 players, FWIW.

 

SEC? or both conferences?

 

Plus in my initial calculation I left out some of those guys who were on there like Olerud and Vina.

 

Regardless of the number, it's still alot. It surprised me actually.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

You know what they talk about? You must know lots of scouts?

 

I guess you know something the scouts I've talked to don't know.

 

Look, I'm tired of talking about this. This is pointless. I was just relating to everyone what I've heard several times from the mouths of scouts regarding how they value SEC and Pac-10 play above other conferences in college.

 

I know some scouts (one I know very well).

 

:lol:

[OleMissCub]

 

You know what they talk about? You must know lots of scouts?

 

I guess you know something the scouts I've talked to don't know.

 

Look, I'm tired of talking about this. This is pointless. I was just relating to everyone what I've heard several times from the mouths of scouts regarding how they value SEC and Pac-10 play above other conferences in college.

 

I know some scouts (one I know very well).

 

:lol:

 

Yes, haha, hoho. No doubt he's had extensive conversations with them about how certain college conferences translate their talent to the professional level.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This thread has gone beyond funny.

[OleMissCub]

This thread has gone beyond funny.

 

Well it's just ridiculous really. All I'm saying is what I've heard from several scouts, straight for their mouths, before or after games when they'd talk to us back when I played. That's all.

[imb]

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

SEC baseball is in no way equivalent to AA. Good SEC players may have the ability to one day make it to AA, but to say that it's in any way equivalent is ridiculous. You do realize that most college first rounders start out in the low minors, right?

 

As far as the "I know one very well" portion of the conversation, I think there's something going on that you aren't privy to.

[OleMissCub]

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

SEC baseball is in no way equivalent to AA. Good SEC players may have the ability to one day make it to AA, but to say that it's in any way equivalent is ridiculous. You do realize that most college first rounders start out in the low minors, right?

.

 

Of course they all start out in the low minors. Everyone does. That's not even the point of what the scouts said.

 

What do you think I just pulled this out of my ass? Jesus. This is absurd, and I'm tired of defending it.

[OleMissCub]

 

As far as the "I know one very well" portion of the conversation, I think there's something going on that you aren't privy to.

 

His word over mine huh?

 

The fact that he "knows" a scout up against the fact that I actually played in that conference and actually got to talk to scouts quite frequently ABOUT the minors and ABOUT my conference.

 

But hey, whatever makes YOU feel better.

[imb]

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

SEC baseball is in no way equivalent to AA. Good SEC players may have the ability to one day make it to AA, but to say that it's in any way equivalent is ridiculous. You do realize that most college first rounders start out in the low minors, right?

.

 

Of course they all start out in the low minors. Everyone does. That's not even the point of what the scouts said.

 

What do you think I just pulled this out of my ass? Jesus. This is absurd, and I'm tired of defending it.

 

Yet I bet you keep doing it. What was the point of what the scouts said, then? Was there a point to any of this or was it just more "I played baseball in college" stuff?

[OleMissCub]

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

SEC baseball is in no way equivalent to AA. Good SEC players may have the ability to one day make it to AA, but to say that it's in any way equivalent is ridiculous. You do realize that most college first rounders start out in the low minors, right?

.

 

Of course they all start out in the low minors. Everyone does. That's not even the point of what the scouts said.

 

What do you think I just pulled this out of my ass? Jesus. This is absurd, and I'm tired of defending it.

 

Yet I bet you keep doing it. What was the point of what the scouts said, then? Was there a point to any of this or was it just more "I played baseball in college" stuff?

 

The whole point was that I was defending college baseball from being labeled as amateurish and comical by some on this board who even admitted they had never even seen a college game.

 

The only relevance to my having played is my ability to have heard scouts equate certain college conference players to minor leaguers.

[SouthSideRyan]

Ohhh pinghitter is UK.

[abuck1220]

 

But hey, whatever makes YOU feel better.

 

this thread makes me feel GREAT.

[jersey cubs fan]

The whole point was that I was defending college baseball from being labeled as amateurish and comical by some on this board who even admitted they had never even seen a college game.

 

They are amateurs, so what's the point of defending them against being called amateurish?

[abuck1220]

what has been proven true is that players from the SEC get roughly the same amount of ladies as AA players.