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I like that she took the total # of strikeouts in 2006 (160) and divided it into the value of the entire contract.

 

It should have been $106,000 per K, not $850,000 per K. Apparently you don't need basic math skills to be a journalist these days.

 

Haha whatta douchebag.

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After a day to let this sink in I have decided that only 2 outcomes can come from this signing.

 

1. Cubs win the World Series in the next couple of years with Soriano being a plus 9 OPS guy. Great signing

 

or

 

2. Cubs not win the WS in the next couple of years and Soriano is putting up Jacque Jones type numbers in 2010. Horrendous signing

 

 

I pray its 1 but would be more inclined to beat on 2.

How about:

 

1) Aramis eats himself off third base, but we can't move him to 1B because Derrek is already there

2) The pitching doesn't come through

3) We don't win the WS even though Soriano breaks through to a 1.00+ level of OPS

 

 

What I was really saying is if we win the WS it is a good signing if not it is going to be a bad signing. I really think it boils down to that. The money is too much for the talent. The only justification is we win the World Series.

 

If we win the World Series, it won't be because we signed Soriano. He's not a good enough player to take a 66 win team and turn them into WS champions. He might contribute, though, and I guess that's what you're saying.

 

To be fair there isn't ONE PLAYER IN BASEBALL that can help win a World Series by himself---and that includes Albert Pujols.

 

That was more or less my point, even if I didn't word it well. Let's put it this way. Soriano could play well below the value of his contract all 8 years, yet the Cubs could win the world series multiple times. Or, Soriano could averge a .900 OPS for 8 years and the Cubs could stink the entire time. Whether or not the Cubs win the WS won't determine whether the contract is good or bad.

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OPS against selected pitchers:

 

Schilling .750

Zambrano .250

Wood .714

Buerhle .548

Sabathia 1.132

Bonderman .664

Willis 1.446

Pettite 1.750

Oswalt .450

Lowe .594

Color .654

J. Santana .250 (6 ABs)

Radke .706

Pedro .414 (43 ABs)

Glavine 1.007

Musinna .958

Harden .364 (22 ABs)

Haren 1.385

Zito .392 (36 ABs)

Moyer .772

Meyers .979

Peavy 1.700 (5 ABs)

C. Young 1.333 (6 ABs)

Schmidt .714 (7 ABs)

Washburn .472

Carpenter 1.040 (25 ABs)

Suppan .511

Mulder 1.143

Kazmir .511

Burnett .200

Halladay .606 (54 ABs)

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I like that she took the total # of strikeouts in 2006 (160) and divided it into the value of the entire contract.

 

It should have been $106,000 per K, not $850,000 per K. Apparently you don't need basic math skills to be a journalist these days.

 

Haha whatta douchebag.

 

Maybe she thinks now that he's in Chicago he'll only have 160 K's over the next 8 years.

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Can't let this one go, just listened to Dan Patrick from yesterday quote

 

'Soriano will only hit bad pitching , if your pitching staff is bad watch out, if he faces tough pitcher it's 0-4 everyday. Good luck to the cubs , ride him to the playoffs but count on him to do nothing after that'.

 

Any of our stats people want to look if this is factually correct, what are his numbers like against Oswalt Carpenter etc? How did he do against Floridas staff last year? they seemed to have a pretty decent team era.Maybe Patricks right but i'd sure like to know.

 

Pretty funny seeing as he hit a would-be World Series winning homerun off of Curt Schilling.

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Can't let this one go, just listened to Dan Patrick from yesterday quote

 

'Soriano will only hit bad pitching , if your pitching staff is bad watch out, if he faces tough pitcher it's 0-4 everyday. Good luck to the cubs , ride him to the playoffs but count on him to do nothing after that'.

 

Any of our stats people want to look if this is factually correct, what are his numbers like against Oswalt Carpenter etc? How did he do against Floridas staff last year? they seemed to have a pretty decent team era.Maybe Patricks right but i'd sure like to know.

 

Pretty funny seeing as he hit a would-be World Series winning homerun off of Curt Schilling.

 

Isn't that true of most hitters? Hitters hit pitchers' mistakes. Bad pitchers make more mistakes than good pitchers. If every pitch was thrown where it was supposed to be, there would be little to no offense.

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Can't let this one go, just listened to Dan Patrick from yesterday quote

 

'Soriano will only hit bad pitching , if your pitching staff is bad watch out, if he faces tough pitcher it's 0-4 everyday. Good luck to the cubs , ride him to the playoffs but count on him to do nothing after that'.

 

Any of our stats people want to look if this is factually correct, what are his numbers like against Oswalt Carpenter etc? How did he do against Floridas staff last year? they seemed to have a pretty decent team era.Maybe Patricks right but i'd sure like to know.

 

Pretty funny seeing as he hit a would-be World Series winning homerun off of Curt Schilling.

 

Isn't that true of most hitters? Hitters hit pitchers' mistakes. Bad pitchers make more mistakes than good pitchers. If every pitch was thrown where it was supposed to be, there would be little to no offense.

 

Most hitters have hit would-be World Series winning homeruns off of Curt Schilling?

 

One at bat does not a hitter make. Nor does a single playoff run. However, in this myopic view taken by Dan Patrick's guest, wouldn't a homerun off a great pitcher in likely Soriano's most important at bat ever qualify as hitting a good pitcher or hitting in the playoffs?

 

I'm not saying that single homerun says anything about Soriano's talents, but I'd think Patrick's guest would.

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I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but Bruce Miles mentions today that it is believed Soriano gets no-trade protection for the first five years of the contract.

 

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/story.asp?id=252158

 

Sorry haven't been paying too close attention the last couple days, but did we ever find out anything about option years?

I'm pretty sure they don't exist. Every report/article written so far is calling it a straightforward 8-year deal.

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Can't let this one go, just listened to Dan Patrick from yesterday quote

 

'Soriano will only hit bad pitching , if your pitching staff is bad watch out, if he faces tough pitcher it's 0-4 everyday. Good luck to the cubs , ride him to the playoffs but count on him to do nothing after that'.

 

Any of our stats people want to look if this is factually correct, what are his numbers like against Oswalt Carpenter etc? How did he do against Floridas staff last year? they seemed to have a pretty decent team era.Maybe Patricks right but i'd sure like to know.

 

Pretty funny seeing as he hit a would-be World Series winning homerun off of Curt Schilling.

 

Isn't that true of most hitters? Hitters hit pitchers' mistakes. Bad pitchers make more mistakes than good pitchers. If every pitch was thrown where it was supposed to be, there would be little to no offense.

 

Most hitters have hit would-be World Series winning homeruns off of Curt Schilling?

 

One at bat does not a hitter make. Nor does a single playoff run. However, in this myopic view taken by Dan Patrick's guest, wouldn't a homerun off a great pitcher in likely Soriano's most important at bat ever qualify as hitting a good pitcher or hitting in the playoffs?

 

I'm not saying that single homerun says anything about Soriano's talents, but I'd think Patrick's guest would.

 

it's just talking point fodder. some hitters hit some pitchers well and others not. sometimes there is a rhyme or reason to it, sometimes there is not.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6154/batvspit;_ylt=Arposg5K021XCg9s1BdRO6.FCLcF?year=career&type=Batting

 

 

just looking at some prominent lefties, Mulder, Pettitte, Dontrelle, and Glavine would disagree with Dan Patrick. Santana, Buehrle and Zito would agree with Dan Patrick.

 

in sum, an absurd comment by Dan Patrick.

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wow . . . 149 pages

 

Of which about 139 are impulsive stream of consciousness posts on stuff tangentially related (at best) to the topic :wink:

 

FM, how do Cards fans generally feel about the Fonzie deal?

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Can't let this one go, just listened to Dan Patrick from yesterday quote

 

'Soriano will only hit bad pitching , if your pitching staff is bad watch out, if he faces tough pitcher it's 0-4 everyday. Good luck to the cubs , ride him to the playoffs but count on him to do nothing after that'.

 

Any of our stats people want to look if this is factually correct, what are his numbers like against Oswalt Carpenter etc? How did he do against Floridas staff last year? they seemed to have a pretty decent team era.Maybe Patricks right but i'd sure like to know.

 

Pretty funny seeing as he hit a would-be World Series winning homerun off of Curt Schilling.

 

Isn't that true of most hitters? Hitters hit pitchers' mistakes. Bad pitchers make more mistakes than good pitchers. If every pitch was thrown where it was supposed to be, there would be little to no offense.

 

Most hitters have hit would-be World Series winning homeruns off of Curt Schilling?

 

One at bat does not a hitter make. Nor does a single playoff run. However, in this myopic view taken by Dan Patrick's guest, wouldn't a homerun off a great pitcher in likely Soriano's most important at bat ever qualify as hitting a good pitcher or hitting in the playoffs?

 

I'm not saying that single homerun says anything about Soriano's talents, but I'd think Patrick's guest would.

 

it's just talking point fodder. some hitters hit some pitchers well and others not. sometimes there is a rhyme or reason to it, sometimes there is not.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6154/batvspit;_ylt=Arposg5K021XCg9s1BdRO6.FCLcF?year=career&type=Batting

 

 

just looking at some prominent lefties, Mulder, Pettitte, Dontrelle, and Glavine would disagree with Dan Patrick. Santana, Buehrle and Zito would agree with Dan Patrick.

 

in sum, an absurd comment by Dan Patrick.

 

Yes, I agree it's absolutely absurd. I just find it funny that they didn't take this one "clutch" moment and run with that. Instead, they relied on the 2003 (I think) playoffs when he struck out seemingly every time.

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