Week 13: Bears vs. Minnesota - Sunday, Dec 3, 12 pm CST

[cubweiser03]

Im getting pissed about this Rex criticism. His numbers are better than Eli. I dont hear growns about putting their backup in. Is it because their backup sucks but the Bears have Griese? Rothlisbergers numbers blow chunks. Sure he won a superbowl last year, well he aint sniffing the playoffs this year. Grossmans numbers are better than Delhomme (Super Bowl QB) and Penningtons. Brad Johnson (Super Bowl QB) too. AND his numbers are supposed to be MR. NO MISTAKE. Dudes thrown for more INT than TD. Screw that.

 

Actually his QB rating is worse than Delhomme and Pennington, and he has more turnovers than Mr. No Mistake. And Eli's backup is Jared Lorenzen, who I don't think has ever played an NFL down. If you think people haven't been killing Roethlisberger this year, you haven't been paying attention. The only reason people aren't talking about him now is because the Steelers have rendered themselves irrelevent. The Bears are a playoff team.

 

Anyway, I think the reason people are criticizing Rex Grossman is because he's had three games in which he has totally killed the Bears. Pennington has had a couple of lousy games, and Delhomme hasn't been great, but their lows haven't been as low as Grossman (ratings of 10, 23 and 37 in the three worst games). Like it or not, he's younger and hasn't proven what either of those guys have proven. I think what everybody notices is that if come playoff time, Grossman lays an egg like the ones he's laid against Arizona, Miami and New England, the Bears are done. Even Rex said it himself - he can't be AS bad when he's not on.

 

The guys i mentioned are pretty much in the same boat as Rex is when it comes to QB ratings. Rex needs to get better and eliminate the lousy games, i wont agrue that. I hate QB controversies and this one is toatlly unnecessary. Well today i at least heard media talking about Eli and what to do with him. Maybe the Pillsbury Throw Boy will subplant Eli.

 

What also i dont like is all this talk about last year. Last year the Bears barely frickn won almost every game and people are talking like it was glory days last year and we should try that again on offense. It's silly.

[UK1679666180]

Leave J-Lo (*aka BBQ) out of this one. :)

[Balsa]

Great article by Haugh: LINK

[Soul]

Im getting pissed about this Rex criticism. His numbers are better than Eli. I dont hear growns about putting their backup in. Is it because their backup sucks but the Bears have Griese? Rothlisbergers numbers blow chunks. Sure he won a superbowl last year, well he aint sniffing the playoffs this year. Grossmans numbers are better than Delhomme (Super Bowl QB) and Penningtons. Brad Johnson (Super Bowl QB) too. AND his numbers are supposed to be MR. NO MISTAKE. Dudes thrown for more INT than TD. Screw that.

 

Actually his QB rating is worse than Delhomme and Pennington, and he has more turnovers than Mr. No Mistake. And Eli's backup is Jared Lorenzen, who I don't think has ever played an NFL down. If you think people haven't been killing Roethlisberger this year, you haven't been paying attention. The only reason people aren't talking about him now is because the Steelers have rendered themselves irrelevent. The Bears are a playoff team.

 

Anyway, I think the reason people are criticizing Rex Grossman is because he's had three games in which he has totally killed the Bears. Pennington has had a couple of lousy games, and Delhomme hasn't been great, but their lows haven't been as low as Grossman (ratings of 10, 23 and 37 in the three worst games). Like it or not, he's younger and hasn't proven what either of those guys have proven. I think what everybody notices is that if come playoff time, Grossman lays an egg like the ones he's laid against Arizona, Miami and New England, the Bears are done. Even Rex said it himself - he can't be AS bad when he's not on.

 

The guys i mentioned are pretty much in the same boat as Rex is when it comes to QB ratings. Rex needs to get better and eliminate the lousy games, i wont agrue that. I hate QB controversies and this one is toatlly unnecessary. Well today i at least heard media talking about Eli and what to do with him. Maybe the Pillsbury Throw Boy will subplant Eli.

 

What also i dont like is all this talk about last year. Last year the Bears barely frickn won almost every game and people are talking like it was glory days last year and we should try that again on offense. It's silly.

 

Grossman has been better this year than Eli. Eli's only saving grace this season has been the ability to just toss it up to his 6'6" bail out man and pray he makes him look good. Once Plaxico starts to suck, magically Eli starts to suck too. Funny how that works.

 

Rex is working with what I still consider to be no better than a middle-of-the-road WR corps, probably a bit below average. He can't get away with the prayers, they usually come back with three letters stamped on them: I.N.T. His TE is not as good as Shockey, either (though I think Shockey is a tad overrated).

 

Also, the pass blocking of this offensive line hasn't impressed me. I don't care if teams are blitzing. Teams blitz everywhere in the NFL. There's way too much pressure coming up the middle and into Rex's face.

 

There's going to be criticism, I understand that. But to hear guys like Doug Buffone calling for Griese like he did last night is disappointing. Doug should know better than that. We know what Griese is, and it's not a Super Bowl champion: he's a guy who has played 9 years and never once in the playoffs. He's also had a nasty INT problem himself through his career.

[TruffleShuffle]

Grossman has been better this year than Eli. Eli's only saving grace this season has been the ability to just toss it up to his 6'6" bail out man and pray he makes him look good. Once Plaxico starts to suck, magically Eli starts to suck too. Funny how that works.

 

And the media has been hammering Eli for his play the past few weeks.

[Soul]

Great article by Haugh: LINK

 

You know, this is starting to concern me:

 

Against the Jets, Harris required an IV at halftime and afterward acknowledged being lethargic. A few weeks earlier, he had complained of feeling fatigued during practice for no apparent reason. Maybe it's not the complacency Harris spoke of after the loss to Miami that's affecting him but something physical draining his stamina.

 

I hope he doesn't have some kind of hidden physical problem, but that just doesn't sound good. I hope the Bears are on top of that, because there really is no reason for Harris to be playing this poorly, despite the double-teams. He has the speed and jump off the ball to split most double teams, as he was able to earlier in the year.

 

It's definitely a good article. Where the hell has Ogun been? That guy has been invisible pretty much the whole year other than solid run coverage.

[sweetpeteman]

2 Things:

 

1. Seahawks win one game... at home, against the Packers, 34-24, and are suddenly the NFC favorite? Right... because the Bears havn't played well against the Packers this year.

 

2. The next person calling for the benching of Grossman should be shot from a cannon. Sure, his lows are really low, but if you put in Griese, the deep game disappears and the offense becomes stagnant. From what I can tell, the sports reporters who are trying to get Griese to start really just want to see the Bears of old where they ran the ball all the time, because thats how the game was played in Chicago and thats how it should be played in Chicago, not with passing.

[Soul]

Who is saying the Seahawks are favorites? We absolutely destroyed them even with Hasselbeck. They'd be coming to Soldier Field. They barely staved off the Pack--Packers were winning that game well into the 3rd quarter.

 

No way that ballclub beats either Dallas or Chicago.

[sweetpeteman]

Who is saying the Seahawks are favorites? We absolutely destroyed them even with Hasselbeck. They'd be coming to Soldier Field. They barely staved off the Pack--Packers were winning that game well into the 3rd quarter.

 

No way that ballclub beats either Dallas or Chicago.

 

The stupidest network in the land, ESPN (although they may have them behind Dallas, since apparently Tony Romo is a god... hmm he's started 5 games so far... Grossman had 5 games for the Bears before things started to have issue... maybe we should keep his bust away from the Hall for a little longer?)

[Soriano12]

Great article by Haugh: LINK

 

You know, this is starting to concern me:

 

Against the Jets, Harris required an IV at halftime and afterward acknowledged being lethargic. A few weeks earlier, he had complained of feeling fatigued during practice for no apparent reason. Maybe it's not the complacency Harris spoke of after the loss to Miami that's affecting him but something physical draining his stamina.

 

I hope he doesn't have some kind of hidden physical problem, but that just doesn't sound good. I hope the Bears are on top of that, because there really is no reason for Harris to be playing this poorly, despite the double-teams. He has the speed and jump off the ball to split most double teams, as he was able to earlier in the year.

 

It's definitely a good article. Where the hell has Ogun been? That guy has been invisible pretty much the whole year other than solid run coverage.

 

 

This was a great line, well playd

 

Right end Alex Brown can look like Lawrence Taylor one Sunday, as he did against the Giants with two sacks in his biannual salary drive through the Meadowlands,

 

It's hillarious, because it's true.

:lol:

[TruffleShuffle]

Who is saying the Seahawks are favorites?

 

I've heard a lot of people stay that.

 

No way that ballclub beats either Dallas or Chicago.

 

I don't know how you can say that there's no way they beat Dallas or Chicago. The Seahawks did win the conference last year, and lost very little from that team. They've got Alexander back, and there's a good chance that if his foot holds up, he'll be REALLY fresh for the playoffs after missing nearly half the year. They've also got their QB back. On paper, they might be the most talented team in the league. I don't think they're the prohibitive favorite, but they've got an easy schedule the rest of the way:

 

@Denver (against a QB making his first NFL start)

@Arizona

SF

SD

@TB

 

I think they go 4-1 with that schedule and win their division going away. Dallas has three fairly tough games (@NYG this weekend - don't underestimate the difficulty of a big divisional game; vs NO, @Atl) and two cupcakes (vs Philly, vs Detroit). NO should beat SF and Washington at home, but has to play @Dallas, @NYG and vs Carolina. So, it's certainly possible that Seattle could get the bye and only have to play one game at most on the road.

[Soul]

Who is saying the Seahawks are favorites? We absolutely destroyed them even with Hasselbeck. They'd be coming to Soldier Field. They barely staved off the Pack--Packers were winning that game well into the 3rd quarter.

 

No way that ballclub beats either Dallas or Chicago.

 

The stupidest network in the land, ESPN (although they may have them behind Dallas, since apparently Tony Romo is a god... hmm he's started 5 games so far... Grossman had 5 games for the Bears before things started to have issue... maybe we should keep his bust away from the Hall for a little longer?)

 

Romo does have a pretty easy schedule in front of him as far as defenses he will face. There aren't any Patriots or even Phins-quality D's to face, so I guess the Romo praise is likely to continue.

 

I actually think the Boys are good ballclub though. Seattle is much more marginal in my book. That defense leaks like a sieve, they have the worst TE in the league, the right side of their OLine is junk.....I could go on.

[Soul]

Who is saying the Seahawks are favorites?

 

I don't think they're the prohibitive favorite, but they've got an easy schedule the rest of the way:

 

@Denver (against a QB making his first NFL start)

@Arizona

SF

SD

@TB

 

I think they go 4-1 with that schedule and win their division going away. Dallas has three fairly tough games (@NYG this weekend - don't underestimate the difficulty of a big divisional game; vs NO, @Atl) and two cupcakes (vs Philly, vs Detroit). NO should beat SF and Washington at home, but has to play @Dallas, @NYG and vs Carolina. So, it's certainly possible that Seattle could get the bye and only have to play one game at most on the road.

 

Hmmm...I don't view that schedule as being easy. I think Seattle will lose to Denver and SD. On the other hand, I feel Dallas has a good shot at winning out.

 

I don't see any way Seattle goes to Dallas or Chicago and wins. But hey---I've been wrong before.

[TruffleShuffle]

Who is saying the Seahawks are favorites?

 

I don't think they're the prohibitive favorite, but they've got an easy schedule the rest of the way:

 

@Denver (against a QB making his first NFL start)

@Arizona

SF

SD

@TB

 

I think they go 4-1 with that schedule and win their division going away. Dallas has three fairly tough games (@NYG this weekend - don't underestimate the difficulty of a big divisional game; vs NO, @Atl) and two cupcakes (vs Philly, vs Detroit). NO should beat SF and Washington at home, but has to play @Dallas, @NYG and vs Carolina. So, it's certainly possible that Seattle could get the bye and only have to play one game at most on the road.

 

Hmmm...I don't view that schedule as being easy. I think Seattle will lose to Denver and SD. On the other hand, I feel Dallas has a good shot at winning out.

 

I don't see any way Seattle goes to Dallas or Chicago and wins. But hey---I've been wrong before.

 

I guess I can see them winning in Denver if Cutler plays scared. Denver doesn't have the running attack that it used to - Cutler is going to have to be able to pass the ball for them to win. Both of SD's losses were on the road, and Seattle is really, really good at home - only four losses there in the past four years.

 

And, Dallas will not win out. I would bet my house on that.

[Chocolate Milk]

Who is saying the Seahawks are favorites?

 

I don't think they're the prohibitive favorite, but they've got an easy schedule the rest of the way:

 

@Denver (against a QB making his first NFL start)

@Arizona

SF

SD

@TB

 

I think they go 4-1 with that schedule and win their division going away. Dallas has three fairly tough games (@NYG this weekend - don't underestimate the difficulty of a big divisional game; vs NO, @Atl) and two cupcakes (vs Philly, vs Detroit). NO should beat SF and Washington at home, but has to play @Dallas, @NYG and vs Carolina. So, it's certainly possible that Seattle could get the bye and only have to play one game at most on the road.

 

Hmmm...I don't view that schedule as being easy. I think Seattle will lose to Denver and SD. On the other hand, I feel Dallas has a good shot at winning out.

 

I don't see any way Seattle goes to Dallas or Chicago and wins. But hey---I've been wrong before.

 

I guess I can see them winning in Denver if Cutler plays scared. Denver doesn't have the running attack that it used to - Cutler is going to have to be able to pass the ball for them to win. Both of SD's losses were on the road, and Seattle is really, really good at home - only four losses there in the past four years.

 

And, Dallas will not win out. I would bet my house on that.

 

I'm not quite sure this is the case. They haven't had much success passing so far this year and have won a lot of games in a tough division. Cutler was a stud in the preaseason but who knows what that means?

 

I don't think there is any way Seatle beats San Diego. San Diego's D is going to be a lot better now the Merriman is back. I don't see Seatle being able to stop Tomlinson and company.

 

The Seahawks don't have a tough schedule, but it's no cake walk either. I think they'll lose 2 of those games.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not quite sure this is the case. They haven't had much success passing so far this year and have won a lot of games in a tough division. Cutler was a stud in the preaseason but who knows what that means?

 

I just mean that he'll have to present some sort of a threat. Denver at least kept passing the ball with Plummer, even though he sucked. My point was that they can't just shield Cutler and run the ball 60 times in the game. If he doesn't make critical mistakes, I think they win - but then again, that team isn't playing well lately, barely beating Oakland, falling apart against SD and then losing to KC.

 

And, their run defense has been bad, albeit against the two of the top 3 RBs in pro football. Of course, the other member of that elite RB group will be in town this weekend, so they'd be wise to shore up that problem ASAP.

[Soul]

If Dallas doesn't win out that makes their maximum record 11-5.

 

We'd have to lose 3 of our last 5 to sink that low, not gonna happen. And I think we hold the tie breaker with them.

 

Same for Seattle....if they lose one more, it's 11-5. We definitely have the tie breaker on them.

 

Who else is out there as a threat for HFA? N.O.? Naw, they're gonna lose to someone somehow.

 

If the Bears blow this thing I'm gonna scream. It's so set up for us right now it isn't even funny. There should be home games throughout, and the first one should be against the weaker of the two first-round winners.

 

I just want to figure out what's wrong with our DLine, and have Turner and Wilson start getting Rex to use just a little more judgement out there.

[UMFan83]

Seattle can't be the favorites until they learn to tackle and play better D.

 

Seeing SA run for over 200 yards did scare the crap out of me though

[Chocolate Milk]

Seatle has allowed more points then they have scored.

[TruffleShuffle]

If Dallas doesn't win out that makes their maximum record 11-5.

 

We'd have to lose 3 of our last 5 to sink that low, not gonna happen. And I think we hold the tie breaker with them.

 

Same for Seattle....if they lose one more, it's 11-5. We definitely have the tie breaker on them.

 

Who else is out there as a threat for HFA? N.O.? Naw, they're gonna lose to someone somehow.

 

If the Bears blow this thing I'm gonna scream. It's so set up for us right now it isn't even funny. There should be home games throughout, and the first one should be against the weaker of the two first-round winners.

 

I just want to figure out what's wrong with our DLine, and have Turner and Wilson start getting Rex to use just a little more judgement out there.

 

The Bears can't lose HFA can they? Their schedule the rest of the way is bad, with @StL the only somewhat difficult game. HFA is real cool, but as an Eagles fan I can tell you that it is no assurance to making the Super Bowl. I guess you could ask the three teams the Steelers beat on the road last year, too.

[TruffleShuffle]

Seatle has allowed more points then they have scored.

 

They haven't been great this year - nobody would argue that. But considering that they've lost two Pro Bowl players - their most important offensive plalyers - they've done well to stay afloat. I picked them to win the Super Bowl in the preseason and if they play well against Denver and SD, I'll feel more confident in that pick. If they get beat by those teams, then they really won't have beaten a strong team all year - not a good sign for playoff success.

[Chocolate Milk]

If Dallas doesn't win out that makes their maximum record 11-5.

 

We'd have to lose 3 of our last 5 to sink that low, not gonna happen. And I think we hold the tie breaker with them.

 

Same for Seattle....if they lose one more, it's 11-5. We definitely have the tie breaker on them.

 

Who else is out there as a threat for HFA? N.O.? Naw, they're gonna lose to someone somehow.

 

If the Bears blow this thing I'm gonna scream. It's so set up for us right now it isn't even funny. There should be home games throughout, and the first one should be against the weaker of the two first-round winners.

 

I just want to figure out what's wrong with our DLine, and have Turner and Wilson start getting Rex to use just a little more judgement out there.

 

The Bears can't lose HFA can they? Their schedule the rest of the way is bad, with @StL the only somewhat difficult game. HFA is real cool, but as an Eagles fan I can tell you that it is no assurance to making the Super Bowl. I guess you could ask the three teams the Steelers beat on the road last year, too.

 

You could also ask the Bears, since they haven't won a home playoff game in years.

[BigbadB]

The Bears must win against Minnesota. I do not want to wear Minnesota face paint next week.

[gflore34]

If Dallas doesn't win out that makes their maximum record 11-5.

 

We'd have to lose 3 of our last 5 to sink that low, not gonna happen. And I think we hold the tie breaker with them.

 

Same for Seattle....if they lose one more, it's 11-5. We definitely have the tie breaker on them.

 

Who else is out there as a threat for HFA? N.O.? Naw, they're gonna lose to someone somehow.

 

If the Bears blow this thing I'm gonna scream. It's so set up for us right now it isn't even funny. There should be home games throughout, and the first one should be against the weaker of the two first-round winners.

 

I just want to figure out what's wrong with our DLine, and have Turner and Wilson start getting Rex to use just a little more judgement out there.

 

Agreed, what of Turner taking advantage of teams consistently blitzing? Seems to me that, save for the Jet defender falling while covering Bradley, the Bears have yet to burn a team blitzing.

[Soriano12]

If Dallas doesn't win out that makes their maximum record 11-5.

 

We'd have to lose 3 of our last 5 to sink that low, not gonna happen. And I think we hold the tie breaker with them.

 

Same for Seattle....if they lose one more, it's 11-5. We definitely have the tie breaker on them.

 

Who else is out there as a threat for HFA? N.O.? Naw, they're gonna lose to someone somehow.

 

If the Bears blow this thing I'm gonna scream. It's so set up for us right now it isn't even funny. There should be home games throughout, and the first one should be against the weaker of the two first-round winners.

 

I just want to figure out what's wrong with our DLine, and have Turner and Wilson start getting Rex to use just a little more judgement out there.

 

Agreed, what of Turner taking advantage of teams consistently blitzing? Seems to me that, save for the Jet defender falling while covering Bradley, the Bears have yet to burn a team blitzing.

 

Ron Turner is not a good offensive Coordinator