Prior and Miller working with Tom House

[CuseCubFan69]

I've read Houses book, watched his video and had friends go to his clinic in SD. He knows his stuff but I don't like his usage of "supplements" to help pitchers in their recovery time.

[YearofDaCubs]

I've read Houses book, watched his video and had friends go to his clinic in SD. He knows his stuff but I don't like his usage of "supplements" to help pitchers in their recovery time.

What supplements did he recommend? Just like working out and training the body needs time to heal and recover.

[UK1679666180]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

[mg420]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

 

size does not = velocity. flash gordon is 5'8 or so and gets it to 95. wagner is only 5'10 and hits 100+. steve dalkowski was around 5'8 and was arguably the hardest thrower ever.

[imb]

That's exactly what he just said, Mr. Echo.

[KingCubsFan]

I still have a copy of the Sun-Times from the day of NLDS Game Three. There's a big double truck spread detailing Prior's perfect mechanics.

 

Journalists are so smart.

 

so you don't think prior has good mechanics?

A lot of people have commented that the way in which Prior raises his elbow above his shoulder when delivering is a good way to put extra stress on the shoulder

[UK1679666180]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

 

size does not = velocity. flash gordon is 5'8 or so and gets it to 95. wagner is only 5'10 and hits 100+. steve dalkowski was around 5'8 and was arguably the hardest thrower ever.

 

Never said it did, but House is about 5'7" and made it to the majors throwing 82 and wanted to bulk up via steroids and it didn't help him.

[UK1679666180]

I still have a copy of the Sun-Times from the day of NLDS Game Three. There's a big double truck spread detailing Prior's perfect mechanics.

 

Journalists are so smart.

 

so you don't think prior has good mechanics?

A lot of people have commented that the way in which Prior raises his elbow above his shoulder when delivering is a good way to put extra stress on the shoulder

 

Most of his delivery is solid, I don't like his stride length and arm path though.

[CuseCubFan69]

I still have a copy of the Sun-Times from the day of NLDS Game Three. There's a big double truck spread detailing Prior's perfect mechanics.

 

Journalists are so smart.

 

so you don't think prior has good mechanics?

A lot of people have commented that the way in which Prior raises his elbow above his shoulder when delivering is a good way to put extra stress on the shoulder

 

Most of his delivery is solid, I don't like his stride length and arm path though.

 

Too short or too long?

[UK1679666180]

Stride length is too long, delayed shoulder rotation is fine and a key compenent just not that much (at the expense of an ideal stride length).

[CuseCubFan69]

Stride length is too long, delayed shoulder rotation is fine and a key compenent just not that much (at the expense of an ideal stride length).

 

Over the height of his body? Does this cause him to push off the rubber too hard or is it more of a natural push?

[hardcorecubfan]

Is this earlier or later than when Prior was throwing off the mound last season? I think we have to consider this before declaring good news right?

Well Prior hasn't caught the eastern equine encephalomyelitis virus (yet), so it's progress.

 

no, but I heard bovine demensia is running rampant through many of young wunderkinds of the Chicago Cubs. I know our manager has it bad.

[baseball7897]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

 

That is exactly correct. You will not find your fastball in a weight room. Pitching is mainly a speed of movement activity. Weight lifting does not train pitchers to improve in that area. Juan Cruz is a good example of this. He is really thin, but he generates his velocity from his speed of body movement. Good mechanics with a smooth delivery and with proper timing is how you generate a 90mph fastball.

 

Being too flexible is not really a good thing. The shoulder is the most loose joint in your body. Stretching causes looseness which is a cause of pitching arm injuries. Stretching also reduces the muscles and the tissue ability to store that elastic energy that helps the pitcher throw a 90mph.

Edited January 19, 2007 by baseball7897

[imb]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

 

That is exactly correct. You will not find your fastball in a weight room. Pitching is mainly a speed of movement activity. Weight lifting does not train pitchers to improve in that area. Juan Cruz is a good example of this. He is really thin, but he generates his velocity from his speed of body movement. Good mechanics with a smooth delivery and with proper timing is how you generate a 90mph fastball.

 

r u a pitcher or sumthin

[Balsa]

Wasnt Prior not yet throwing by the time Spring Training started last year? IIRC, the concern started when time started going by after P&C reported and Prior had yet to take the mound. If so, this appears to be great news and I am guilty of getting excited.

 

Checking threads....

 

Prior and Wood were threw off the mound for the first time in exhibition on Feb. 25

 

But then, Will Carroll had his rumor posted on Feb. 20th...and it still came true. And it took a month for the Cubs to admit Prior was injured and that he would be delayed.

[UK1679666180]

Stride length is too long, delayed shoulder rotation is fine and a key compenent just not that much (at the expense of an ideal stride length).

 

Over the height of his body? Does this cause him to push off the rubber too hard or is it more of a natural push?

 

Natural with Prior...

 

http://www.papadakistaverna.com/Images/Photos/Mark_Prior.gif

 

I'll pull up a pic of Maddux at foot strike.

 

http://woolis.com/images/2005SpringTRSPC/3-12%20016Maddux.jpg

 

Apologies for the large pic.

Edited January 19, 2007 by UK

[CuseCubFan69]

Stride length is too long, delayed shoulder rotation is fine and a key compenent just not that much (at the expense of an ideal stride length).

 

Over the height of his body? Does this cause him to push off the rubber too hard or is it more of a natural push?

 

Natural with Prior...

 

http://www.tristarproductions.com/Sales/Images/Baseball/PriorM-16x10-ABR.jpg

 

I'll pull up a pic of Maddux at foot strike.

 

That's not working for me for some reason. I was pretty excited to that and Maddux's too!

[CuseCubFan69]

It's interesting looking at his heal toe landing and then Hills toe heal in another picture.

[David]

I want our old Mark Prior back.

[CuseCubFan69]

Don't you dare apoligize for a large picture of one of my favorite pitchers of all time!

 

Interesting shoulder heigth by Maddux. I see he is throwing his changeup too.

[mg420]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

 

btw,

 

according to this he's 5'11 and was 190 lbs when he played.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_House

[CuseCubFan69]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

 

btw,

 

according to this he's 5'11 and was 190 lbs when he played.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_House

 

UK's talking real height not listed height! :D

[fromthestretch]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

 

btw,

 

according to this he's 5'11 and was 190 lbs when he played.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_House

 

Athletes routinely pad their height on rosters. Billy Wagner is listed as 5'10, but he's closer to 5'8. Sosa is shorter than his listed height of 6'0.

 

The only time I've ever seen a player in any sport that was actually taller than what they were listed was when Brad Miller was playing for Purdue. He was listed as 6'11 on the roster but was actually 7'0.

[NoDak]

I still have a copy of the Sun-Times from the day of NLDS Game Three. There's a big double truck spread detailing Prior's perfect mechanics.

 

Journalists are so smart.

 

Hey, even perfect mechanics have trouble with a fullspeed runner and a screaming line drive. What are the odds a pitcher would suffer two such injuries in such a short span of time?

 

That was my first thought too, but if he had better mechanics he would have "crashed" more gracefully into Giles and not put his elbow in the way of a screaming line drive from Brad Hawpe :lol:.

 

Actually, only last year did he start having "mechanics" problems and I think that was largely him trying to "shortcut" his rehab. This is the "healthiest" he has been in several years and may even break camp with the rest of the team. I am having good thoughts about a rotation with a healthy Prior and Zambrano at the top of it with Rich Hill following it up.

[UK1679666180]

Tom House is also a self-admitted former steroids user if I remember correctly. I also remember him speaking out against roid use.

 

If memory serves, I seem to recall him saying he tried steroids very briefly and couldn't discern a real benefit from them.

 

If you ever seen House in person, he's tiny, maybe 5'7"-5'8" on a good day, from what I recall he might've been one of the 1st to try steroids to add velo and that's probably the 1st time he realized that maintaining flexibility is more important than adding mass as it didn't add velo.

 

He believes in nutritional supplements to help speed up the recovery time between outings.

 

btw,

 

according to this he's 5'11 and was 190 lbs when he played.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_House

 

If you've ever stood next to him, he's not close to 5'11".