Darin Erstad to the White Sox

[Guest]

I just want to see somebody come in here and argue it's a good signing for the Sox. :lol:

Erstad got a lot of hits one year and used to be a great fielder.

 

That's all I've got.

 

 

How about if Brad Maynard gets hurts---god forbid (knock on wood)---maybe Erstad can do some emergency punting for the Bears?

[baseball7897]

He is taking over the role Ross Gload had the past few years. Not that bad of a deal for the White Sox if he is actually used correctly. Erstad will become Hawk's new found love.

[Chocolate Milk]

Steve Stone is a big fan of this deal.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Steve Stone is a big fan of this deal.

 

That's the best avatar I've ever seen, and ever will see.

[USSoccer]

Steve Stone is a big fan of this deal.

 

Which tells you why no one should be a fan of Steve Stone, Major League GM.

[mg420]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

[USSoccer]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

[mg420]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

 

i would have to say that anyone that makes it to the majors is "good at baseball". he has a career .756 ops and played very good defense before he was injured. williams signings & trades have done pretty well in the recent past (including podsenik whom you most likely put in the same catagory as erstad) and perhaps he knows a little more about baseball than we do.

[frostwyrm]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

 

i would have to say that anyone that makes it to the majors is "good at baseball". he has a career .756 ops and played very good defense before he was injured. williams signings & trades have done pretty well in the recent past (including podsenik whom you most likely put in the same catagory as erstad) and perhaps he knows a little more about baseball than we do.

You're not going to win any arguments around here if you try to portray career numbers as being indicative of the future performance of a player who is obviously way past his prime. Also, you'll have trouble convincing anyone that a GM of a winning team is incapable of making a plainly dumb move. Case in point: the Tigers made the World Series and were still dumb enough to acquire Neifi Perez and his $2.5 million salary.

[USSoccer]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

 

i would have to say that anyone that makes it to the majors is "good at baseball". he has a career .756 ops and played very good defense before he was injured. williams signings & trades have done pretty well in the recent past (including podsenik whom you most likely put in the same catagory as erstad) and perhaps he knows a little more about baseball than we do.

 

I love the whole "he knows more about baseball than we do" argument. It's probably the weakest argument ever used around here and elsewhere.

 

Erstad is a 32 year old who hasn't had above a .750 OPS in 6 seasons. He hasn't been good at baseball since 2000. Just because he has a "hard nosed" reputation and a name people have heard of doesn't mean that he's any good anymore.

[Chocolate Milk]

Steve Stone is a big fan of this deal.

 

That's the best avatar I've ever seen, and ever will see.

 

Thanks, bud.

[abuck1220]

FJM loves it!

[mg420]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

 

i would have to say that anyone that makes it to the majors is "good at baseball". he has a career .756 ops and played very good defense before he was injured. williams signings & trades have done pretty well in the recent past (including podsenik whom you most likely put in the same catagory as erstad) and perhaps he knows a little more about baseball than we do.

 

I love the whole "he knows more about baseball than we do" argument. It's probably the weakest argument ever used around here and elsewhere.

 

Erstad is a 32 year old who hasn't had above a .750 OPS in 6 seasons. He hasn't been good at baseball since 2000. Just because he has a "hard nosed" reputation and a name people have heard of doesn't mean that he's any good anymore.

 

i guess you know more about baseball than kenny williams and billy beane.

 

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070112&content_id=1778276&vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

[mg420]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

 

i would have to say that anyone that makes it to the majors is "good at baseball". he has a career .756 ops and played very good defense before he was injured. williams signings & trades have done pretty well in the recent past (including podsenik whom you most likely put in the same catagory as erstad) and perhaps he knows a little more about baseball than we do.

You're not going to win any arguments around here if you try to portray career numbers as being indicative of the future performance of a player who is obviously way past his prime. Also, you'll have trouble convincing anyone that a GM of a winning team is incapable of making a plainly dumb move. Case in point: the Tigers made the World Series and were still dumb enough to acquire Neifi Perez and his $2.5 million salary.

i thought the point of this board was to discuss baseball and peoples opinions on it. hindsight will tell if it was a good move or not. it's kind of difficult to judge a player or a team in january.

[USSoccer]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

 

i would have to say that anyone that makes it to the majors is "good at baseball". he has a career .756 ops and played very good defense before he was injured. williams signings & trades have done pretty well in the recent past (including podsenik whom you most likely put in the same catagory as erstad) and perhaps he knows a little more about baseball than we do.

 

I love the whole "he knows more about baseball than we do" argument. It's probably the weakest argument ever used around here and elsewhere.

 

Erstad is a 32 year old who hasn't had above a .750 OPS in 6 seasons. He hasn't been good at baseball since 2000. Just because he has a "hard nosed" reputation and a name people have heard of doesn't mean that he's any good anymore.

 

i guess you know more about baseball than kenny williams and billy beane.

 

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070112&content_id=1778276&vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

 

Again: Debunking an argument by attempting to belittle the posters knowledge of baseball when compared to GM's or people who "played the game" isn't an effective method of arguing your point.

 

He's an injury prone, ineffective, overpaid baseball player who has gotten by for the past few years on the reputation of tenacity and toughness more than the quality of his play. He's not a good baseball player, and unless he signed for an incredibly low amount of money, will be vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table.

 

Can you offer any supporting evidence to contradict my argument, other than the fact that I'm not a major league GM?

[mg420]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

 

i would have to say that anyone that makes it to the majors is "good at baseball". he has a career .756 ops and played very good defense before he was injured. williams signings & trades have done pretty well in the recent past (including podsenik whom you most likely put in the same catagory as erstad) and perhaps he knows a little more about baseball than we do.

 

I love the whole "he knows more about baseball than we do" argument. It's probably the weakest argument ever used around here and elsewhere.

 

Erstad is a 32 year old who hasn't had above a .750 OPS in 6 seasons. He hasn't been good at baseball since 2000. Just because he has a "hard nosed" reputation and a name people have heard of doesn't mean that he's any good anymore.

 

i guess you know more about baseball than kenny williams and billy beane.

 

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070112&content_id=1778276&vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

 

Again: Debunking an argument by attempting to belittle the posters knowledge of baseball when compared to GM's or people who "played the game" isn't an effective method of arguing your point.

 

He's an injury prone, ineffective, overpaid baseball player who has gotten by for the past few years on the reputation of tenacity and toughness more than the quality of his play. He's not a good baseball player, and unless he signed for an incredibly low amount of money, will be vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table.

 

Can you offer any supporting evidence to contradict my argument, other than the fact that I'm not a major league GM?

 

ok. you win. erstad is bad because you say he is. he is guaranteed to have a bad season and be a complete waste of payroll. even if he hits .280 with a .745 ops he'll be horrible because he didnt reach .750. unless a player wins the gold glove and silver slugger they are just bad players with no chance to contribute.

[RationalSoxFan]

unless he was being sarcastic, will carroll said yesterday on sports central that he thought it was a good move too. when the sox traded lee for scott p, most people thought that was a bust too but podsenik had a good year and helped the sox win the series. if erstad can stay healthy and put up #'s like he did in 2004, it will be a good deal for the sox.

 

HIs 2004 was an abberrational year. He's not good at baseball. No team with any sort of minor league system should ever sign a player like Erstad to sit on the bench. He's a waste of money and a roster spot for any team.

 

That said, thanks are in order to Kenny Williams for taking a player I was afraid Hendry would target.

 

i would have to say that anyone that makes it to the majors is "good at baseball". he has a career .756 ops and played very good defense before he was injured. williams signings & trades have done pretty well in the recent past (including podsenik whom you most likely put in the same catagory as erstad) and perhaps he knows a little more about baseball than we do.

 

I love the whole "he knows more about baseball than we do" argument. It's probably the weakest argument ever used around here and elsewhere.

 

Erstad is a 32 year old who hasn't had above a .750 OPS in 6 seasons. He hasn't been good at baseball since 2000. Just because he has a "hard nosed" reputation and a name people have heard of doesn't mean that he's any good anymore.

 

i guess you know more about baseball than kenny williams and billy beane.

 

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070112&content_id=1778276&vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

 

Again: Debunking an argument by attempting to belittle the posters knowledge of baseball when compared to GM's or people who "played the game" isn't an effective method of arguing your point.

 

He's an injury prone, ineffective, overpaid baseball player who has gotten by for the past few years on the reputation of tenacity and toughness more than the quality of his play. He's not a good baseball player, and unless he signed for an incredibly low amount of money, will be vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table.

 

Can you offer any supporting evidence to contradict my argument, other than the fact that I'm not a major league GM?

 

ok. you win. erstad is bad because you say he is. he is guaranteed to have a bad season and be a complete waste of payroll. even if he hits .280 with a .745 ops he'll be horrible because he didnt reach .750. unless a player wins the gold glove and silver slugger they are just bad players with no chance to contribute.

He hasn't even been league average once in the last five seasons. Most of them he was well below league average.

 

Lose the attitude.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

ok. you win. erstad is bad because you say he is. he is guaranteed to have a bad season and be a complete waste of payroll. even if he hits .280 with a .745 ops he'll be horrible because he didnt reach .750. unless a player wins the gold glove and silver slugger they are just bad players with no chance to contribute.

 

This also says he's bad.

[sethuel1]

yeah, if he wins the gold glove that'll really change my mind

[imb]

yeah, if he wins the gold glove that'll really change my mind

 

is he in the running? that changed my mind already.

[USSoccer]

 

ok. you win. erstad is bad because you say he is. he is guaranteed to have a bad season and be a complete waste of payroll. even if he hits .280 with a .745 ops he'll be horrible because he didnt reach .750. unless a player wins the gold glove and silver slugger they are just bad players with no chance to contribute.

 

Dude, Erstad isn't bad because I say he's bad, he's bad because he isn't very good at baseball. If he hits .280 I'll be stunned, because he's done that twice in the last 6 seasons. If he OPS's .750 I'll be more stunned, because he's also only had an OPS above .700 twice in the last 6 seasons, and one of those 2 was a .702 OPS.

 

I don't think I need to explain why the Gold Glove and Silver Slugger awards are meaningless crap.

 

Again, do you have anything at all other than your dismissive tone to suggest Erstad isn't terrible? I'm still waiting.

[Soul]

The only thing I would say is, KW has this history of signing guys like this and having them become decent contributors.

 

I don't like where Erstad is heading either, though. Look at his numbers lately----he's been real marginal. Is he going to be Anderson's replacement? I suppose he offers a bit of an improvement there, but not much and his career is winding down.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The only thing I would say is, KW has this history of signing guys like this and having them become decent contributors.

 

Like who?

[soapy]

The only thing I would say is, KW has this history of signing guys like this and having them become decent contributors.

 

Like who?

 

I was about to ask the same question. Podsednick(I can't spell)? Meh...not really.

[Derwood]

The best thing about Erstad is that he spells his first name correctly.

 

/not that I'm sensitivie about that or anything