3/8ST-Cubs (Miller) v Pads (Maddux) 2:05CT, XM177

[98navigator]

Hoffpauir is hitting well too. 7-5 Cubs

[ToupeeOnFire]

Hoffpauir doubles in Tomas Perez.

[sweetpeteman]

Ward and Hoffpaur went back to back with doubles, 7 - 5 Cubs.

[sweetpeteman]

Okay, now I gotta go.

[Jehrico]

Why is it an earned run when there were 2 outs and an error?

 

He gave up a homer with the bases juiced

 

Izzy with another hit

 

Woodchip is right. Any runs scored after there are two outs and there has been an error (where the guy didn't later get out) should be unearned.

 

Intuitively, it makes sense.

 

I disagree. An argument could easily be made that the batter (after the error) has nothing to do with the previous hitter. IMO, that run should be on Woody.

 

Batter that hit the HR would not have batted in the inning had the error not been committed.

 

yeah but he would have batted the next inning. The men on base should be unearned. I know that's not how its scored, but it should be. A home run is at least one run no matter what inning its hit in.

 

The reason its not scored that way is because who knows where you draw the line? How many would be earned with an error followed by a triple followed by a single.

What if that batter was in the ninth inning? had the batter came in the next inning, he would have faced another pitcher, and may not have still hit that homer.

[Bull]

Ward and Hoffpaur went back to back with doubles, 7 - 5 Cubs.

 

Ward or Perez?

[Lefty]

If they don't end up changing those statistics from the box score, remember this game when looking at Wood's ERA this spring-with the amount of innings that he is likely to throw, those 4 runs are going to be a huge difference to his overall numbers for the spring.

 

You can't look at RA or ERA. Miller gave up 8 baserunners in 3 innings. I don't care if he only gave up a run. His performance was "Prioresque."

[98navigator]

It's nice to see another team having errors

[98navigator]

Ward and Hoffpaur went back to back with doubles, 7 - 5 Cubs.

 

Ward or Perez?

 

Perez

[Bull]

Why is it an earned run when there were 2 outs and an error?

 

He gave up a homer with the bases juiced

 

Izzy with another hit

 

Woodchip is right. Any runs scored after there are two outs and there has been an error (where the guy didn't later get out) should be unearned.

 

Intuitively, it makes sense.

 

I disagree. An argument could easily be made that the batter (after the error) has nothing to do with the previous hitter. IMO, that run should be on Woody.

 

Batter that hit the HR would not have batted in the inning had the error not been committed.

 

yeah but he would have batted the next inning. The men on base should be unearned. I know that's not how its scored, but it should be. A home run is at least one run no matter what inning its hit in.

 

The reason its not scored that way is because who knows where you draw the line? How many would be earned with an error followed by a triple followed by a single.

What if that batter was in the ninth inning? had the batter came in the next inning, he would have faced another pitcher, and may not have still hit that homer.

 

good point. Just shows why ERA is not as good a stat as WHIP

[Bull]

Walker takes on for the team. Bases loaded HBP scores a run.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Bases clogged for Chris Walker.

[CubColtPacer]

If they don't end up changing those statistics from the box score, remember this game when looking at Wood's ERA this spring-with the amount of innings that he is likely to throw, those 4 runs are going to be a huge difference to his overall numbers for the spring.

 

You can't look at RA or ERA. Miller gave up 8 baserunners in 3 innings. I don't care if he only gave up a run. His performance was "Prioresque."

 

I wouldn't call it "Prioresque" but I did say earlier that Miller had a subpar performance helped out by a great defense. My point about Wood also was that he might have a much higher ERA than what he truly deserves from how well he pitched, and that to remember this game of why his ERA was artificially higher than it should be.

[98navigator]

EPatt PH

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Can anyone else do PBP please? Thanks!!

[98navigator]

YUCK 1-2-3 DP

[Bull]

EPatt 1-2-3 DP

Inning over

[CaliforniaRaisin]

                       1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9   R  H  E
                      -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -
 CHICAGO CUBS         0  2  0   3  0  0   1  1      7 13  1
 SAN DIEGO            0  1  0   4  0  0   0         5  8  3    (MID 8)

Cubs                 IP  H  R ER BB SO HBP HR
---------------------------------------------
Wade Miller         3.0  6  1  1  2  2  0   1
Kerry Wood          1.0  1  4  0  0  3  1   1
Jason Anderson      2.0  1  0  0  1  3  0   0
Carmen Pignatiello  1.0  0  0  0  0  1  0   0  

    HOME RUNS:  SD - G. BLUM (OFF MILLER), T. SLEDGE (GS, OFF WOOD)
                CUBS - D. WARD (OFF HOFFMAN)
    DOUBLES: B. COATS, B. DOPIRAK, T. PEREZ, M. HOFFPAUIR
    ERROR: C. IZTURIS

Edited March 8, 2007 by CaliforniaRaisin

[Bull]

Can anyone else do PBP please? Thanks!!

 

Not I. Getting ready to leave.

[Lefty]

If they don't end up changing those statistics from the box score, remember this game when looking at Wood's ERA this spring-with the amount of innings that he is likely to throw, those 4 runs are going to be a huge difference to his overall numbers for the spring.

 

You can't look at RA or ERA. Miller gave up 8 baserunners in 3 innings. I don't care if he only gave up a run. His performance was "Prioresque."

 

I wouldn't call it "Prioresque" but I did say earlier that Miller had a subpar performance helped out by a great defense. My point about Wood also was that he might have a much higher ERA than what he truly deserves from how well he pitched, and that to remember this game of why his ERA was artificially higher than it should be.

 

ERA needs a decent sample size. That's why you have pitchers, even starters, have the same peripheral stats in consecutive years with more than a point difference in ERA. Only in the last few years have the rigors of Statistics 101 been applied to baseball stats. There is a lot of noise.

[Omar]

Just came home.. How did Maddux look today?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Can anyone else do PBP please? Thanks!!

 

Not I. Getting ready to leave.

 

Way to be a team player. ;)

[Bull]

Can anyone else do PBP please? Thanks!!

 

Not I. Getting ready to leave.

 

Way to be a team player. ;)

 

Not everyone has the drive and dedication to be a hall of famer.

[Brian]

i'll take over PBP

[CubColtPacer]

If they don't end up changing those statistics from the box score, remember this game when looking at Wood's ERA this spring-with the amount of innings that he is likely to throw, those 4 runs are going to be a huge difference to his overall numbers for the spring.

 

You can't look at RA or ERA. Miller gave up 8 baserunners in 3 innings. I don't care if he only gave up a run. His performance was "Prioresque."

 

I wouldn't call it "Prioresque" but I did say earlier that Miller had a subpar performance helped out by a great defense. My point about Wood also was that he might have a much higher ERA than what he truly deserves from how well he pitched, and that to remember this game of why his ERA was artificially higher than it should be.

 

ERA needs a decent sample size. That's why you have pitchers, even starters, have the same peripheral stats in consecutive years with more than a point difference in ERA. Only in the last few years have the rigors of Statistics 101 been applied to baseball stats. There is a lot of noise.

 

That's exactly what I meant in the first place.