Westbrook to the Cubs (Rumor)

[badgercub]

I thought I read somewhere earlier that Cleveland is looking for middle relief help. Some of the names I saw thrown around were Eyre, Ohman, or Wuertz and Jacque Jones along with a mid level prospect.

[DiamondMind]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

[badgercub]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

 

Adjust that downward with a move to the NL. Westbrook is one of the better options out there.

[CP_414]

Who's Ben Maller?

 

I believe Ben Maller is the overnight guy on Fox Radio.

 

He does some weekends and fill in work for FSR. The website he runs is fantastic. I check benmaller.com daily.

[USSoccer]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

 

His numbers will probably improve coming to the NL. His cost to aquire is a lot more palatable than paying Gil Meche or Greg Maddux.

[DiamondMind]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

 

His numbers will probably improve coming to the NL. His cost to aquire is a lot more palatable than paying Gil Meche or Greg Maddux.

 

Yea, coming to the NL will help, but you never know - I don't think that's a variable you can count on to come true. Secondly, I would actually rather pay/overpay to acquire Meche. In the playoffs, Westbrook's stuff wont win you a game, neither will Maddux' - at least with Meche you have a chance.

[davearm]

Westbrook for Dempster and Marshall?

 

Too much? Too little?

 

I'm thinking we'd have to give them one other player.

Cedeno?

Ohman?

 

Both seem like decent fits for what Cleveland allegedly is after.

 

Of course if the Indians are thinking of using Marshall out of the 'pen (at least initially), then maybe Ohman isn't as attractive?

[ltb]

Secondly, I would actually rather pay/overpay to acquire Meche. In the playoffs, Westbrook's stuff wont win you a game, neither will Maddux' - at least with Meche you have a chance.

 

you have to get to the playoffs first. westbrook gives you a better chance of doing that than meche.

[Jehrico]

any thoughts on the other players we'd have to give up?

 

I think in any trade for an established pitcher, we are going to have send a top prospect back. And if they take Dempster, I think they are doing us a favor. So I would say Veal or Gallagher for sure, and then a project like Guzman or Marshall. Remember, Hendry really isn't on our side anymore. He has a one-year time horizon.

 

There's no way we'd give up star potential along with our closer and a young pitcher with decent production and decent potential for an average starter.

 

Maybe not. But "average pitcher" is becoming more and more valuable in GM's minds. Especially GM's who need to win some games right away. If average pitchers are going to be getting well over $10m per season, then average pitchers are going to cost star potential in trades.

With average pitchers costing so much nowadays, wouldn't that in turn raise the demand for decent major league ready prospects and guys like Marshall who can reasonbly be expected to put up a 4.50 ERA? Marshall's value (and the value of other similar prospects) should go up as well when crappy veteran pitchers get more and more overpriced.

[USSoccer]

Westbrook for Dempster and Marshall?

 

Too much? Too little?

 

I'm thinking we'd have to give them one other player.

Cedeno?

Ohman?

 

Both seem like decent fits for what Cleveland allegedly is after.

 

Of course if the Indians are thinking of using Marshall out of the 'pen (at least initially), then maybe Ohman isn't as attractive?

 

I would say Dempster, Marshall and Cedeno might work. That's a hilariously lopsided deal for us, but it would fit what Cleveland is supposedly looking for.

[goonys evil twin]

any thoughts on the other players we'd have to give up?

 

I think in any trade for an established pitcher, we are going to have send a top prospect back. And if they take Dempster, I think they are doing us a favor. So I would say Veal or Gallagher for sure, and then a project like Guzman or Marshall. Remember, Hendry really isn't on our side anymore. He has a one-year time horizon.

 

There's no way we'd give up star potential along with our closer and a young pitcher with decent production and decent potential for an average starter.

 

Maybe not. But "average pitcher" is becoming more and more valuable in GM's minds. Especially GM's who need to win some games right away. If average pitchers are going to be getting well over $10m per season, then average pitchers are going to cost star potential in trades.

With average pitchers costing so much nowadays, wouldn't that in turn raise the demand for decent major league ready prospects and guys like Marshall who can reasonbly be expected to put up a 4.50 ERA? Marshall's value (and the value of other similar prospects) should go up as well when crappy veteran pitchers get more and more overpriced.

 

I think average pitchers who have shown a consistent ability to be average to above average over the course of 200 innings several years in a row are going to be significantly more valued than injury prone young pitchers who are inconsistent and have never shown they can put up a 4.50 ERA over 200 innings. Marshall cannot reasonably be expected to put up a 4.50 ERA over a full season.

[KingCubsFan]

any thoughts on the other players we'd have to give up?

 

I think in any trade for an established pitcher, we are going to have send a top prospect back. And if they take Dempster, I think they are doing us a favor. So I would say Veal or Gallagher for sure, and then a project like Guzman or Marshall. Remember, Hendry really isn't on our side anymore. He has a one-year time horizon.

 

There's no way we'd give up star potential along with our closer and a young pitcher with decent production and decent potential for an average starter.

 

Maybe not. But "average pitcher" is becoming more and more valuable in GM's minds. Especially GM's who need to win some games right away. If average pitchers are going to be getting well over $10m per season, then average pitchers are going to cost star potential in trades.

With average pitchers costing so much nowadays, wouldn't that in turn raise the demand for decent major league ready prospects and guys like Marshall who can reasonbly be expected to put up a 4.50 ERA? Marshall's value (and the value of other similar prospects) should go up as well when crappy veteran pitchers get more and more overpriced.

How can Marshall be reasonably expected to put up a 4.50 ERA next year?

[Jehrico]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

 

His numbers will probably improve coming to the NL. His cost to aquire is a lot more palatable than paying Gil Meche or Greg Maddux.

 

Yea, coming to the NL will help, but you never know - I don't think that's a variable you can count on to come true. Secondly, I would actually rather pay/overpay to acquire Meche. In the playoffs, Westbrook's stuff wont win you a game, neither will Maddux' - at least with Meche you have a chance.

 

I don't see how Meche would give us any more of a chance than Marmol, Mateo, or Marshall. He's no better than any of those three are now. I think too many people put too much stock into him because of that nice little early season fluke-of-a-winning streak he had a couple of years ago.

[ChiCubsFan]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

 

His numbers will probably improve coming to the NL. His cost to aquire is a lot more palatable than paying Gil Meche or Greg Maddux.

 

Yea, coming to the NL will help, but you never know - I don't think that's a variable you can count on to come true. Secondly, I would actually rather pay/overpay to acquire Meche. In the playoffs, Westbrook's stuff wont win you a game, neither will Maddux' - at least with Meche you have a chance.

 

I don't see how Meche would give us any more of a chance than Marmol, Mateo, or Marshall. He's no better than any of those three are now. I think too many people put too much stock into him because of that nice little early season fluke-of-a-winning streak he had a couple of years ago.

 

Have you seen Meche pitch or read numerous scouting reports on him? From what I understand (and from seeing him pitch a couple times) he has very good stuff.

 

I think the poster was saying Meche has the potential to pitch great on any given day, while he believes Maddux and Westbrooke only have the potential to be average or a little above average.

[Lefty]

any thoughts on the other players we'd have to give up?

 

I think in any trade for an established pitcher, we are going to have send a top prospect back. And if they take Dempster, I think they are doing us a favor. So I would say Veal or Gallagher for sure, and then a project like Guzman or Marshall. Remember, Hendry really isn't on our side anymore. He has a one-year time horizon.

 

There's no way we'd give up star potential along with our closer and a young pitcher with decent production and decent potential for an average starter.

 

Oh no? First of all, you can call Dempster your "closer," but he still suc*s and those are guys you want off your team generally. As far as giving up a top prospect, Hendry needs to win this year or he is gone. What would you do to save your job?

[Lefty]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

 

His numbers will probably improve coming to the NL. His cost to aquire is a lot more palatable than paying Gil Meche or Greg Maddux.

 

Yea, coming to the NL will help, but you never know - I don't think that's a variable you can count on to come true. Secondly, I would actually rather pay/overpay to acquire Meche. In the playoffs, Westbrook's stuff wont win you a game, neither will Maddux' - at least with Meche you have a chance.

 

Well, he will face a pitcher about 80 times as opposed to a DH, so figure it out yourself. OK I will. That's about 12 baserunners and 20 total bases.

[BeerHere]

[Soul]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

 

His numbers will probably improve coming to the NL. His cost to aquire is a lot more palatable than paying Gil Meche or Greg Maddux.

 

Yea, coming to the NL will help, but you never know - I don't think that's a variable you can count on to come true. Secondly, I would actually rather pay/overpay to acquire Meche. In the playoffs, Westbrook's stuff wont win you a game, neither will Maddux' - at least with Meche you have a chance.

 

I don't see how Meche would give us any more of a chance than Marmol, Mateo, or Marshall. He's no better than any of those three are now. I think too many people put too much stock into him because of that nice little early season fluke-of-a-winning streak he had a couple of years ago.

 

Have you seen Meche pitch or read numerous scouting reports on him? From what I understand (and from seeing him pitch a couple times) he has very good stuff.

 

I think the poster was saying Meche has the potential to pitch great on any given day, while he believes Maddux and Westbrooke only have the potential to be average or a little above average.

 

Hey, nothing wrong with going after Meche if that's what Hendry wants to do. What I see in Westbrook is a 200+ inning guy in the back of the rotation....say the 4 slot. I think he would be very valuable in that role. The back of our rotation has been so spotty, with guys being plugged in and out on a regular basis. Westbrook would apparently be a stabalizing force.

[Jehrico]

any thoughts on the other players we'd have to give up?

 

I think in any trade for an established pitcher, we are going to have send a top prospect back. And if they take Dempster, I think they are doing us a favor. So I would say Veal or Gallagher for sure, and then a project like Guzman or Marshall. Remember, Hendry really isn't on our side anymore. He has a one-year time horizon.

 

There's no way we'd give up star potential along with our closer and a young pitcher with decent production and decent potential for an average starter.

 

Maybe not. But "average pitcher" is becoming more and more valuable in GM's minds. Especially GM's who need to win some games right away. If average pitchers are going to be getting well over $10m per season, then average pitchers are going to cost star potential in trades.

With average pitchers costing so much nowadays, wouldn't that in turn raise the demand for decent major league ready prospects and guys like Marshall who can reasonbly be expected to put up a 4.50 ERA? Marshall's value (and the value of other similar prospects) should go up as well when crappy veteran pitchers get more and more overpriced.

How can Marshall be reasonably expected to put up a 4.50 ERA next year?

The same way that the same can be expected from Meche for $10 million more. Marshall was around the high 4s when he went down at the end of July. He missed all of August, and had a rough September when he came back. Plus, he's younger (24), and still has the learning curve in front of him (i.e. should be expected to improve). Meche is going on 29 and is at his peak. Also, Marshall had never thrown over 74 innings a year in the minors, so there was probably some late season fatigue going on there too.

[minnesotacubsfan]

wow...Westbrook would be a nice early x-mas present

[TruffleShuffle]

I still think I prefer Cliff Lee, but maybe given his team-favorable contract, he's not on the block.

[PrimeTime]

Everyone should check out rotoworld.com stuff is being posted like every 2 minutes... winning bidder of Igawa could be announced today, a deal might be in place for Lugo to the red sox etc...

[TruffleShuffle]

Everyone should check out rotoworld.com stuff is being posted like every 2 minutes... winning bidder of Igawa could be announced today, a deal might be in place for Lugo to the red sox etc...

 

you see the one about Crede and Garcia for E. Santana and Figgins? That would be another bad deal for the Angels.

[fromthestretch]

Westbrook is like a C+ pitcher to me. 1.43 WHIP? Yuck. What's everyone so excited about?

 

His numbers will probably improve coming to the NL. His cost to aquire is a lot more palatable than paying Gil Meche or Greg Maddux.

 

Yea, coming to the NL will help, but you never know - I don't think that's a variable you can count on to come true. Secondly, I would actually rather pay/overpay to acquire Meche. In the playoffs, Westbrook's stuff wont win you a game, neither will Maddux' - at least with Meche you have a chance.

 

If some team is going to overpay for Gil Meche, I hope it's not the Cubs.

[abuck1220]

In the playoffs, Westbrook's stuff wont win you a game, neither will Maddux' - at least with Meche you have a chance.

 

well, that makes no sense.