College Football - Week of 11/11

[soccer10k]

What worries me is if Michigan beats Ohio State and Louisville continues to win who is going to be number 2.

 

I can't see how anybody would put OSU ahead of UL. It would totally suck for both Louisville AND Michigan. Michigan would of beaten OSU at Columbus and then have to follow it up with another win over OSU to win the NC, thats pretty ridiculous.

 

If Michigan doesnt win on Nov 18 and even if the game is close they do not deserve another chance either (unless Texas is next in line, Texas wont move in front of UL unless they lose). They had their chance and blew it, the way the system is set up they need to live with it and move on and let someone else have a crack at OSU like UL.

 

That true, if Texas is near the 2nd team and Ohio State is the one, what gives Texas the chance for a rematch and not Michigan. They had their shot, now it's Louisvilles turn if they run the table.

 

If Florida wins out, and that includes the SEC title game, OSU beats Michigan, and Louisville loses, I think they're deserving of the #2 spot in the nation. Their only loss is, essentially, a four point loss at Auburn since Auburn returned a fumble for a TD as time expired. I agree with what has been said about Texas and Michigan already having their shots at OSU - especially Texas since that game was in Austin.

 

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

[TruffleShuffle]

Penn State's weird, hard to measure season continues against the lowly Temple Owls. PSU is 6-4, has a terrible offense, but the 4 losses came against teams with a combined record of 37-2. If they had any offense at all they may have upset OSU or Michigan, and definitely could have beat Wisconsin. But they don't, so here we are, assuming they'll beat Temple and hoping they'll beat MSU to at least get a halfway decent bowl bid.

 

Actually if they beat Temple (or when they beat Temple) and Michigan State, they'll be going to the Outback Bowl. That's a real good bowl game... CFN has Penn State playing LSU in that game. If they lose to MSU, then they slide down to some of the middling bowls like the Alamo or Champs Sports Bowl.

[cubweiser03]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

[CuseCubFan69]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

Doesn't Arkansas have to lose twice in order to have Auburn win the division?

[soccer10k]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

[CubColtPacer]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

Doesn't Arkansas have to lose twice in order to have Auburn win the division?

 

Yes, Arkansas has a 1 game lead and the tiebreaker, so they would have to lose twice before the end of the year for Auburn to sneak into the SEC title game. It's possible though-Arkansas has Tennessee this week, and still has a team like LSU later in the year.

[Derwood]

Penn State's weird, hard to measure season continues against the lowly Temple Owls. PSU is 6-4, has a terrible offense, but the 4 losses came against teams with a combined record of 37-2. If they had any offense at all they may have upset OSU or Michigan, and definitely could have beat Wisconsin. But they don't, so here we are, assuming they'll beat Temple and hoping they'll beat MSU to at least get a halfway decent bowl bid.

 

Actually if they beat Temple (or when they beat Temple) and Michigan State, they'll be going to the Outback Bowl. That's a real good bowl game... CFN has Penn State playing LSU in that game. If they lose to MSU, then they slide down to some of the middling bowls like the Alamo or Champs Sports Bowl.

 

I feared being paired with an SEC team. I think the Tigers will lay waste to our Nittany Lions

[cubweiser03]

Penn State's weird, hard to measure season continues against the lowly Temple Owls. PSU is 6-4, has a terrible offense, but the 4 losses came against teams with a combined record of 37-2. If they had any offense at all they may have upset OSU or Michigan, and definitely could have beat Wisconsin. But they don't, so here we are, assuming they'll beat Temple and hoping they'll beat MSU to at least get a halfway decent bowl bid.

 

Actually if they beat Temple (or when they beat Temple) and Michigan State, they'll be going to the Outback Bowl. That's a real good bowl game... CFN has Penn State playing LSU in that game. If they lose to MSU, then they slide down to some of the middling bowls like the Alamo or Champs Sports Bowl.

 

I feared being paired with an SEC team. I think the Tigers will lay waste to our Nittany Lions

 

Pffft LSU aint gonna put up a lot of points agains the Lions. Now offensively....thats a whole new story. UT has pretty good success with the deep ball and Morelli seems to have a fond liking to chuck it up there, so who knows. Id rather Penn State play in that bowl for the B10 then Purdue.

 

Whats JoPa gonna do now that he cant walk up and down the sidelines making it appear as if he is busy? Dudes 'busy' gig is up. And oh he needs Lasic surgery bad, those are some real coke bottles he is working on. Not as big as Harry's but damn near as thick. Light bends like crazy when you look those things.

[Derwood]

Penn State's weird, hard to measure season continues against the lowly Temple Owls. PSU is 6-4, has a terrible offense, but the 4 losses came against teams with a combined record of 37-2. If they had any offense at all they may have upset OSU or Michigan, and definitely could have beat Wisconsin. But they don't, so here we are, assuming they'll beat Temple and hoping they'll beat MSU to at least get a halfway decent bowl bid.

 

Actually if they beat Temple (or when they beat Temple) and Michigan State, they'll be going to the Outback Bowl. That's a real good bowl game... CFN has Penn State playing LSU in that game. If they lose to MSU, then they slide down to some of the middling bowls like the Alamo or Champs Sports Bowl.

 

I feared being paired with an SEC team. I think the Tigers will lay waste to our Nittany Lions

 

Pffft LSU aint gonna put up a lot of points agains the Lions. Now offensively....thats a whole new story. UT has pretty good success with the deep ball and Morelli seems to have a fond liking to chuck it up there, so who knows. Id rather Penn State play in that bowl for the B10 then Purdue.

 

Whats JoPa gonna do now that he cant walk up and down the sidelines making it appear as if he is busy? Dudes 'busy' gig is up. And oh he needs Lasic surgery bad, those are some real coke bottles he is working on. Not as big as Harry's but damn near as thick. Light bends like crazy when you look those things.

 

As long as he can yell at Mike McQueary, he'll be on the sidelines.

[soccer10k]

Paterno's surgery successful, wants to coach Saturday

 

Good for Joe with the surgery. Not surprising that he wants to coach this weekend even if it is just Temple.

[Warpticon]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

 

So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them?

[soccer10k]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

 

So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them?

 

Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida.

[soccer10k]

Oh, I should also add this disclaimer for the situation, if Rutgers goes undefeated, then they should take precedence over any of the one loss teams. An undefeated Rutgers team is the same as an undefeated Louisville team so in my book, for a one loss SEC team to make the title game, both Louisville and Rutgers would have to lose.

[CubinNY]

Oh, I should also add this disclaimer for the situation, if Rutgers goes undefeated, then they should take precedence over any of the one loss teams. An undefeated Rutgers team is the same as an undefeated Louisville team so in my book, for a one loss SEC team to make the title game, both Louisville and Rutgers would have to lose.

 

Rutgers? I don't think they'll beat either Louisville or WVU. Anyway, I guess they've played a marginaly tougher schedule than Louisville.

 

I imagine the winner of the UM/OSU game would only be favored by 30 in the national title game.

 

The Big East is a joke.

[soccer10k]

Oh, I should also add this disclaimer for the situation, if Rutgers goes undefeated, then they should take precedence over any of the one loss teams. An undefeated Rutgers team is the same as an undefeated Louisville team so in my book, for a one loss SEC team to make the title game, both Louisville and Rutgers would have to lose.

 

Rutgers? I don't think they'll beat either Louisville or WVU. Anyway, I guess they've played a marginaly tougher schedule than Louisville.

 

I imagine the winner of the UM/OSU game would only be favored by 30 in the national title game.

 

The Big East is a joke.

 

I don't think Rutgers will beat either Louisville or WVU either but all the talk before the WVU/Louisville game was that the winner would have the inside track to the National Title game. Well, if Rutgers beats both Louisville and WVU, then they should be treated the same and should be in the National Title game. As I said, this point will be moot anyway since I belive they will lose to Louisville on Thursday, but it has to be brought up.

 

The Big East is not a joke. The ACC and the Big 12 are easily worse conferences.

[SouthSideRyan]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

 

So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them?

 

Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida.

 

At the risk of receiving a red-faced rant from somebody, what if ND beats USC by 10+? It seems to come back to the same argument over Florida-Auburn, where ND beats USC and Arkansas loses bad to them.

[AI]

There are four or five teams in the SEC that beat ND by 10. There should be no course of events that puts ND in the championship game.

[Andy]

There are four or five teams in the SEC that beat ND by 10. There should be no course of events that puts ND in the championship game.

That's a big stretch. Florida, probably, Auburn, probably, Arkansas, the way they've played the last month or so, probably, but I can't see LSU or Tennessee really dominating ND. I think either of those would be very good, close matchups.

 

I will say that there's pretty much no way ND deserves to go to the title game.

[SouthSideRyan]

There are four or five teams in the SEC that beat ND by 10. There should be no course of events that puts ND in the championship game.

 

4 weeks ago it was 8.

[Warpticon]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

 

So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them?

 

Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida.

 

Somehow I find it hard to imagine that happening just because of the cushion Auburn has. They have a very good shot at running the table, so it'd be tough for the Hogs to jump them. Jumping WV if they're still at one loss shouldn't be tough, and at least two out of USC/Cal/ND will likely lose again. Texas and Auburn are the teams that are tough to figure out how Arkansas would pass.

[soccer10k]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

 

So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them?

 

Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida.

 

At the risk of receiving a red-faced rant from somebody, what if ND beats USC by 10+? It seems to come back to the same argument over Florida-Auburn, where ND beats USC and Arkansas loses bad to them.

 

Tough one. Both ND and Arkansas would have been blown out at home early in the season. The Notre Dame hater in me wants to say Arkansas should go over ND but that's obviously not a legitamate argument.

 

I'm going to think out loud for a minute here.

 

Using the current AP rankings but assuming both teams win out, Notre Dame beat #19 GT on the road, lost to #2 Michigan at home, beat Penn State at home, and will have defeated #7 USC on the road.

Arkansas has lost to #7 USC at home, beat #5 Auburn on the road, will have defeated #13 Tennessee at home, beat #12 LSU at home, and #6 Florida in the SEC title game if they win out.

 

Obviously the rankings will change over that time but Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn all should win out (aside from the Arkansas games for UT, LSU) so they won't rise/drop much. Florida has FSU left but they should win out and won't drop much either. The thing that could seriously hurt Notre Dame is if USC loses to either or both Oregon and Cal in the next two weeks before the ND game. If USC drops both of those, they will drop significantly in the polls since both games are down in SoCal and all of a sudden a ND victory over USC doesn't look as good.

 

I think I would have to give the edge to Arkansas over USC if both finish the year with one loss based on who Arkansas will have to beat to finish the year with one loss.

[soccer10k]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

 

So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them?

 

Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida.

 

Somehow I find it hard to imagine that happening just because of the cushion Auburn has. They have a very good shot at running the table, so it'd be tough for the Hogs to jump them. Jumping WV if they're still at one loss shouldn't be tough, and at least two out of USC/Cal/ND will likely lose again. Texas and Auburn are the teams that are tough to figure out how Arkansas would pass.

 

With the games Arkansas has remaining (vs LSU, vs Tennessee, and vs Florida if they make the SEC championship game) if they win out I guarantee they will jump ahead of all the other one loss teams because they will have run the table in conference play in the SEC.

 

There is no sportswriter in the country who would vote an 11-1 Auburn team over a 12-1 Arkansas team. If Arkansas runs the table, both teams will have defeated LSU and Florida, Arkansas would have defeated Tennessee and they will have defeated Auburn on the road. If Arkansas runs the table, they'll jump Auburn without a doubt.

 

EDIT: the bolded part.

[SouthSideRyan]

But then the argument comes up, "but Auburn beat Florida, why not them"? Well, Auburn got handled by Arkansas at home and, if Florida runs the table, they will likely have defeated Arkansas in the SEC title game. Either way, a close loss in the road looks much better than getting handled in your own stadium.

 

Yeah. It would be kinda weird for Florida to win the SEC championship title game and Auburn make the NCG because of that. I mean is it a championship game or what? Im sure people from Auburn might argue this but they are just being silly. Arkansas has 2 tough games coming up so Auburn may end up getting the chance to prove it in the title game.

 

If Arkansas stumbles and Auburn makes it to the SEC championship game and wins it, then sub in Auburn for Florida in the scenario I laid out earlier.

 

So what if Arkansas doesn't stumble? If Arkansas takes out Tennessee, LSU, and Florida in the championship game, what happens to them?

 

Under the same scenario (i.e. Louisville losing), Arkansas should go to the National Title game. If Arkansas finishes the year (before a bowl) 12-1 they will have defeated Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and likely Florida.

 

Somehow I find it hard to imagine that happening just because of the cushion Auburn has. They have a very good shot at running the table, so it'd be tough for the Hogs to jump them. Jumping WV if they're still at one loss shouldn't be tough, and at least two out of USC/Cal/ND will likely lose again. Texas and Auburn are the teams that are tough to figure out how Arkansas would pass.

 

With the games Arkansas has remaining (vs LSU, vs Tennessee, and vs Florida if they make the SEC championship game) if they win out I guarantee they will jump ahead of all the other one loss teams because they will have run the table in conference play in the SEC.

 

There is no sportswriter in the country who would vote an 11-1 Auburn team over a 12-1 Arkansas team. If Arkansas runs the table, both teams will have defeated LSU and Florida, Arkansas would have defeated Tennessee and they will have defeated Auburn on the road. If Arkansas runs the table, they'll jump Auburn without a doubt.

 

EDIT: the bolded part.

 

I don't think there's any way a 12-1 Arkansas team jumps an 11-1 USC team. Nor should they.

[soccer10k]

Somehow I find it hard to imagine that happening just because of the cushion Auburn has. They have a very good shot at running the table, so it'd be tough for the Hogs to jump them. Jumping WV if they're still at one loss shouldn't be tough, and at least two out of USC/Cal/ND will likely lose again. Texas and Auburn are the teams that are tough to figure out how Arkansas would pass.

 

With the games Arkansas has remaining (vs LSU, vs Tennessee, and vs Florida if they make the SEC championship game) if they win out I guarantee they will jump ahead of all the other one loss teams because they will have run the table in conference play in the SEC.

 

There is no sportswriter in the country who would vote an 11-1 Auburn team over a 12-1 Arkansas team. If Arkansas runs the table, both teams will have defeated LSU and Florida, Arkansas would have defeated Tennessee and they will have defeated Auburn on the road. If Arkansas runs the table, they'll jump Auburn without a doubt.

 

EDIT: the bolded part.

 

I don't think there's any way a 12-1 Arkansas team jumps an 11-1 USC team. Nor should they.

 

Sorry, I was still thinking along with the scenario of ND beating USC which would give USC 2 losses. If USC and Arkansas both finish with one loss than I agree with you and Arkansas shouldn't jump ahead of them.

 

FWIW I happen to think USC will lose another game this year. I think Cal will beat them but if I had to put money on it, I would bet against USC running the table over Oregon, Cal, ND, and UCLA.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The New York Times has a story about academic support for college athletes, emphasis on tutoring programs: link. They also have a slideshow about a day in the life of UCLA freshman corner Alterraun Verner.