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3/26ST Cubs (Marquis) @ Angels (Saunders) 3:05 CSN / XM183

Omar

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Rob Knoxville Smokies

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I was just thinking that Vlad is exactly the type of hitter Marquis should have extreme troubles with...

 

I guess I was right.

 

Hooray? :?

otis89 Knoxville Smokies

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When are the next outings for Rich Hill and Mark Prior? That's all I care about at this point in the spring. Not that there's any drama left about Rich Hill, but he's awesome.

 

Prior is going to start on Wednesday. I'm not sure about Hill.

CubColtPacer South Bend Cubs

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Cubs leading the CL in starters ERA :shock:

 

Sure, at just under 5.

 

Yes, but the CL is very offense oriented

 

I understand, but it's still not something to brag about.

 

Why not? If the Cubs are doing something better than every single one of their peer group, they deserve some credit.

 

What is more important? The actual number of the statistic itself or how that statistic compares to the rest of their peer group?

 

When it comes to the frequency with which they're giving up runs, I would lean toward the number itself. I don't put a lot of stock in ST numbers, but just because everyone else is not good doesn't mean you should be satisfied with being not quite as bad.

 

Well then, if you just want the numbers, the Cubs 5 starters that are going to start ST have a 4.50 ERA or better, with 3 of them under 4 and 1 of them under 3. They have pitched really well for any type of situation, and especially well considering how offense-friendly the Cactus League is.

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Cubs leading the CL in starters ERA :shock:

 

Sure, at just under 5.

 

Yes, but the CL is very offense oriented

 

I understand, but it's still not something to brag about.

Apparently you don't. How good you are at something is always relative. If I told you that the Cubs have a 3.41 team ERA, your first line of thought would be that the Cubs had an excellent pitching staff. Suppose after that I told you that it was in the 1968 season and was good for second to last in the league. So in reality they weren't very good.

 

While the Cubs pitching staff has produced a terrible ERA in the sense of our recent season lines, it has produced a very GOOD ERA relative to the pitching environment they're in - which again is the ONLY way of determining how good something is, since good intrinsically includes how everyone else is.

 

Granted, you're more or less right. It does show they've pitched well compared to everyone else, but it also does not mean much because it's open to a huge list of sample size caveats. On the other side of the coin (as of a few days ago the numbers are off the top of my head so dont quote me on them) the Cubs had a team batting average of .311. Great, right? Not so much. They're right in the middle of the Cactus League in AVG, where the league BA is roughly .300 or so. It's relative. You cannot make any conclusions without looking at it like you did.

cheapseats ACL Cubs

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No offense, but why is everyone rejoicing that Cedeno made the team?

 

No Perez.

 

Whoopdy-do.

 

:wink:

 

Perez's 2007 projection:

 

.240 .273 .360

 

I question Lou's intelligence in having him around for so much of ST.

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Cubs leading the CL in starters ERA :shock:

 

Sure, at just under 5.

 

Yes, but the CL is very offense oriented

 

I understand, but it's still not something to brag about.

Apparently you don't. How good you are at something is always relative. If I told you that the Cubs have a 3.41 team ERA, your first line of thought would be that the Cubs had an excellent pitching staff. Suppose after that I told you that it was in the 1968 season and was good for second to last in the league. So in reality they weren't very good.

 

While the Cubs pitching staff has produced a terrible ERA in the sense of our recent season lines, it has produced a very GOOD ERA relative to the pitching environment they're in - which again is the ONLY way of determining how good something is, since good intrinsically includes how everyone else is.

 

Granted, you're more or less right. It does show they've pitched well compared to everyone else, but it also does not mean much because it's open to a huge list of sample size caveats. On the other side of the coin (as of a few days ago the numbers are off the top of my head so dont quote me on them) the Cubs had a team batting average of .311. Great, right? Not so much. They're right in the middle of the Cactus League in AVG, where the league BA is roughly .300 or so. It's relative. You cannot make any conclusions without looking at it like you did.

 

took me quite a few times to read this-- kept getting distracted by the girl in the pic. :D

minnesotacubsfan Chicago Cubs

minnesotacubsfan

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No offense, but why is everyone rejoicing that Cedeno made the team?

 

No Perez.

 

Whoopdy-do.

 

:wink:

 

Perez's 2007 projection:

 

.240 .273 .360

 

I question Lou's intelligence in having him around for so much of ST.

 

Neifi wasnt with the team this spring, was he????

cheapseats ACL Cubs

cheapseats

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No offense, but why is everyone rejoicing that Cedeno made the team?

 

No Perez.

 

Whoopdy-do.

 

:wink:

 

Perez's 2007 projection:

 

.240 .273 .360

 

I question Lou's intelligence in having him around for so much of ST.

 

Neifi wasnt with the team this spring, was he????

 

The mighty TOMAS was.

Bruno7481 ACL Cubs

Bruno7481

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No offense, but why is everyone rejoicing that Cedeno made the team?

 

No Perez.

 

Whoopdy-do.

 

:wink:

 

Perez's 2007 projection:

 

.240 .273 .360

 

I question Lou's intelligence in having him around for so much of ST.

 

What does it matter, he's gone.

 

I doubt Cedeno's projection is much higher.

 

Prove me wrong Ronny.

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