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Maybe sitting in a jail cell will be the inspiration he needs to get his act together. It's amazing how drugs can make people do such stupid stuff.
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I know everybody here likes to rag on "intangibles," but this is an extreme case of what should have been avoided from a player procurement standpoint. All the talent in the world w/o character and makeup doesn't get you far.
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I know everybody here likes to rag on "intangibles," but this is an extreme case of what should have been avoided from a player procurement standpoint. All the talent in the world w/o character and makeup doesn't get you far.

 

A druggy ruining his life is quite tangible.

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I know everybody here likes to rag on "intangibles," but this is an extreme case of what should have been avoided from a player procurement standpoint. All the talent in the world w/o character and makeup doesn't get you far.

 

A druggy ruining his life is quite tangible.

 

Only after the damage has been done.

 

So why do the Twins (Braves, etc) value makeup so highly? It seems to work. It's the difference between talent that flames out in AA and talent that plays in the bigs.

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I know everybody here likes to rag on "intangibles," but this is an extreme case of what should have been avoided from a player procurement standpoint. All the talent in the world w/o character and makeup doesn't get you far.

 

A druggy ruining his life is quite tangible.

 

Only after the damage has been done.

 

So why do the Twins (Braves, etc) value makeup so highly? It seems to work. It's the difference between talent that flames out in AA and talent that plays in the bigs.

 

If scouting is necessary to eliminate guys like Allison before they become problems, who did he get drafted in the first place?

 

I'm all for scouts telling the decision makers that a kid is likely to become a druggy. That has nothing to do with teams overpaying for intangibles.

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Arrest warrant issued for former Marlins first-round pick

 

December 28, 2006

 

GREENSBORO, N.C. (AP) -- An arrest warrant was issued Thursday for a former Florida Marlins first-round draft pick who failed to appear at a court hearing.

 

Jeff Allison, a right-handed pitcher from Peabody, Mass., was arrested in October and charged with felony possession of heroin and possession of a stolen vehicle.

 

 

The News & Record of Greensboro said Guilford County Judge Susan Burch issued the warrant and a $2,500 secured bond after Allison missed the preliminary hearing. The judge barred the public from the hearing, and Allison's public defender declined comment.

 

The charges carry up to four years in prison. Lawyers have discussed waiving jail time if Allison completes rehabilitation for drug addiction.

 

The 22-year-old Allison, the 16th player selected in the 2003 draft, has missed two of the past three seasons and has acknowledged drug addiction. He started 18 games in 2005 for the Greensboro Grasshoppers of the Class A South Atlantic

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What a waste of talent.

 

In a long list of "wastes of talent". Brien Taylor, T. Van Poppell, Toe Nash, Josh Hamilton, etc, etc.

 

While Van Poppel may not have lived up to the hype, it's not fair to lump him in with those other three. He pitched in the majors for 11 seasons, and while his career numbers aren't impressive, he did manage a couple of decent seasons with the Cubs. The other three haven't even come close to what he accomplished.

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What a waste of talent.

 

In a long list of "wastes of talent". Brien Taylor, T. Van Poppell, Toe Nash, Josh Hamilton, etc, etc.

 

While Van Poppel may not have lived up to the hype, it's not fair to lump him in with those other three. He pitched in the majors for 11 seasons, and while his career numbers aren't impressive, he did manage a couple of decent seasons with the Cubs. The other three haven't even come close to what he accomplished.

Agreed. I'd group Van Poppel in with someone like Paul Wilson instead. Wilson was once the top prospect in the game, but never lived up to it because of injuries. He did at least turn out to be a serviceable pitcher once he recovered.
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What a waste of talent.

 

In a long list of "wastes of talent". Brien Taylor, T. Van Poppell, Toe Nash, Josh Hamilton, etc, etc.

 

While Van Poppel may not have lived up to the hype, it's not fair to lump him in with those other three. He pitched in the majors for 11 seasons, and while his career numbers aren't impressive, he did manage a couple of decent seasons with the Cubs. The other three haven't even come close to what he accomplished.

 

and van poppel wasn't a crackhead.

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What a waste of talent.

 

In a long list of "wastes of talent". Brien Taylor, T. Van Poppell, Toe Nash, Josh Hamilton, etc, etc.

 

While Van Poppel may not have lived up to the hype, it's not fair to lump him in with those other three. He pitched in the majors for 11 seasons, and while his career numbers aren't impressive, he did manage a couple of decent seasons with the Cubs. The other three haven't even come close to what he accomplished.

Agreed. I'd group Van Poppel in with someone like Paul Wilson instead. Wilson was once the top prospect in the game, but never lived up to it because of injuries. He did at least turn out to be a serviceable punching bag for Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Fixed.

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What a waste of talent.

 

In a long list of "wastes of talent". Brien Taylor, T. Van Poppell, Toe Nash, Josh Hamilton, etc, etc.

 

While Van Poppel may not have lived up to the hype, it's not fair to lump him in with those other three. He pitched in the majors for 11 seasons, and while his career numbers aren't impressive, he did manage a couple of decent seasons with the Cubs. The other three haven't even come close to what he accomplished.

Agreed. I'd group Van Poppel in with someone like Paul Wilson instead. Wilson was once the top prospect in the game, but never lived up to it because of injuries. He did at least turn out to be a serviceable punching bag for Kyle Farnsworth.

 

Fixed.

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While Van Poppel may not have lived up to the hype, it's not fair to lump him in with those other three. He pitched in the majors for 11 seasons, and while his career numbers aren't impressive, he did manage a couple of decent seasons with the Cubs. The other three haven't even come close to what he accomplished.

 

I disagree. I mean just because he pitched in the majors doesn't mean he lived up to his talent. TVP was an incredibly hyped up high school pitcher----a precursor to Kerry Wood, perhaps---and while that wasn't his fault he was hyped up, he never lived up to the talent he had. And pitching in the majors doesn't change the fact he was spectular bust, especially after watching Chipper Jones developed into a potential HOF candidate. Nash/Hamilton/Taylor there talents, like TVP, atleast garner some major league time, but the big difference between TVP and those three guys, is TVP was less stupid. I mean Nash (rape), Hamilton (drugs), and Taylor (a senseless fight) decision were incredibly STUPID and short-sighted. At least TVP sidestepped those decision. In that case, I won't group TVP with those three, but in the case of wasting an incredible gift like throwing a baseball 95 mph like TVP, then yes, TVP was as big and spectular of a bust as Hamilton/Taylor/Nash.

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