Cubs sign Soriano

[b_wiggy_66]

If Sorianos playing right and leading off,who will be in center?

 

At this time Jones

[Soriano12]

who will be in center?

 

Who

[CUBZ99]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

 

I am going out on a limb that Hendry finds another checkbook and signs Drew as well...

 

:lol: :lol: Would be great, but I'm still in amazement that he spent the money to get Soriano, so I'm afraid to get too optimistic.

[Rob]

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

 

I didn't assume a decline. You're right I didn't use EqA to justify my claims. Oh wait...

 

At some point we have to look beyond the stats. I don't care what they say, only having a player 2/3 of the season a a premium price isn't acceptable. The you start dealing with unknowns like when the player is going to be injured, which part of the season will you be missing your high-priced production. The stretch run, the playoffs?

 

being risk adverse won't help you win in the playoffs.

 

Would it then be fair to assess the expected CPIB (consumer price index of baseballplayers) to be about 4.5%? My excel is broke, but using that, could some one create a present value of the last few years of Sorianos contract assuming no money deferred and its not front or back weighted? Off the top of my head I would say in the last few years, his contract will be the equivalent of about 13M/year. So then the question is, do you think Sori will be as good then as Sheff is now. Its an interesting way of looking at things. Of course that would mean that Sori would actually have to improve.

 

17

16.26794258

15.56740917

14.89704227

14.25554284

13.64166779

13.05422755

12.49208378

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Woohoo, my brain is as smart as Excel!!!! Seriously, life and especially work is debilitating without Excel. God, that is nerdy.

 

Ummm... did you miss third grade math class?

 

12.49 rounds down to 12.

 

12 != 13

 

You were way off.

[Mephistopheles]

I dunno about you guys, but I didn't see anything about the Red Sox interested in Soriano, but I did see them looking at Lugo and Drew.

 

Only because Theo knew all 32 GMs wanted Soriano so he just decided to go with plan B.

 

There weren't any rumors that he wanted Soriano when Drew hadnt declared for free agency.

[nilodnayr]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

2) Bruce and Lou say hes playing right

3) word was that it was a no trade clause for the first 5 years, which is stupid because after that he can invoke the 10/5 rule to block any trade.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

 

I posted this before, but Kaplan said on SportsCentral last week that Hendry loved Murton, but he was almost certain that Jones would not be with the team in Spring Training.

 

Thanks.

 

Soriano not playing center really hurts the overall value of the deal for the Cubs. Replacing Juan P is a lot bigger then replacing Jones.

[abuck1220]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

 

i think it's smoke and mirrors...i think he'll be gone soon.

[Mephistopheles]

12 != 13

 

Im a math major.

 

12 ! = 479001600

[Guest]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

 

I posted this before, but Kaplan said on SportsCentral last week that Hendry loved Murton, but he was almost certain that Jones would not be with the team in Spring Training.

 

Thanks.

 

Soriano not playing center really hurts the overall value of the deal for the Cubs. Replacing Juan P is a lot bigger then replacing Jones.

Well, if things don't change, Soriano did replace Juan P.

[VanceJergins]

ok guys im finally caught up and ready to fight (sorry it took me so long)

 

i hate soriano because he is ugly WHO WANTS TO DISAGREE

 

He's no GQ stud like Murton, be he's kinda cute.....well I mean....thats what I think girls would say.

[CubsInNC]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

Speculation is that he'll be traded (as per his rumored request/desire) and someone else will be still sought for CF. In fact, Sweet Lou said on the radio that they're still looking for someone for CF.

 

Is it possible that Lou realizes what Jones' splits are, and would consider a platoon with Murton? Not that Matt's that deficient againstr righties...

[Guest]

12 != 13

 

Im a math major.

 

12 ! = 479001600

:D same thought occurred to me when I saw that.

[Guest]

The key questions so far...

 

1) Are there options? Are they player or team options?

2) Can he handle CF?

3) Is there a NTC?

 

For #2, the Honorable Bruce Miles said with some certainty that he would be playing RF.

 

Are they committed to J. Jones in CF or is that just smoke and mirrors?

 

Sorry if this has been discussed. Heh, considering the thread size I'm sure it has.

Speculation is that he'll be traded (as per his rumored request/desire) and someone else will be still sought for CF. In fact, Sweet Lou said on the radio that they're still looking for someone for CF.

 

Is it possible that Lou realizes what Jones' splits are, and would consider a platoon with Murton? Not that Matt's that deficient againstr righties...

Anything is possible. Heck, the Cubs just spent $138M on Soriano. Anything could happen.

[FergieJ31]

12 != 13

 

Im a math major.

 

12 ! = 479001600

 

Rob must know C++: != is the not-equal operator.

[Rob]

12 != 13

 

Im a math major.

 

12 ! = 479001600

 

Stupid coding fighting stupid math principles.

 

12 =/= 13

 

?

[Guest]

12 != 13

 

Im a math major.

 

12 ! = 479001600

 

Rob must know C++: != is the not-equal operator.

Many languages use that in place of

 

Whenever I switch languages, it's one of the things that I always have to look up again.

[Mephistopheles]

math > c++

[VanceJergins]

I dunno about you guys, but I didn't see anything about the Red Sox interested in Soriano, but I did see them looking at Lugo and Drew.

 

Only because Theo knew all 32 GMs wanted Soriano so he just decided to go with plan B.

 

There weren't any rumors that he wanted Soriano when Drew hadnt declared for free agency.

 

There werent any rumors that Columbus was looking for America but that seems to be working out for everyone, now doesnt it?

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Surveys are nothing, but I did think this was interesting....

 

We at ESPN.com surveyed 20 general managers, assistant GMs, and assorted scouts and personnel people for their takes on six hot stove questions of interest. Here's how they responded:

Question, Alfonso Soriano or Carlos Lee?

 

Responses: Soriano 19, Lee 1.

 

Link for full article: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2662662

Edited November 20, 2006 by CheeseHead Cubs Fan

[CoolHandLuke]

math > c++

 

this thread is quickly turning into a giant nerd party.

[Guest]

math > c++

Syntax > math

 

Given the spacing in the original quote, it was clearly meant as a "not equal" operator! :P

[Mephistopheles]

There werent any rumors that Columbus was looking for America but that seems to be working out for everyone, now doesnt it?

 

What about the maps that had NA on them that were written in the 2nd century?

 

Syntax > math

 

Given the spacing in the original quote, it was clearly meant as a "not equal" operator!

 

thats why math theory >>> computer science

 

spaces dont matter

 

means like 10 different things![/b]

Edited November 20, 2006 by Mephistopheles

[nilodnayr]

Unfortunately, you failed to provide any facts to support your argument. Last year 162 games of Soriano was >>> than J.D. Drew. I think we need to stop assuming that age automatically equals decline in production. Soriano is only 30 years old. It is possible that he can continue his better numbers over the next few years.

 

I didn't assume a decline. You're right I didn't use EqA to justify my claims. Oh wait...

 

At some point we have to look beyond the stats. I don't care what they say, only having a player 2/3 of the season a a premium price isn't acceptable. The you start dealing with unknowns like when the player is going to be injured, which part of the season will you be missing your high-priced production. The stretch run, the playoffs?

 

being risk adverse won't help you win in the playoffs.

 

Would it then be fair to assess the expected CPIB (consumer price index of baseballplayers) to be about 4.5%? My excel is broke, but using that, could some one create a present value of the last few years of Sorianos contract assuming no money deferred and its not front or back weighted? Off the top of my head I would say in the last few years, his contract will be the equivalent of about 13M/year. So then the question is, do you think Sori will be as good then as Sheff is now. Its an interesting way of looking at things. Of course that would mean that Sori would actually have to improve.

 

17

16.26794258

15.56740917

14.89704227

14.25554284

13.64166779

13.05422755

12.49208378

[/b]

 

Woohoo, my brain is as smart as Excel!!!! Seriously, life and especially work is debilitating without Excel. God, that is nerdy.

 

Ummm... did you miss third grade math class?

 

12.49 rounds down to 12.

 

12 != 13

 

You were way off.

 

ha, actually, I was thinking about his last 3 years, which average to 13.06. So excuse me for being off by 60K/year. :D

[Andy]

ok guys im finally caught up and ready to fight (sorry it took me so long)

 

i hate soriano because he is ugly WHO WANTS TO DISAGREE

At least you made your opinion without using stats