3/8ST-Cubs (Miller) v Pads (Maddux) 2:05CT, XM177

[98navigator]

They are talking about Ronny now :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Guest]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Really? I don't have any emotional attachment to anyone in the pen (except Kerry). I just want people who will get outs... I know Wuertz has been good but he'll have to prove himself with a new manager; he's not the type of player with a guaranteed spot. Speaking of which, I read yesterday that Ohman's spot may be up for grabs.

Can you justify how someone like Cotts has a guaranteed spot, but Wuertz doesn't?

[VanceJergins]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Agreed. I can see it happening but I would not like it.

 

I don't see it as a huge deal-even if it happens, if one of the relievers starts struggling Lou will ask for Wuertz very, very quickly-he's not going to languish in the minors while people in the majors struggle for long periods this year.

 

I just think he's definitely proved himself the past couple years.

[A New Era]

4 in a row.....can you say dynasty?

 

4 in a row, after Lou lit a fire. Hopefully that means no 7-8 game losing streaks of the Dusty era :D

 

Well, unless he waits UNTIL the team looses 8 games before having a "talk" (IE: like dusty did). Dusty did it leading to a winning streak. However he just waited to long to do it. LOL.

[A New Era]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Really? I don't have any emotional attachment to anyone in the pen (except Kerry). I just want people who will get outs... I know Wuertz has been good but he'll have to prove himself with a new manager; he's not the type of player with a guaranteed spot. Speaking of which, I read yesterday that Ohman's spot may be up for grabs.

Can you justify how someone like Cotts has a guaranteed spot, but Wuertz doesn't?

 

Not me. If it were me, Cotts would go to AAA. He hasn't proven a thing in ST. Except that he is still no good.

[CubColtPacer]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Really? I don't have any emotional attachment to anyone in the pen (except Kerry). I just want people who will get outs... I know Wuertz has been good but he'll have to prove himself with a new manager; he's not the type of player with a guaranteed spot. Speaking of which, I read yesterday that Ohman's spot may be up for grabs.

Can you justify how someone like Cotts has a guaranteed spot, but Wuertz doesn't?

 

Not me. If it were me, Cotts would go to AAA. He hasn't proven a thing in ST. Except that he is still no good.

 

Does Cotts have an option left?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Yes.

[CubColtPacer]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Agreed. I can see it happening but I would not like it.

 

I don't see it as a huge deal-even if it happens, if one of the relievers starts struggling Lou will ask for Wuertz very, very quickly-he's not going to languish in the minors while people in the majors struggle for long periods this year.

 

I just think he's definitely proved himself the past couple years.

 

Oh, I do too-he's good enough to be on the major league ballclub, that's for sure. I just don't think it's going to be a very big difference to the Cubs ballclub if somebody like Cherry makes the team and then Wuertz gets recalled for him if he starts struggling.

[YearofDaCubs]

We have too many leftys in pen IMO. Cotts, Eyre, and Ohman. I think we only need 2.

[CubColtPacer]

Yes.

 

Hmm-well, that does make things a little easier for Wuertz. Now the only hurdle that Cotts has over him is that he can spot start, which nobody else in the bullpen will be able to do and Lou seems to like possibly having that option in case a starter gets hurt for a short period of time.

[cubweiser03]

So is Cotts going to make it because he would be the 'long man'. Ohman just signed a 2 year deal for over $2M, he's on the team. 3 lefties in the pen, dont think anyone else has that. Cherry is doing well but he belongs starting the season in AAA as the closer. He'll get his chance, someone will go the DL sooner or later and poof he'll be in the big show.

[98navigator]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Really? I don't have any emotional attachment to anyone in the pen (except Kerry). I just want people who will get outs... I know Wuertz has been good but he'll have to prove himself with a new manager; he's not the type of player with a guaranteed spot. Speaking of which, I read yesterday that Ohman's spot may be up for grabs.

Can you justify how someone like Cotts has a guaranteed spot, but Wuertz doesn't?

 

It's not about me justifying it, I'm just telling you what Lou said about Rocky Cherry. It shouldn't be lost on anyone that Piniella continues to call on the guy in pressure spots (and he keeps delivering). The way I see it, Cotts has more versatility because he can start and go long (I think that's why the Cubs like him as well). As it stands, Wuertz has to fight to stay, Novoa is on the outside looking, and Ohman's spot might be available (if you believe Sullivan).

[cubweiser03]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Really? I don't have any emotional attachment to anyone in the pen (except Kerry). I just want people who will get outs... I know Wuertz has been good but he'll have to prove himself with a new manager; he's not the type of player with a guaranteed spot. Speaking of which, I read yesterday that Ohman's spot may be up for grabs.

Can you justify how someone like Cotts has a guaranteed spot, but Wuertz doesn't?

 

It's not about me justifying it, I'm just telling you what Lou said about Rocky Cherry. It shouldn't be lost on anyone that Piniella continues to call on the guy in pressure spots (and he keeps delivering). The way I see it, Cotts has more versatility because he can start and go long (I think that's why the Cubs like him as well). As it stands, Wuertz has to fight to stay, Novoa is on the outside looking, and Ohman's spot might be available (if you believe Sullivan).

 

Cherry is also is situation where all the MLB players on the opposing team are sitting on the bench. He really hasnt faced anyone yet.

[98navigator]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Really? I don't have any emotional attachment to anyone in the pen (except Kerry). I just want people who will get outs... I know Wuertz has been good but he'll have to prove himself with a new manager; he's not the type of player with a guaranteed spot. Speaking of which, I read yesterday that Ohman's spot may be up for grabs.

Can you justify how someone like Cotts has a guaranteed spot, but Wuertz doesn't?

 

It's not about me justifying it, I'm just telling you what Lou said about Rocky Cherry. It shouldn't be lost on anyone that Piniella continues to call on the guy in pressure spots (and he keeps delivering). The way I see it, Cotts has more versatility because he can start and go long (I think that's why the Cubs like him as well). As it stands, Wuertz has to fight to stay, Novoa is on the outside looking, and Ohman's spot might be available (if you believe Sullivan).

 

Cherry is also is situation where all the MLB players on the opposing team are sitting on the bench. He really hasnt faced anyone yet.

 

That's not completely true and really it isn't going to mean anything if Lou decides he makes the team.

[cubweiser03]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Really? I don't have any emotional attachment to anyone in the pen (except Kerry). I just want people who will get outs... I know Wuertz has been good but he'll have to prove himself with a new manager; he's not the type of player with a guaranteed spot. Speaking of which, I read yesterday that Ohman's spot may be up for grabs.

Can you justify how someone like Cotts has a guaranteed spot, but Wuertz doesn't?

 

It's not about me justifying it, I'm just telling you what Lou said about Rocky Cherry. It shouldn't be lost on anyone that Piniella continues to call on the guy in pressure spots (and he keeps delivering). The way I see it, Cotts has more versatility because he can start and go long (I think that's why the Cubs like him as well). As it stands, Wuertz has to fight to stay, Novoa is on the outside looking, and Ohman's spot might be available (if you believe Sullivan).

 

Cherry is also is situation where all the MLB players on the opposing team are sitting on the bench. He really hasnt faced anyone yet.

 

That's not completely true and really it isn't going to mean anything if Lou decides he makes the team.

 

It matters in how you review his accomplishments now.

[98navigator]

I'll say again, the the thousandth time, I think Rocky is going to make this team!

 

I don't know if there is room.

 

Lou likes him. I don't think there's going to be room for Wuertz.

 

That would be a catastrophic mistake.

 

Really? I don't have any emotional attachment to anyone in the pen (except Kerry). I just want people who will get outs... I know Wuertz has been good but he'll have to prove himself with a new manager; he's not the type of player with a guaranteed spot. Speaking of which, I read yesterday that Ohman's spot may be up for grabs.

Can you justify how someone like Cotts has a guaranteed spot, but Wuertz doesn't?

 

It's not about me justifying it, I'm just telling you what Lou said about Rocky Cherry. It shouldn't be lost on anyone that Piniella continues to call on the guy in pressure spots (and he keeps delivering). The way I see it, Cotts has more versatility because he can start and go long (I think that's why the Cubs like him as well). As it stands, Wuertz has to fight to stay, Novoa is on the outside looking, and Ohman's spot might be available (if you believe Sullivan).

 

Cherry is also is situation where all the MLB players on the opposing team are sitting on the bench. He really hasnt faced anyone yet.

 

That's not completely true and really it isn't going to mean anything if Lou decides he makes the team.

 

It matters in how you review his accomplishments now.

 

I understand the argument. However, if every manager followed this train of thought there would be little need to have MiLs in camp much less NRIs.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The official box score has no error for Izturis, so all 4 runs charged to Wood are earned:

 

CACTUS  FINAL
                      1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9   R  H  E
                      -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -
 CHICAGO CUBS         0  2  0   3  0  0   1  2  0   8 14  0
 SAN DIEGO            0  1  0   4  0  0   0  1  0   6 11  4   FINAL

                 WP - JASON ANDERSON (1-0)
                 LP - TREVOR HOFFMAN (0-1)
               SAVE - ROCKY CHERRY (2)


    HOME RUNS:  CHN - DARYLE WARD (1) OFF TREVOR HOFFMAN IN THE 7TH
                SDG - GEOFF BLUM (1) OFF WADE MILLER IN THE 2ND
                      TERRMEL SLEDGE (3) OFF KERRY WOOD IN THE 4TH

         TIME: 2:41                   ATT: 5,239

Box Score

CHICAGO CUBS (8) AT SAN DIEGO (6)

CHICAGO CUBS     AB  R  H BI  SAN DIEGO        AB  R  H BI
F Pie cf          5  0  2  2  T Sledge rf       4  1  2  4
R Theriot 2b      3  0  1  0  M Venable rf      1  0  0  0
R Cedeno ss       0  0  0  0  T Walker 2b       3  0  1  0
M Murton lf       4  0  0  0  C Stansberry 2b-3 1  0  0  0
C Walker lf       0  0  0  1  K Cameron cf      2  0  0  0
D Ward 1b         4  1  1  1  A Shabala cf      1  0  0  0
C Pignatiello p   0  0  0  0  J Bard c          4  0  2  0
E Patterson ph    1  0  0  0  N Hundley pr-c    0  1  0  0
L Walrond p       0  0  0  0  G Blum 1b         4  2  2  1
R Cherry p        0  0  0  0  S Strickland p    0  0  0  0
M Kinkade 3b      4  0  0  0  K Kouzmanoff 3b   2  1  1  0
C McGehee 3b      1  0  0  0  S Linebrink p     0  0  0  0
B Coats rf        5  2  3  0  T Hoffman p       0  0  0  0
H Blanco c        3  1  1  0  L Rosales p       0  0  0  0
G Soto c          2  0  0  0  L Cruz ph-2b      0  0  0  1
C Izturis ss      3  1  2  1  P McAnulty lf     2  0  0  0
T Perez 2b        1  1  1  0  J Cust lf         1  0  1  0
W Miller p        1  0  1  0  R Robles ss       4  0  1  0
B Dopirak ph      1  1  1  1  G Maddux p        0  0  0  0
K Wood p          0  0  0  0  L Carlin ph       1  0  1  0
J Anderson p      1  0  0  0  E Burke p         0  0  0  0
M Hoffpauir 1b    2  1  1  1  P LaForest ph     1  1  0  0
                              C Meredith p      0  0  0  0
                              R Huffman 3b-1b   2  0  0  0
TOTALS           41  8 14  7  TOTALS           33  6 11  6

CHICAGO CUBS              020 300 120 --  8
SAN DIEGO                 010 400 010 --  6

E--G Blum 2, R Huffman, C Stansberry. DP--CHICAGO
CUBS 1, SAN DIEGO 1. LOB--CHICAGO CUBS 10, SAN
DIEGO 5. 2B--T Perez, B Coats, B Dopirak, J Bard,
K Kouzmanoff. HR--D Ward 1 (1) (off T Hoffman), G
Blum 1 (1) (off W Miller), T Sledge 1 (3) (off K
Wood). SB--R Theriot 1 (1), B Coats 1 (1). CS--T
Sledge, P McAnulty. SF--L Cruz.
                                  IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  HR
 CHICAGO CUBS
W Miller                           3   6   1   1   2   2   1
K Wood                             1   2   4   4   0   3   1
J Anderson (W,1-0)                 2   1   0   0   1   3   0
C Pignatiello                      1   0   0   0   0   1   0
L Walrond                          1   2   1   1   0   1   0
R Cherry (S,2)                     1   0   0   0   0   1   0
 SAN DIEGO
G Maddux                           3   5   2   2   0   1   0
E Burke                            1   4   3   2   1   0   0
C Meredith                         1   0   0   0   0   1   0
S Linebrink                        1   1   0   0   0   0   0
T Hoffman (L,0-1)                  1   1   1   1   0   1   1
L Rosales                          1   2   2   1   1   0   0
S Strickland                       1   1   0   0   1   2   0

WP--K Wood. HBP--C Walker by L Rosales, K
Kouzmanoff by K Wood. SO--CHN: D Ward, M Kinkade,
G Soto, B Coats, M Hoffpauir. SDG: R Huffman 2, P
McAnulty 2, G Blum, T Walker, A Shabala, R Robles,
K Kouzmanoff, J Bard, P LaForest. BB--CHN: T
Perez, R Cedeno, R Theriot. SDG: T Walker, K
Cameron, P McAnulty. T--2:41. A--5,239.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

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Izturis

 

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Wood

 

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Blanco tags out Kouzmanoff

 

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Maddux warming up in the Padres' pen

 

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Maddux

[98navigator]

The official box score has no error for Izturis, so all 4 runs charged to Wood are earned

 

Poor Woody. I wonder if it would have been scored that way in Mesa?

[Brian]

Yeah looks like they are all earned, but cubs.com already has an article up where Woody says it was a better outing for him than his first inning of work on Monday where he went 1-2-3

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070308&content_id=1834495&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[CubColtPacer]

The official box score has no error for Izturis, so all 4 runs charged to Wood are earned

 

Poor Woody. I wonder if it would have been scored that way in Mesa?

 

From the description of the play, it would have been the same way-it was a bloop apparently that Izturis couldn't get to. Especially if it didn't hit his glove (which from the story, it doesn't sound like it did) they would usually never call it an error.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The official box score has no error for Izturis, so all 4 runs charged to Wood are earned

 

Poor Woody. I wonder if it would have been scored that way in Mesa?

 

From the description of the play, it would have been the same way-it was a bloop apparently that Izturis couldn't get to. Especially if it didn't hit his glove (which from the story, it doesn't sound like it did) they would usually never call it an error.

 

There goes that Izturis, driving in runs with his glove again.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Who cares how it was scored? Woody didn't pitch particularly well.

 

He's not going to be judged on his ST numbers. Woody's stuff is still great. More innings should cure his wildness (relatively speaking).

[98navigator]

The official box score has no error for Izturis, so all 4 runs charged to Wood are earned

 

Poor Woody. I wonder if it would have been scored that way in Mesa?

 

From the description of the play, it would have been the same way-it was a bloop apparently that Izturis couldn't get to. Especially if it didn't hit his glove (which from the story, it doesn't sound like it did) they would usually never call it an error.

 

The live description was that it should have been an error on Izturis.

[98navigator]

Who cares how it was scored? Woody didn't pitch particularly well.

 

He's not going to be judged on his ST numbers. Woody's stuff is still great. More innings should cure his wildness (relatively speaking).

 

The scoring matters in boarder terms (Spring Training notwithstanding). It is hard to argue definitively because there was no video but the broadcasters both believed that an error should have been recorded. Kerry didn't pitch well overall but, from the sound of things, there were plays on the field that contributed to runs scoring.