Week 12: Bears at New England - Sunday, Nov 26, 3 pm CST

[Sammy Sofa]

Bears 3 games up in the NFC over the Giants, Saints and Panthers with 6 to play. If the Bears play .500 ball (and they should with Det, Min, GB, Tampa left), one of those teams would have to go 6-0 to match them..and even then, the Bears have the tie breaker over the Giants at least.

I don't think anyone has been so head and shoulders ahead of the rest of their conference in a while like the Bears are this year. Maybe the Rams in 2001 but that's about it.

 

As far as record? The Colts last year, the Eagles the year before that come to mind as teams who were so far ahead that they clinched the conference a month ahead of time. The Bears are enjoying a similar run this year, and it should be an easy run to HFA-my question to Bears fans is, do you want to rest starters or not? It's a very tough issue.

Certainly play Benson more and get griese some snaps.

 

Well I'm excited for this game!

 

My argument about getting Griese excessive time is that Rex still needs the experience, especially going into the playoffs.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Fearless prediction.........

 

BEARS       17
New England 19

 

Good for a 2 in your confidence pool.

 

Go BEARS !!

[BigSlick]

Bears 3 games up in the NFC over the Giants, Saints and Panthers with 6 to play. If the Bears play .500 ball (and they should with Det, Min, GB, Tampa left), one of those teams would have to go 6-0 to match them..and even then, the Bears have the tie breaker over the Giants at least.

I don't think anyone has been so head and shoulders ahead of the rest of their conference in a while like the Bears are this year. Maybe the Rams in 2001 but that's about it.

 

As far as record? The Colts last year, the Eagles the year before that come to mind as teams who were so far ahead that they clinched the conference a month ahead of time. The Bears are enjoying a similar run this year, and it should be an easy run to HFA-my question to Bears fans is, do you want to rest starters or not? It's a very tough issue.

 

I'd like to see the starters play entire half's at least. That would be fine for me.

 

Plus- I'd like to see the Bears sweep the Packers, and defend their home turf in Favre's (likely) last game.

[CubColtPacer]

Here you go Bears fans. Here's a satire involving the Patriots injury report and Rex Grossman that I saw on another board, and many fans thought it was hilarious-so enjoy.

 

http://thebrushback.com/grossman_full.htm

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Here you go Bears fans. Here's a satire involving the Patriots injury report and Rex Grossman that I saw on another board, and many fans thought it was hilarious-so enjoy.

 

http://thebrushback.com/grossman_full.htm

 

Awesome.

[Guest]

Look for me in the stands. I'll be the one getting beat up by drunken Pats fans.

 

Tony, you really need to do something about your propensity for mixing it up with opposing fans !! :wink:

 

Hey, last time it was against (dumb) Cubs fans :)

 

after listening to MLB 175 today and some of the callers, I want to beat up cub fans too. and the host. terrible.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I remember UMFan telling us what the Cubs fan was saying (defending Dusty? I forgot now) and I gotta say the other fan had it coming.

[UMFan83]

Hester made a public appearence today wearing a Cardinals hat.....Grrr.

[UMFan83]

I remember UMFan telling us what the Cubs fan was saying (defending Dusty? I forgot now) and I gotta say the other fan had it coming.

 

I was booing another pathetic loss (I believe the Cubs had some from behind to take the lead going into the 9th and then Dempster blew it)

 

This is what I posted in that game thread:

 

Just got back from the game. Watched the game with Mark_R, sethuel1, vance, Serena, and Fred. Almost got into a fight with a Cubs fan after the game that was pissed that we were mocking Neifi and booing bad plays. Normally don't do that, but this guy said something to the effect of 'you have to cheer for Dusty because he's the manager'. He then told me I should be wearing a White Sox jersey or something. Good times.

 

BTW Cali, I haven't forgotten about what we talked about a few weeks ago. I just haven't had time to ship it out. When I get back from Thanksgiving, that will be one of the first things I do.

 

Fake Edit: I don't know why I decided to post that personal note on a public forum rather then PM him or even easier IM him. I also don't know why I used something called a fake edit.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

BTW Cali, I haven't forgotten about what we talked about a few weeks ago. I just haven't had time to ship it out. When I get back from Thanksgiving, that will be one of the first things I do.

 

Fake Edit: I don't know why I decided to post that personal note on a public forum rather then PM him or even easier IM him. I also don't know why I used something called a fake edit.

 

Fake Post: Take your time, thanks!!! :)

[Laura]

I remember UMFan telling us what the Cubs fan was saying (defending Dusty? I forgot now) and I gotta say the other fan had it coming.

 

I was there, I suppose I should post it in the get-together thread, but it was awesome. I haven't met anyone from here whom I haven't liked. So far, anyway.

 

I was booing another pathetic loss (I believe the Cubs had some from behind to take the lead going into the 9th and then Dempster blew it)

 

Ugggh .. it was this game. That's pretty bad. The Brewers scored 4 runs in the 9th to win 8-5.

 

Admittedly, we were voicing our displeasure over a lot of personnel and managerial moves during this complete collapse.

 

This is what I posted in that game thread:

 

Just got back from the game. Watched the game with Mark_R, sethuel1, vance, Serena, and Fred. Almost got into a fight with a Cubs fan after the game that was pissed that we were mocking Neifi and booing bad plays. Normally don't do that, but this guy said something to the effect of 'you have to cheer for Dusty because he's the manager'. He then told me I should be wearing a White Sox jersey or something. Good times.

 

Basically, this really drunk guy in front of UMF got really pissed off at the slow, slow, horrible breakdown that occurred in the 9th inning and resorted to shouting at UMF that all Cubs Fans needed to support Dusty Baker no matter what. "He's our manager, man!" He also said that UMF shouldn't be wearing a Cubs jersey because he criticized the Cubs.

 

UMF earned my respect that night by stating the facts and avoiding the fight with Drunk Guy. Despite all of us being there to back him up. He did not back down, in fact he laughed through most of it.

 

Drunk Guy couldn't accept that we were laughing sarcastically at the breakdown. Which might sound terrible, but when you witness that kind of breakdown in person and know it's coming ... humor really is the only healthy alternative. The Cubs really really sucked, and this guy was blaming us for the Cubs sucking. Just because we knew it was coming. Apparently he hadn't been watching a lot of '06 Cubs games.

 

Drunk guy was also angry because we got along with a couple of funny Brewers fans who showed up in full regalia and secured front row bleacher seats. They were psyched to win in the 9th inning. I don't blame them, but Drunk Guy thought they should be beaten for rooting for their team.

[Guest]

I haven't met anyone from here whom I haven't liked. So far, anyway.

 

come on out to California - we'll change that in a hurry!

[goonys evil twin]

The Rex attacks continue.

 

This morning Mike and Mike were talking about the QB's in the league and who you would start a team with. I don't recall who they picked, but I believe it was something like Eli or Rivers. That's not the issue though.

 

The issue is how they talked about Grossman. First of all they talked about how he started but has regressed the past couple weeks. Yes, he did start hot and then regress. But that's a rather simplistic version of the events. He lit the league on fire to start the season. He sucked against Arizona, magnificent against SF, bad against Miami, very good against the Giants and perfectly fine against the Jets. He's lit teams up from the start, come from behind, and played it safe. No, he's not the perfect QB. But still, people are pimping up Tony Freaking Romo after 5 freaking games (in which he has 5 ints), and talking about Grossman like a liability for this team. As was pointed out in the Sun Times, Grossman has the best winning percentage of any active QB who has 16 starts.

 

I was never a huge Grossman fan. I didn't want him drafted. But the fact is the guy has been a wonderful QB for the Bears and he's been taking an inordinate amount of hits from people for not doing it the way they want him to do it. And it's not just coming from meathead Bears fans who talk about toughness and Bear weather and all that gibberish. The national media despises Grossman.

[UMFan83]

The best thing about Grossman is that he's learning while winning.

 

He started out strong, then teams learned how to game plan against him. Now he is making adjustments. From what I hear he is a very hard worker, spending tons and tons of time studying game film and what not. Once he learns to recognize defenses better and what not, I kinda expect him to pick his game up and start putting up more consistent numbers. The good thing is, the Bears pretty much have this all locked up and have the next 6 games to continue to learn and evolve. The hope is that by the playoffs, he will be where he should be at.

 

That said, this game will be a huge test and will go a long way in seeing whether Grossman will be a true stud in the league or an above average QB who can pick apart bad defenses.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Grossman's hot start is misleading people to think that he's going to be an all-world QB. He's definitley not going to be and that's fine. He just needs to not kill the team when he's playing poorly. If he puts up 200 yards a game and doesn't create many turnovers, then the Bears are talented enough elsewhere to still win the majority of their games.

 

BTW, Grossman is currently 13th in the NFL in QB Rating with an 83.5. That ranks him ahead of Favre, Hasselbeck, Delhomme, McNair, E. Manning, Roethlisberger, Vick, and Plummer.

[CubColtPacer]

The Rex attacks continue.

 

This morning Mike and Mike were talking about the QB's in the league and who you would start a team with. I don't recall who they picked, but I believe it was something like Eli or Rivers. That's not the issue though.

 

The issue is how they talked about Grossman. First of all they talked about how he started but has regressed the past couple weeks. Yes, he did start hot and then regress. But that's a rather simplistic version of the events. He lit the league on fire to start the season. He sucked against Arizona, magnificent against SF, bad against Miami, very good against the Giants and perfectly fine against the Jets. He's lit teams up from the start, come from behind, and played it safe. No, he's not the perfect QB. But still, people are pimping up Tony Freaking Romo after 5 freaking games (in which he has 5 ints), and talking about Grossman like a liability for this team. As was pointed out in the Sun Times, Grossman has the best winning percentage of any active QB who has 16 starts.

 

I was never a huge Grossman fan. I didn't want him drafted. But the fact is the guy has been a wonderful QB for the Bears and he's been taking an inordinate amount of hits from people for not doing it the way they want him to do it. And it's not just coming from meathead Bears fans who talk about toughness and Bear weather and all that gibberish. The national media despises Grossman.

 

I heard the same thing, and did not perceive it as an attack on Grossman. The question was-if you could start a franchise with one of these QB's right now-Romo, Rivers, Palmer, Grossman, Big Ben, or Eli Manning-who would you pick?

 

Golic's order-Palmer, Rivers, Big Ben, Grossman, than Eli last. Romo he said didn't qualify because we don't know enough about him yet, even though he's played very well in his 4 starts.

 

When they talked about Grossman, they seemed to see him as a guy with great potential who has been up and down. All they said is they would like to see a middle ground from him: some games where he is neither great nor horrible (which I believe he has had 1 or 2). They basically though credited him for the Bears great season so far, and said that which Grossman shows up will be the key to how far they go in the playoffs.

[Chocolate Milk]

The Rex attacks continue.

 

This morning Mike and Mike were talking about the QB's in the league and who you would start a team with. I don't recall who they picked, but I believe it was something like Eli or Rivers. That's not the issue though.

 

The issue is how they talked about Grossman. First of all they talked about how he started but has regressed the past couple weeks. Yes, he did start hot and then regress. But that's a rather simplistic version of the events. He lit the league on fire to start the season. He sucked against Arizona, magnificent against SF, bad against Miami, very good against the Giants and perfectly fine against the Jets. He's lit teams up from the start, come from behind, and played it safe. No, he's not the perfect QB. But still, people are pimping up Tony Freaking Romo after 5 freaking games (in which he has 5 ints), and talking about Grossman like a liability for this team. As was pointed out in the Sun Times, Grossman has the best winning percentage of any active QB who has 16 starts.

 

I was never a huge Grossman fan. I didn't want him drafted. But the fact is the guy has been a wonderful QB for the Bears and he's been taking an inordinate amount of hits from people for not doing it the way they want him to do it. And it's not just coming from meathead Bears fans who talk about toughness and Bear weather and all that gibberish. The national media despises Grossman.

 

I think the issue is that many of them said he was going to suck coming out of college. Now they are almost rooting for him to suck so they can be justified in saying so earlier.

 

I listened to that part of Mike and Mike and I was upset that they didn't take into account who is around these QB's. Tony Romo is playing well, no doubt, but look what he is surrounded with: T.O. Terry Glenn and Jason Witten. What about Rivers? Gates, LT, McCardell.

 

Now, I don't want to "dog" the Bears WR's and skill position players, but they aren't even close to being the caliber of the Chargers or the Cowboys.

[Chocolate Milk]

The Rex attacks continue.

 

This morning Mike and Mike were talking about the QB's in the league and who you would start a team with. I don't recall who they picked, but I believe it was something like Eli or Rivers. That's not the issue though.

 

The issue is how they talked about Grossman. First of all they talked about how he started but has regressed the past couple weeks. Yes, he did start hot and then regress. But that's a rather simplistic version of the events. He lit the league on fire to start the season. He sucked against Arizona, magnificent against SF, bad against Miami, very good against the Giants and perfectly fine against the Jets. He's lit teams up from the start, come from behind, and played it safe. No, he's not the perfect QB. But still, people are pimping up Tony Freaking Romo after 5 freaking games (in which he has 5 ints), and talking about Grossman like a liability for this team. As was pointed out in the Sun Times, Grossman has the best winning percentage of any active QB who has 16 starts.

 

I was never a huge Grossman fan. I didn't want him drafted. But the fact is the guy has been a wonderful QB for the Bears and he's been taking an inordinate amount of hits from people for not doing it the way they want him to do it. And it's not just coming from meathead Bears fans who talk about toughness and Bear weather and all that gibberish. The national media despises Grossman.

 

I heard the same thing, and did not perceive it as an attack on Grossman. The question was-if you could start a franchise with one of these QB's right now-Romo, Rivers, Palmer, Grossman, Big Ben, or Eli Manning-who would you pick?

 

Golic's order-Palmer, Rivers, Big Ben, Grossman, than Eli last. Romo he said didn't qualify because we don't know enough about him yet, even though he's played very well in his 4 starts.

 

When they talked about Grossman, they seemed to see him as a guy with great potential who has been up and down. All they said is they would like to see a middle ground from him: some games where he is neither great nor horrible (which I believe he has had 1 or 2). They basically though credited him for the Bears great season so far, and said that which Grossman shows up will be the key to how far they go in the playoffs.

 

I couldn't disagree with the order they put those guys.

[goonys evil twin]

I heard the same thing, and did not perceive it as an attack on Grossman. The question was-if you could start a franchise with one of these QB's right now-Romo, Rivers, Palmer, Grossman, Big Ben, or Eli Manning-who would you pick?

 

Golic's order-Palmer, Rivers, Big Ben, Grossman, than Eli last. Romo he said didn't qualify because we don't know enough about him yet, even though he's played very well in his 4 starts.

 

When they talked about Grossman, they seemed to see him as a guy with great potential who has been up and down. All they said is they would like to see a middle ground from him: some games where he is neither great nor horrible (which I believe he has had 1 or 2). They basically though credited him for the Bears great season so far, and said that which Grossman shows up will be the key to how far they go in the playoffs.

 

It's not that they picked others over him, it's the way they talked about him. Wanting to see more middle ground from him is just plain stupid. He's had plenty of middle ground games in his career. But why wouldn't you want great games. These guys are licking Romo's butt, and they are not crediting Grossman for anything. They flat out said the Bears don't need him to win, so he gets no credit. But the Jets need Pennington to win games for them, so he gets credit for the wins. They keep saying he was bad against the Jets, and don't even acknowledge that he had a great game vs NY.

[Chocolate Milk]

I heard the same thing, and did not perceive it as an attack on Grossman. The question was-if you could start a franchise with one of these QB's right now-Romo, Rivers, Palmer, Grossman, Big Ben, or Eli Manning-who would you pick?

 

Golic's order-Palmer, Rivers, Big Ben, Grossman, than Eli last. Romo he said didn't qualify because we don't know enough about him yet, even though he's played very well in his 4 starts.

 

When they talked about Grossman, they seemed to see him as a guy with great potential who has been up and down. All they said is they would like to see a middle ground from him: some games where he is neither great nor horrible (which I believe he has had 1 or 2). They basically though credited him for the Bears great season so far, and said that which Grossman shows up will be the key to how far they go in the playoffs.

 

It's not that they picked others over him, it's the way they talked about him. Wanting to see more middle ground from him is just plain stupid. He's had plenty of middle ground games in his career. But why wouldn't you want great games. These guys are licking Romo's butt, and they are not crediting Grossman for anything. They flat out said the Bears don't need him to win, so he gets no credit. But the Jets need Pennington to win games for them, so he gets credit for the wins. They keep saying he was bad against the Jets, and don't even acknowledge that he had a great game vs NY.

 

Not to mention he wasn't really "bad" against the Jets, but whatever.

[Soul]

They're desperate for Chicago to fail. It's so obvious.

 

Grossman's such an easy target. Last week he ran Turner's game plan to a T, not forcing the ball, using his outlets, and not turning the ball over a single time. So they call him Orton. The week before he had a 100+ passer rating and racked up 260 yards in the air. So they focused on the early part of the game when he struggled.

 

Rivers struggled against Cincy and Denver in the first half, yet all they can talk about are his movie star looks and how incredible he is.

 

It's gotten to the point of total hypocrisy with these people.

 

Mike Golic himself called for Grossman to take care of the ball after the Phins game. Now he's saying Grossman regressed because he did what he wanted him to? That's pathetic. Someone go over there and stuff a cream pie in his face, he deserves it. Greenie too. Freaking hypocrites.

[EricG]

They're desperate for Chicago to fail. It's so obvious.

 

Grossman's such an easy target. Last week he ran Turner's game plan to a T, not forcing the ball, using his outlets, and not turning the ball over a single time.

He threw an early INT that lead to a TD.

[goonys evil twin]

They're desperate for Chicago to fail. It's so obvious.

 

Grossman's such an easy target. Last week he ran Turner's game plan to a T, not forcing the ball, using his outlets, and not turning the ball over a single time.

He threw an early INT that lead to a TD.

 

The Bears won 10-0 though, so that doesn't make sense.

[Chocolate Milk]

They're desperate for Chicago to fail. It's so obvious.

 

Grossman's such an easy target. Last week he ran Turner's game plan to a T, not forcing the ball, using his outlets, and not turning the ball over a single time.

He threw an early INT that lead to a TD.

 

What?

[ctcf]

What?

 

I second that