College Football - Week of 11/11

[CuseCubFan69]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

[TruffleShuffle]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

[CuseCubFan69]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

 

How many does the Big 10/11 have? 2? Wow...that's so much more impressive. How many do the 12 teams in the SEC have? The Big 12?

[TruffleShuffle]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

 

How many does the Big 10/11 have? 2? Wow...that's so much more impressive. How many do the 12 teams in the SEC have? The Big 12?

 

who knows, I don't have a research staff

[CubColtPacer]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

 

How many does the Big 10/11 have? 2? Wow...that's so much more impressive. How many do the 12 teams in the SEC have? The Big 12?

 

I did a very quick look through the Big 10, and I counted 3 (I counted Notre Dame, I think that's fair)-they beat Texas, Notre Dame, and Pitt.

 

I didn't look through any of the rest.

[CuseCubFan69]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

 

How many does the Big 10/11 have? 2? Wow...that's so much more impressive. How many do the 12 teams in the SEC have? The Big 12?

 

who knows, I don't have a research staff

 

Tennessee beat Cal. No one from the Big 12 has done it but Lee omitted that. I just don't understand why so many people are threatened by the Big East. It's a very talented balanced conference not the best but not the worst either. I just don't understand why other conferences don't get scrutinized as much, do you know?

[CubinNY]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

 

How many does the Big 10/11 have? 2? Wow...that's so much more impressive. How many do the 12 teams in the SEC have? The Big 12?

 

who knows, I don't have a research staff

 

Tennessee beat Cal. No one from the Big 12 has done it but Lee omitted that. I just don't understand why so many people are threatened by the Big East. It's a very talented balanced conference not the best but not the worst either. I just don't understand why other conferences don't get scrutinized as much, do you know?

 

It's all the I-AA opponents. By and large they play a schedule similar to the C-USA or the MAC and still get consideration for the NC game.

 

I'm not sure how Louisville, WVU, or Rutgers would fare in the Big 10 or SEC. They may be middle of the pack ACC or Big 12 teams.

[CuseCubFan69]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

 

How many does the Big 10/11 have? 2? Wow...that's so much more impressive. How many do the 12 teams in the SEC have? The Big 12?

 

who knows, I don't have a research staff

 

Tennessee beat Cal. No one from the Big 12 has done it but Lee omitted that. I just don't understand why so many people are threatened by the Big East. It's a very talented balanced conference not the best but not the worst either. I just don't understand why other conferences don't get scrutinized as much, do you know?

 

It's all the I-AA opponents. By and large they play a schedule similar to the C-USA or the MAC and still get consideration for the NC game.

 

I'm not sure how Louisville, WVU, or Rutgers would fare in the Big 10 or SEC. They may be middle of the pack ACC or Big 12 teams.

 

What part of Miami and Kansas St do you think is in the the MAC....really? Those are teams Louisville played. Ohio State doesn't even have to play Wisconsin...that's a joke. Syracuse which hasn't won a Big East game in 2 years went to OT with Iowa and beat Illinois. Rutgers beat Illinois 33-0 while THE Ohio State beats them 17-10? Try looking at facts or does that scare you?

[E.J.]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

 

How many does the Big 10/11 have? 2? Wow...that's so much more impressive. How many do the 12 teams in the SEC have? The Big 12?

 

who knows, I don't have a research staff

 

Tennessee beat Cal. No one from the Big 12 has done it but Lee omitted that. I just don't understand why so many people are threatened by the Big East. It's a very talented balanced conference not the best but not the worst either. I just don't understand why other conferences don't get scrutinized as much, do you know?

 

It's all the I-AA opponents. By and large they play a schedule similar to the C-USA or the MAC and still get consideration for the NC game.

 

I'm not sure how Louisville, WVU, or Rutgers would fare in the Big 10 or SEC. They may be middle of the pack ACC or Big 12 teams.

 

What part of Miami and Kansas St do you think is in the the MAC....really? Those are teams Louisville played. Ohio State doesn't even have to play Wisconsin...that's a joke. Syracuse which hasn't won a Big East game in 2 years went to OT with Iowa and beat Illinois. Rutgers beat Illinois 33-0 while THE Ohio State beats them 17-10? Try looking at facts or does that scare you?

 

Wait, do you really think Ohio State wouldn't beat a Rutgers/WVU/Louisville?

 

Just because Ohio State only beat Illinois by 7 doesn't mean that Rutgers is a better team.

Edited November 11, 2006 by E.J.

[SouthSideRyan]

boy, lee corso really hammered the big east on PTI... made some good points too

 

What were the points?

 

I think the best one is that the Big East beat had one OOC win over a team in the top half of its conference - that being Maryland.

 

 

Gosh, now I'm watching Lou Holtz on SportsCenter. I swear, his ability to speak is diminishing every passing day.

 

How many does the Big 10/11 have? 2? Wow...that's so much more impressive. How many do the 12 teams in the SEC have? The Big 12?

 

who knows, I don't have a research staff

 

Tennessee beat Cal. No one from the Big 12 has done it but Lee omitted that. I just don't understand why so many people are threatened by the Big East. It's a very talented balanced conference not the best but not the worst either. I just don't understand why other conferences don't get scrutinized as much, do you know?

 

It's all the I-AA opponents. By and large they play a schedule similar to the C-USA or the MAC and still get consideration for the NC game.

 

I'm not sure how Louisville, WVU, or Rutgers would fare in the Big 10 or SEC. They may be middle of the pack ACC or Big 12 teams.

 

What part of Miami and Kansas St do you think is in the the MAC....really? Those are teams Louisville played. Ohio State doesn't even have to play Wisconsin...that's a joke. Syracuse which hasn't won a Big East game in 2 years went to OT with Iowa and beat Illinois. Rutgers beat Illinois 33-0 while THE Ohio State beats them 17-10? Try looking at facts or does that scare you?

 

I usually fall on the Big East side of these arguments, but Illinois with Tim Brasic is not equal to Illinois with Juice Williams. And Iowa happened to be without their QB when Syracuse took them to OT.

[Andy]

For TT's reference, Alex Knipp's stats for his freshman season so far are:

 

27 tackles, 2 interceptions, 2 pass breakups, and a blocked kick. He ranks 9th on Ball State in tackles. I like the kid. With our all-conference safety Erik Keys graduating I'd expect him to slide more towards that role next season.

[Mark_R]

 

I'm not sure how Louisville, WVU, or Rutgers would fare in the Big 10 or SEC. They may be middle of the pack ACC or Big 12 teams.

 

What part of Miami and Kansas St do you think is in the the MAC....really? Those are teams Louisville played. Ohio State doesn't even have to play Wisconsin...that's a joke. Syracuse which hasn't won a Big East game in 2 years went to OT with Iowa and beat Illinois. Rutgers beat Illinois 33-0 while THE Ohio State beats them 17-10? Try looking at facts or does that scare you?

 

If you really think the Big East has any team better than Ohio State, than its really not worth discussing. Your bias is far too strong for any objectivity here.

 

ETA: getting rid of the ridiculous number of people quoted...

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah all Ohio State had to do was play at the defending national champion, host another team that beat them last year (Penn State), go to Iowa for a night game (when Iowa was ranked around #10) and then next week beat the #2 team in the country.

 

Here's a good way to think of it, one that I heard or read somewhere, I forget which.

 

Ohio State vs West Virginia

Michigan vs Louisville

Wisconsin vs Rutgers

Penn State vs Pitt

Iowa vs South Florida

Purdue vs Cincinnati

Indiana vs Syracuse

Minnesota vs UConn

 

say each teams play five times on a neutral field (to remove the element of a one-game fluke). How many of these does the Big Ten win?

 

Or, to think of it in terms of the SEC:

 

Florida vs West Virginia

Arkansas vs Louisville

Auburn vs Rutgers

LSU vs Pitt

Tennessee vs South Florida

Georgia vs Cincinnati

South Carolina vs Syracuse

Alabama vs UConn

[CuseCubFan69]

 

I'm not sure how Louisville, WVU, or Rutgers would fare in the Big 10 or SEC. They may be middle of the pack ACC or Big 12 teams.

 

What part of Miami and Kansas St do you think is in the the MAC....really? Those are teams Louisville played. Ohio State doesn't even have to play Wisconsin...that's a joke. Syracuse which hasn't won a Big East game in 2 years went to OT with Iowa and beat Illinois. Rutgers beat Illinois 33-0 while THE Ohio State beats them 17-10? Try looking at facts or does that scare you?

 

If you really think the Big East has any team better than Ohio State, than its really not worth discussing. Your bias is far too strong for any objectivity here.

 

ETA: getting rid of the ridiculous number of people quoted...

 

Did I say that? Where? What I responded to was the ridiculus statement that The Big East was the same as the MAC and I showed why it was better. You Big 10 people....are you ok with Wisconsin and Ohio State not playing this year? If this happened in the Big East where Rutgers and Louisville didn't play the pundits would be screaming.

[CuseCubFan69]

I usually fall on the Big East side of these arguments, but Illinois with Tim Brasic is not equal to Illinois with Juice Williams. And Iowa happened to be without their QB when Syracuse took them to OT.

 

Syracuse beat Illinois with Juice Williams and How did Ohio State just score 17 on them? Look, Ohio State is a very good team but the idea that the Big East is a secondary conference is just wrong. Also, Louisville has a Heisman Trophy candidate RB out since the first game if you want to look at what if's when it comes to players not being there.

Edited November 11, 2006 by CuseCubFan69

[CuseCubFan69]

yeah all Ohio State had to do was play at the defending national champion, host another team that beat them last year (Penn State), go to Iowa for a night game (when Iowa was ranked around #10) and then next week beat the #2 team in the country.

 

Here's a good way to think of it, one that I heard or read somewhere, I forget which.

 

Ohio State vs West Virginia

Michigan vs Louisville

Wisconsin vs Rutgers

Penn State vs Pitt

Iowa vs South Florida

Purdue vs Cincinnati

Indiana vs Syracuse

Minnesota vs UConn

 

say each teams play five times on a neutral field (to remove the element of a one-game fluke). How many of these does the Big Ten win?

 

Or, to think of it in terms of the SEC:

 

Florida vs West Virginia

Arkansas vs Louisville

Auburn vs Rutgers

LSU vs Pitt

Tennessee vs South Florida

Georgia vs Cincinnati

South Carolina vs Syracuse

Alabama vs UConn

 

It's funny you wrote that because it includes our worst teams too, unlike the Big 10 or the SEC and I still like our chances to win 4 or more of those games because if you look at what ACTUALLY has happened on the field Syracuse has beaten Illinois and UConn has beaten Indiana. I'd love to have a Big East/Big 10 or SEC thing like that like they did in hoops.

[CubColtPacer]

yeah all Ohio State had to do was play at the defending national champion, host another team that beat them last year (Penn State), go to Iowa for a night game (when Iowa was ranked around #10) and then next week beat the #2 team in the country.

 

Here's a good way to think of it, one that I heard or read somewhere, I forget which.

 

Ohio State vs West Virginia

Michigan vs Louisville

Wisconsin vs Rutgers

Penn State vs Pitt

Iowa vs South Florida

Purdue vs Cincinnati

Indiana vs Syracuse

Minnesota vs UConn

 

say each teams play five times on a neutral field (to remove the element of a one-game fluke). How many of these does the Big Ten win?

 

Or, to think of it in terms of the SEC:

 

Florida vs West Virginia

Arkansas vs Louisville

Auburn vs Rutgers

LSU vs Pitt

Tennessee vs South Florida

Georgia vs Cincinnati

South Carolina vs Syracuse

Alabama vs UConn

 

It's funny you wrote that because it includes our worst teams too, unlike the Big 10 or the SEC and I still like our chances to win 4 or more of those games because if you look at what ACTUALLY has happened on the field Syracuse has beaten Illinois and UConn has beaten Indiana. I'd love to have a Big East/Big 10 or SEC thing like that like they did in hoops.

 

I would have to agree with Cuse that you can't automatically take out the Big 10's worst and the SEC's worst in this argument. If you want to make it fair, you have to take out some of the middle teams.

 

BTW, that UConn victory over IU should be taken with a serious grain of salt. IU has been beating people recently with 3 main people: their QB, freshman Kellen Lewis, their 6-7 unbelievable receiver, James Hardy, and their great coach Terry Hoeppner. Hoeppner and Hardy missed both the SIU and UConn games (Hoeppner had brain surgery during the season, and Hardy was inactive due to personal reasons). Also, Lewis was getting some of his first game action ever.

 

Since the coach and Hardy have come back and the team has allowed to gel, it's been a different Indiana team-and I don't think UConn would beat Indiana with their pieces in place.

 

With that in mind though, I'm not trying to prove this to say that the Big 10 is better than the Big East-my views on that are irrelevant to what I just wrote.

[Andy]

Kellen Lewis is a very good QB. Granted, it was only our defense, but he led IU back from a 23-7 deficit in Muncie in his first ever game as a collegian. Heck, he was down 14-0 before he even entered the game.

[E.J.]

Talk about crazy coincidences:

 

Rivals.com[/url]"]A charter plane carrying the Marshall University football team to a game against East Carolina was evacuated after smoke was reported in an engine, airport officials said.

 

The flight took off after a two-hour delay and no injuries were reported among the 150 people aboard, but the timing was eerie.

 

Almost 36 years ago to the day, on Nov. 14, 1970, a plane carrying the Marshall football team home from a game against East Carolina crashed, killing 75 people, including most of the team. A movie about the rebuilding of Marshall's football program after the crash is scheduled to open nationwide on Dec. 22.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah all Ohio State had to do was play at the defending national champion, host another team that beat them last year (Penn State), go to Iowa for a night game (when Iowa was ranked around #10) and then next week beat the #2 team in the country.

 

Here's a good way to think of it, one that I heard or read somewhere, I forget which.

 

Ohio State vs West Virginia

Michigan vs Louisville

Wisconsin vs Rutgers

Penn State vs Pitt

Iowa vs South Florida

Purdue vs Cincinnati

Indiana vs Syracuse

Minnesota vs UConn

 

say each teams play five times on a neutral field (to remove the element of a one-game fluke). How many of these does the Big Ten win?

 

Or, to think of it in terms of the SEC:

 

Florida vs West Virginia

Arkansas vs Louisville

Auburn vs Rutgers

LSU vs Pitt

Tennessee vs South Florida

Georgia vs Cincinnati

South Carolina vs Syracuse

Alabama vs UConn

 

It's funny you wrote that because it includes our worst teams too, unlike the Big 10 or the SEC and I still like our chances to win 4 or more of those games because if you look at what ACTUALLY has happened on the field Syracuse has beaten Illinois and UConn has beaten Indiana. I'd love to have a Big East/Big 10 or SEC thing like that like they did in hoops.

 

4 or more? Come on. If we did it in hoops, then the Big East would win, as you know, but your bias keeps you from acknowledging what is plainly obvious about football. I mean, in the matchups above you'd have LSU vs Pitt and Tennessee vs South Florida, for God's sakes. These games wouldn't be close.

 

Also, the problem with your logic here is that you're complaining about how it's "ridiculous" that Ohio State doesn't play Wisconsin, but ignoring when good teams miss bad teams. Like Michigan doesn't get to play mediocre Purdue and Illinois this year. Is that ridiculous? LSU has to play road games with Florida, Auburn, Tennessee and Arkansas this season, but the teams they don't play Georgia, South Carolina and Vanderbilt - three of the worst four teams in the SEC East. I don't hear you talking much about how ridiculous it is that LSU can play a loaded schedule like that, playing every hard team in the conference, and missing three of the easier ones.

[rawaction]

Talk about crazy coincidences:

 

Rivals.com[/url]"]A charter plane carrying the Marshall University football team to a game against East Carolina was evacuated after smoke was reported in an engine, airport officials said.

 

The flight took off after a two-hour delay and no injuries were reported among the 150 people aboard, but the timing was eerie.

 

Almost 36 years ago to the day, on Nov. 14, 1970, a plane carrying the Marshall football team home from a game against East Carolina crashed, killing 75 people, including most of the team. A movie about the rebuilding of Marshall's football program after the crash is scheduled to open nationwide on Dec. 22.

 

Holy crap. That's scary.

[CubColtPacer]

Well, I can't say I'm too enthused by the early games today. There are many mediocre teams playing right now. The one I am watching? Georgia-Auburn. Georgia marched right down the field on the first drive, and it's 7-0 Georgia early.

[TruffleShuffle]

jeez wtf auburn

[CubColtPacer]

Georgia is now up 17-0 on Auburn in the 2nd quarter-wow.

[TruffleShuffle]

24-0. So basically Georgia loses to Kentucky on the road, and then goes to Auburn and blows them out? What the hell is that???