Ouch! Roroworld Disses Marquis

[b_wiggy_66]

What exactly are you guys betting? Money, Tickets, Something else, or just pride?

[sethuel1]

I think the loser should have to shave off and then eat his own body hair.

[Guest]

what's an average starting pitcher's vorp? if we're really doing bets i'd like an all-encompassing stat, not just era, k's, whip, etc.

 

Is Marquis going to be league average in VORP? Yes,

 

you're on

Really hard bet to measure...

 

Do you base it on SP's who qualify based on IP? If so, Marquis is unlikely to be better than average.

 

Do you base it on all SP's who appear for their teams at all? If that's the case, Marquis will pitch enough innings to be well above league average.

 

If both of the extremes are too...extreme...then where do you find the appropriate cutoff?

[A New Era]

 

Wah wah. Want to lay bets on Marquis's season?

 

I was making a joke, for christs sake. I'm on your side. Don't you remember? GilesBros = optomistic about everything!!

 

I was trying to make a tongue in cheeck joke, to break up the name calling. That was uncalled for honestly.

[Rob]

what's an average starting pitcher's vorp? if we're really doing bets i'd like an all-encompassing stat, not just era, k's, whip, etc.

 

Is Marquis going to be league average in VORP? Yes,

 

you're on

Really hard bet to measure...

 

Do you base it on SP's who qualify based on IP? If so, Marquis is unlikely to be better than average.

 

Do you base it on all SP's who appear for their teams at all? If that's the case, Marquis will pitch enough innings to be well above league average.

 

If both of the extremes are too...extreme...then where do you find the appropriate cutoff?

 

The line is drawn to where I would win or lose the bet.

[Laura]

I think the loser should have to shave off and then eat his own body hair.

 

Nah, it should be something the loser wouldn't enjoy.

[rocket]

what's an average starting pitcher's vorp? if we're really doing bets i'd like an all-encompassing stat, not just era, k's, whip, etc.

 

Is Marquis going to be league average in VORP? Yes,

 

you're on

Really hard bet to measure...

 

Do you base it on SP's who qualify based on IP? If so, Marquis is unlikely to be better than average.

 

Do you base it on all SP's who appear for their teams at all? If that's the case, Marquis will pitch enough innings to be well above league average.

 

If both of the extremes are too...extreme...then where do you find the appropriate cutoff?

 

i'd say, unless richhillisabeast disagrees, that it should be among qualified starters based on ip.

 

and i don't know what the terms of the bet are. how about the loser has to use an avatar and a signature of the winner's choice for a month, or something like that.

[RichHillIsABeast]

 

Wah wah. Want to lay bets on Marquis's season?

 

I was making a joke, for christs sake. I'm on your side. Don't you remember? GilesBros = optomistic about everything!!

 

I was trying to make a tongue in cheeck joke, to break up the name calling. That was uncalled for honestly.

 

:lol: I was just playing with the pessimist here. No offense to you, mi amigo. :oops:

[Drew Doughty]

How about the bet is if Marquis can crack a 95 ERA+.

 

Fair?

[A New Era]

Marquis will post a .95 ERA and go on to win the Cy Young. :lol:

[David]

I want in on the Marquis being a terrible pitcher action too.

[frostwyrm]

Right after Marquis signed I wrote that I thought it was very questionable whether he would even still be in baseball in 2009, when he earns just shy of $10 mil. He's not doing anything to change my mind.

[CubColtPacer]

Right after Marquis signed I wrote that I thought it was very questionable whether he would even still be in baseball in 2009, when he earns just shy of $10 mil. He's not doing anything to change my mind.

 

You say that after 3 good/great starts (if you count the one in the minors, where people said he looked very good), 1 average one and 1 terrible one? That's a tough critic.

[CubsLadyinSTL]

I am going to start taking my grandmothers approach to baseball. I like Marquis because a) he's not a Cardinal (anymore) and b) he wears his pants and socks old school style.

 

I also met him once in St. Louis and he was pretty cool.

 

 

 

 

As for pitching, I go so far as to say I would have rather seen Prior throw against the Rangers.

[Soul]

Marquis got sloppy. Fastballs on hitter's counts? DUMB.

 

Marquis is better than that.

 

Is he?

 

Yes.

 

His history tends to say otherwise. But, at times, he has been better than that.

 

Marquis is a big risk the Cubs are taking. That's really the bottom line. If it pays off, I'll be the first one who cheers.

[CoolHandLuke]

 

Wah wah. Want to lay bets on Marquis's season?

 

I was making a joke, for christs sake. I'm on your side. Don't you remember? GilesBros = optomistic about everything!!

 

I was trying to make a tongue in cheeck joke, to break up the name calling. That was uncalled for honestly.

 

:lol: I was just playing with the realist here. No offense to you, mi amigo. :oops:

 

I think that's what you mean.

[goonys evil twin]

I don't know what's going on with this bet, but if anybody wants to put the over/under on Marquis' ERA+ at 100, I'll take the under.

[CubColtPacer]

This is an interesting discussion. I wouldn't feel very confident putting anything either way, especially if people are talking about ERA+. In 3 of the 5 years Marquis had above 10 starts he's had above a 100 ERA+, in 2 of them he did not.

I can certainly understand why in the bullpen he was awful-with his propensity to either be good and continue to be good for several innings, or be awful right out of the gate, that doesn't lead itself to a bullpen pitcher very well because it minimizes his good outings by only getting 1 inning of good work and still does most of the damage of the bad ones. So I'm willing to dismiss that little bit of work in the bullpen as pretty irrelevant to his starting career.

 

So-his last year was under 100, 2 out of the past 3 years he was above 100, only 2 out of the last 4, but 3 out of his 5. He could easily go either way next year, and I wouldn't be willing to lay odds either way, especially after seeing evidence of both sides of him so far in ST.

[Laura]

Hendry took the action at 3/$21M.

[Sammy Sofa]

Right after Marquis signed I wrote that I thought it was very questionable whether he would even still be in baseball in 2009, when he earns just shy of $10 mil. He's not doing anything to change my mind.

 

You say that after 3 good/great starts (if you count the one in the minors, where people said he looked very good), 1 average one and 1 terrible one? That's a tough critic.

 

I think we're basing it more on the previous multiple season of medicore to bad pitching. The sample size is on the side of the doubters.

[CubColtPacer]

Right after Marquis signed I wrote that I thought it was very questionable whether he would even still be in baseball in 2009, when he earns just shy of $10 mil. He's not doing anything to change my mind.

 

You say that after 3 good/great starts (if you count the one in the minors, where people said he looked very good), 1 average one and 1 terrible one? That's a tough critic.

 

I think we're basing it more on the previous multiple season of medicore to bad pitching. The sample size is on the side of the doubters.

 

I'm just saying that this last part that I put in bold implies that he's been doing poorly all of ST, and that's simply not true. If I could take his 5 starts and replicate it again and again (including the horrible one and the minor league one that didn't go in the statistics) I would gladly do it.

[baseball7897]

I want in on this. Im pretty confident Marquis will have a pretty good year in 07.

[David]

I want in on this. Im pretty confident Marquis will have a pretty good year in 07.

 

If by, "pretty good," you mean average at best (but more than likely below average), I would have to agree with you.

[hardcorecubfan]

Roroworld? is this the official website of Scooby-Doo?

 

Good one :lol:

[CubinNY]

We will have to go with an over/under here.

 

Someone needs to determine what metric and what number will equal mediocore. I nominate Tim.

 

Take the over and you are betting that Marquis will be good

Take the under and you are betting that Marqui will not be good

 

Whatever the metric and whatever the number, I'm taking the under.