Cubs Sign Marquis to 3/21

[TruffleShuffle]

If you told me in 2003 that Prior would be battling for the #5 starter slot and Kerry would be a middle reliever in 2007 I woulda just shot myself in the head.

 

Um, I'm pretty sure I did...

 

Prior will be battling for the #5 starter slot and Kerry would be a middle reliever in 2007

 

 

forgot to change that one :wink:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If you told me in 2003 that Prior would be battling for the #5 starter slot and Kerry would be a middle reliever in 2007 I woulda just shot myself in the head.

 

Um, I'm pretty sure I did...

 

Prior will be battling for the #5 starter slot and Kerry will be a middle reliever in 2007

 

 

forgot to change that one :wink:

 

Dammit!

[TruffleShuffle]

I was about to disagree with you, but then you added the eyeroll. That made me realize that the opposing argument must be ludicrous, so I now agree with you.

 

Sorry, the extrrrrrreeeeeme pessimism gets to me sometimes. It almost seems like people are going out of their way to make sure to be as mad and dissapointed as possible. To say we have an ace and 4 #5's, that's just crazy.

 

we just a signed a guy with a 6.00+ ERA. calling him a 5th starter is being genous. so i rephrase...we have one #1 starter, four #5 starters, and one AAA pitcher.

 

funny how you assume that the 6.00 ERA pitcher pitches just as badly in 2007, yet the 4.17 ERA, 111 ERA+ pitcher who was outstanding in the second half, doesn't repeat those numbers (which would make him at least a solid #3), and Ted Lilly doesn't repeat his 109 ERA+.

[Guest]

we just a signed a guy with a 6.00+ ERA. calling him a 5th starter is being genous. so i rephrase...we have one #1 starter, four #5 starters, and one AAA pitcher.

Hey, it's a free country and you are perfectly welcome to spout sensationalist garbage if you want to.

[David]

I was about to disagree with you, but then you added the eyeroll. That made me realize that the opposing argument must be ludicrous, so I now agree with you.

 

Sorry, the extrrrrrreeeeeme pessimism gets to me sometimes. It almost seems like people are going out of their way to make sure to be as mad and dissapointed as possible. To say we have an ace and 4 #5's, that's just crazy.

 

we just a signed a guy with a 6.00+ ERA. calling him a 5th starter is being genous. so i rephrase...we have one #1 starter, four #5 starters, and one AAA pitcher.

 

I'm just as critical of this management and organization as the next guy, but what you are stating here is just plain ludicrous.

[b_wiggy_66]

How many number one guys did the Cards have this year. Well they had Carp-#1, Suppan-#3 type, and Mulder, Weaver, Reyes, and Marquis all pitched like #5's or worse. Weaver was released. Mulder was hurt all year. After Marquis got rocked in those two games it was all downhill from there. Reyes was up and down. By the way what did they do this year? Thats right they won the World Series with a #1, #3, and 4 #5's.

[abuck1220]

by the way, i'm glad to see that someone took rusch's spot as the guy who can't be taken out of the rotation no matter how much he blows because the cubs paid him big money. except marquis is paid more and is signed for longer. good stuff.

[gflore34]

How many number one guys did the Cards have this year. Well they had Carp-#1, Suppan-#3 type, and Mulder, Weaver, Reyes, and Marquis all pitched like #5's or worse. Weaver was released. Mulder was hurt all year. After Marquis got rocked in those two games it was all downhill from there. Reyes was up and down. By the way what did they do this year? Thats right they won the World Series with a #1, #3, and 4 #5's.

 

True enough however, you forgot the fact that the Cardinals have had perhaps, more good fortune than any other team in Baseball History. And we all know, good fortune and the Cubs are not bed mates.

[Jon]

How many number one guys did the Cards have this year. Well they had Carp-#1, Suppan-#3 type, and Mulder, Weaver, Reyes, and Marquis all pitched like #5's or worse. Weaver was released. Mulder was hurt all year. After Marquis got rocked in those two games it was all downhill from there. Reyes was up and down. By the way what did they do this year? Thats right they won the World Series with a #1, #3, and 4 #5's.

The Cubs should be aiming for more than just 83 wins, especially with this payroll.

 

You can't just build a team in hopes of the rest of the league sucking pretty hard.

[Illini Iceman]

by the way, i'm glad to see that someone took rusch's spot as the guy who can't be taken out of the rotation no matter how much he blows because the cubs paid him big money. except marquis is paid more and is signed for longer. good stuff.

 

I don't know what this means. Rusch was always being moved back and forth from the bullpen to the rotation. Seems to me that the only reason he kept getting starts is that no one else was healthy.

[CubsWin]

How many number one guys did the Cards have this year. Well they had Carp-#1, Suppan-#3 type, and Mulder, Weaver, Reyes, and Marquis all pitched like #5's or worse. Weaver was released. Mulder was hurt all year. After Marquis got rocked in those two games it was all downhill from there. Reyes was up and down. By the way what did they do this year? Thats right they won the World Series with a #1, #3, and 4 #5's.

 

True enough however, you forgot the fact that the Cardinals have had perhaps, more good fortune than any other team in Baseball History. And we all know, good fortune and the Cubs are not bed mates.

The Cubs had a lot of good fortune in '03. In '98 they got pretty lucky, too. It doesn't happen with any consistency, but it does happen.

[CubsWin]

by the way, i'm glad to see that someone took rusch's spot as the guy who can't be taken out of the rotation no matter how much he blows because the cubs paid him big money. except marquis is paid more and is signed for longer. good stuff.

 

I don't know what this means. Rusch was always being moved back and forth from the bullpen to the rotation. Seems to me that the only reason he kept getting starts is that no one else was healthy.

It doesn't mean anything. It just steam being blown off which he has every right to do. But, clearly, its a non-sensical post.

[CubsWin]

The Cubs should be aiming for more than just 83 wins, especially with this payroll.

They are.

 

You can't just build a team in hopes of the rest of the league sucking pretty hard.

They're not.

 

Great arguments I put forth, huh?

[Cubzfan64]

I wish I could get an almost 20% raise for performing at an average to below average level in my job *sigh*.

 

That said, on a positive note, at least we're finally not relying on Wood and Prior to be healthy all year when history shows us there's a 90%+ chance that won't happen. It'll be nice to have some guys able to throw innings for a change.

 

I'm not excited about the 2007 Cubs, but I'm optimistic

[Jon]

The Cubs should be aiming for more than just 83 wins, especially with this payroll.

They are.

 

You can't just build a team in hopes of the rest of the league sucking pretty hard.

They're not.

 

Great arguments I put forth, huh?

What does that have to do with my post? I never said that's what they were aiming for.

[b_wiggy_66]

The Cubs should be aiming for more than just 83 wins, especially with this payroll.

They are.

 

You can't just build a team in hopes of the rest of the league sucking pretty hard.

They're not.

 

Great arguments I put forth, huh?

What does that have to do with my post? I never said that's what they were aiming for.

 

You implied that was what they were aiming for

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The Cubs should be aiming for more than just 83 wins, especially with this payroll.

They are.

 

You can't just build a team in hopes of the rest of the league sucking pretty hard.

They're not.

 

Great arguments I put forth, huh?

What does that have to do with my post? I never said that's what they were aiming for.

 

You implied that was what they were aiming for

 

No, he implied that that's what their moves have accomplished.

[Jon]

And that having a pitching staff like that of the '06 Cardinals is not a good thing.

 

I doubt Hendry consciously wants to be overpaying for mediocrity. He doesn't. It's just that he doesn't correctly value players in terms of either performance or market value.

[jjgman21]

as most of us are refugees from either espn or cubs.com, I think we can all agree the general intelligence and posting atmosphere in this forum is far better. why don't many of you realize that the constant barrage of hyperbole trashing players, the team and the GM when transactions that aren't lopsided in favor of the Cubs take place puts us right back from whence we came?

 

there's plenty of room for criticism without resorting to these tactics. while concesus is virtually impossible, the utter nonsense that gets posted when a transaction is anything but just insanely perfect is mind numbing and flies in the face of the reasons many of us found our way here.

 

fair, reasoned, logical analysis please.

[CubsWin]

The Cubs should be aiming for more than just 83 wins, especially with this payroll.

They are.

 

You can't just build a team in hopes of the rest of the league sucking pretty hard.

They're not.

 

Great arguments I put forth, huh?

What does that have to do with my post? I never said that's what they were aiming for.

Then we are in agreement.

[Peoriaman]

jjgman, many here live to bitch. It drives good postrrs away.

[Roast]

Yuck. :(

[CubsWin]

Has there been any news reported about the specifics of the contract? Are all three years guaranteed? How are the 20 million dollars broken up over the 3 years?

[UMFan83]

as most of us are refugees from either espn or cubs.com, I think we can all agree the general intelligence and posting atmosphere in this forum is far better. why don't many of you realize that the constant barrage of hyperbole trashing players, the team and the GM when transactions that aren't lopsided in favor of the Cubs take place puts us right back from whence we came?

 

there's plenty of room for criticism without resorting to these tactics. while concesus is virtually impossible, the utter nonsense that gets posted when a transaction is anything but just insanely perfect is mind numbing and flies in the face of the reasons many of us found our way here.

 

fair, reasoned, logical analysis please.

 

A lot of the posters here have a certain mindset on how they want a team built because they think its the best way to build a successful winning team. Needless to say, our GM has pretty much gameplanned completely opposite from this mindset, and as such as pretty critical.

[A New Era]

I was about to disagree with you, but then you added the eyeroll. That made me realize that the opposing argument must be ludicrous, so I now agree with you.

 

Sorry, the extrrrrrreeeeeme pessimism gets to me sometimes. It almost seems like people are going out of their way to make sure to be as mad and dissapointed as possible. To say we have an ace and 4 #5's, that's just crazy.

 

we just a signed a guy with a 6.00+ ERA. calling him a 5th starter is being genous. so i rephrase...we have one #1 starter, four #5 starters, and one AAA pitcher.

 

That's funny, last time I checked we just signed a guy with a carreer 4.45 ERA. I'm not saying you when I say this, I mean more generalized. But you guys want to look at the carreers of men like Soriano when they put up carreer years, yet want to look at just one year when we sign someone who has a down year?