Cubs sign Soriano

[rickrolled]

You guys are basing the begining of Drews career over Sorianos complete career. You cant compare them. On another note I tried to delete that post because it didnt make sense.

 

you should probably do that with all of your posts

[Guest]

KC,

 

How about this question: how large would the payroll have to grow to in order for your to feel this was a positive move? If the Cubs were still able to go out and get Lugo to upgrade at SS and upgrade the pitching, would you then feel differently about this move?

[WrigleyField 22]

Wow, Soriano that quickly. I'm possibly pleased. I'd rather have had Drew, but the injury concerns are there, and Soriano's athleticism do give him a better chance than most to stay productive at advanced ages. A career year at 30 is cause for concern,

 

To all the people suggesting it could be a 5/90 with 46 mil in options: why would the options be for less per year than the first 5 years? I'd see it more likely at 5/80 (16 mil per) with options for years 6-8 for 17, 18, and 20.

 

Well it depends on if they are team or player options. If thery are team options, Soriano surely would have demanded they be smaller so if they are not excercised he still gets most of his deal.

[rjchapma]

I dont try to revise every post I write I just state my opinion sorry.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

You guys are basing the begining of Drews career over Sorianos complete career. You cant compare them. On another note I tried to delete that post because it didnt make sense.

 

COMPARE THEIR CAREERS. PLEASE. YOU ARE FAILING TO REALIZE THAT DREW HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD OVER THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER, WITH SOME OF HIS BETTER WORK COMING MORE RECENTLY AND THE FACT THAT SORIANO'S CAREER YEAR LAST YEAR BROUGHT A SLIGHTLY LOWER OPS+ THAN DREW'S AVERAGE.

[ChiCubsFan]

Drew isnt that good thats why and you guys highly overrate with him.

 

You should meet my friend, Mr. Facts.

 

Hmmm, Mr. Facts shows that out of 8 seasons for Drew, 4 of them were seriously hampered due to injury and 2 others were less than 140 games.

 

That's what is known in the real universe as a player with injury problems.

 

Minus breaking his wrist last year due to being HBP -- which can't really be attributed to being injury prone, I think -- he's been fairly healthy the last three years.

 

Okay, well you can't just look at the past 3 years and ignore the first 5. Especially when last year he missed time (although a fluke injury). IIRC he was also injured some in 2005. Didn't miss a ton of time but had some sort of injury.

 

I will say that he gets minor injuries fairly often, but 145 games of Drew > Soriano IMO. Without the broken wrist last year, I imagine he ends up between 140 and 150 games.

 

I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in looking at 3 year trends rather than a whole career.

 

But how can you look at a 3 year trend when you can't even look at one of the years? You can't just say if he didnt break his wrist he wouldn't have gotten hurt some other way. He's shown a tendency to get injured. He's gotten 500 ABs or more once in 8 years. Despite all this I would rather have Drew than Soriano, but I can see why JH would be worried to bank on J.D. staying healthy and saving his job.

[XZero771679666304]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Drew is great, but I think it is just as likely he'll miss 2/3 of a season as play 2/3 of a season in any given year.

 

And yes, I am acutely aware of his past 3 years.

 

If he'd sign an option or incentive heavy contract, I'd be ecstatic to have him. If some other team is willing to give him 15M/per year ona guaranteed contract, I say good luck with that.

 

There is a reason he will be on his 4th team in 5 years.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

i don't know what's so hard to understand about this:

 

i believe signing soriano is a positive move for the cubs. soriano is a very good player who will help us offensively. at the same time, i think there's a lot of questions that have to be asked when the cubs are committing the next 6-8 years and 100+ million to a player many justifiably feel is overrated. this move makes the cubs a better team, but how much better remains to be seen.

 

we'll see.

[rjchapma]

Numbers wise you guys have made your point im not denying that, but It was my opinion and I think it was a very good signing.

[Bruno7481]

My brain hurts. I'm going to bed.

[WrigleyField 22]

There is a reason he will be on his 4th team in 5 years.

 

Because he chose to opt out of his contract?

 

Thats the reason I see.

[Careless]

most you guys wanted him for his bat not his glove. If it was for his glove which isnt that great I wouldnt be apposed to it. Soriano is not that much worse in the outfield as drew though. Plus neither of them can play CF which we needed.

 

That makes no damn sense whatsoever.

it's like he's trying to say things that aren't true

[1908]

1000+ posts in eight and a half hours. Sweet.

[abuck1220]

I look at this deal in the same light I saw the Derosa deal. Derosa at 3/13 seemed a bit high but now seeing that Alex Gonzalez got 3/14 the Derosa looks a lot better.

 

no, now it's just two stupid deals instead of one. someone else making an even worse move doesn't make the cubs' move any better.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

1000+ posts in eight and a half hours. Sweet.

 

New land speed record?

[1908]

1000+ posts in eight and a half hours. Sweet.

 

New land speed record?

Yeah, I suspect the only thing that comes close are the '03 playoff game threads.

[SouthSideRyan]

But comparing to what SS did last year isn't really the proper comparison. It makes more sense to compare to what could reasonably be expected out of SS this year, which is a hell of a lot better than .208 just on a dead cat bounce.

 

keep reading. That's 9 runs. That doesn't make up the 11 run difference AND the contract differences. Keep in mind I used a VERY conservative projection on Julio Lugo.

 

Yeah I see the point was brought up later on. I went out to eat, came back 2 hours later and there were 20 more pages. However, replacement value doesn't have to be Izturis, I'd venture to guess Theriot would put up better #s than Izturis's career avgs(I'm guessing the stats may not bear this out, but I happen to think Theriot's dropping switch hitting really has made a big difference for him)

[CubColtPacer]

1000+ posts in eight and a half hours. Sweet.

 

New land speed record?

Yeah, I suspect the only thing that comes close are the '03 playoff game threads.

 

There were game threads this year that were longer than this. Only 3 or 4, but they were there.

[Guest]

Didn't some of the game threads reach this length in 3 1/2 hours?

[Andy]

1000+ posts in eight and a half hours. Sweet.

 

New land speed record?

Yeah, I suspect the only thing that comes close are the '03 playoff game threads.

The opening day thread was 84 pages long in premium or something.

[rjchapma]

I just think you guys are way to negative about everything. Either way you guys would have been upset even if we had signed Drew or if Soriano plays up to his contract.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

I just think you guys are way to negative about everything. Either way you guys would have been upset even if we had signed Drew or if Soriano plays up to his contract.

 

hard to be positive about a team who won 66 games last season.

[1908]

Didn't some of the game threads reach this length in 3 1/2 hours?

Sigh. Fine. Game threads are out.

[ctcf]

Instead of reading about 70 pages I'm going to step out on a limb and say the reaction was negative.

[10man]

Im sorry that I dont use OPS or other random statistics to always support my case Im sorry I have a life and am not looking them up 24/7 to rip on someone who is just stating his opinion.

OPS isn't a "random" stat. And it only takes about 15 seconds to look it up at any number of sites.

By not using OPS you openly admit to not using the stat that best determines offensive production in a cursory manner.

So, how do you judge a good player?

Batting average and RBI's.

:D

What?? Everybody knows that the only way to judge a good player is by eyeballing him yourself like any good scout would do! :lol: :lol: :lol: