cubs to target heilman

[cubweiser03]

If the Wood to the bullpen has legs and they can do it for less than Howry $ i say go for it and trade Howry for Heilman. Shifting Wood for Howry salary and position wise and then basically you are getting Heilman for free. Just to be nice guys i think the Cubs should throw in Novoa. :wink:

[biittner77]

What about Izturis and Eyre for Heilman?

 

If the Cubs do get him, I will nickname him Old Style and will refuse to call him anything else. Unless he's really bad in which case he will be called Special Export.

[baseball7897]

What about Izturis and Eyre for Heilman?

 

If the Cubs do get him, I will nickname him Old Style and will refuse to call him anything else. Unless he's really bad in which case he will be called Special Export.

 

The Cubs have very little insurance at the ss position. I doubt they would trade Cesar; unless he is included in a Tejeda deal.

[Backtobanks]

While I like the idea of Heilman, depending on the cost, it does make me wonder if Hendry has other trade plans brewing. I understand that the Cubs would love to go into the season with 6-7 starters available, but early speculation had such names as Prior, Miller, Guzman, Ryu, Mateo, Marshall, and Marmol all in contention for the 5th position. Hopefully the targeting of Heilman means Hendry has something else brewing with a few of the players I have named.

[mg420]

i would rather see the cubs take a chance on miller as the #5 than trade for heilman. eyre or howry could help net something better than a #5 imo and miller wouldn't cost anything prospect wise. wuretz is going to be a key part of the bullpen in 2007 and beyond imo and it would be a bad move for the cubs to trade him. i also dont see them giving up a hitter like ep for heilman. if eric can find a postion (be it 2b or cf), he will be a valuable major leauge starter imo.

[Backtobanks]

i would rather see the cubs take a chance on miller as the #5 than trade for heilman. eyre or howry could help net something better than a #5 imo and miller wouldn't cost anything prospect wise. wuretz is going to be a key part of the bullpen in 2007 and beyond imo and it would be a bad move for the cubs to trade him. i also dont see them giving up a hitter like ep for heilman. if eric can find a postion (be it 2b or cf), he will be a valuable major leauge starter imo.

 

I agree with what you said about Wuertz, Eyre, and Howry. Heilman has some potential, but right now he is the Glendon Rusch of the Mets (filling in where needed and doing a mediocre job). One of our young pitchers or prospects ought to be enough. Trading them Izturis would be great.

[Southpaw191679666239]

Hendry really, really needs to get over his boner for guys who just had surgery.

 

Fixed.

[JeffH]

In the extremely unlikely event that Jim Hendry could acquire Aaron Heilman using Eric Patterson as the centerpiece, he should do so immediately.

[CoolHandLuke]

i would rather see the cubs take a chance on miller as the #5 than trade for heilman. eyre or howry could help net something better than a #5 imo and miller wouldn't cost anything prospect wise. wuretz is going to be a key part of the bullpen in 2007 and beyond imo and it would be a bad move for the cubs to trade him. i also dont see them giving up a hitter like ep for heilman. if eric can find a postion (be it 2b or cf), he will be a valuable major leauge starter imo.

 

I agree with what you said about Wuertz, Eyre, and Howry. Heilman has some potential, but right now he is the Glendon Rusch of the Mets (filling in where needed and doing a mediocre job). One of our young pitchers or prospects ought to be enough. Trading them Izturis would be great.

 

Have you even looked at his numbers? He is an extremely far cry from Rusch.

 

87 ip/ 73 h/ 5 hr/ 28 bb/ 73 k/ 1.16 whip/ 3.62 era

66 ip/ 86 h/ 21 hr/ 33 bb/ 59 k/ 1.79 whip/ 7.46 era

 

who is who?

[RynoRules]

Don't give up too much, he's not really that talented.

 

Actually he's very talented, he just hasn't picthed well. I think there is a difference.

 

how hasn't he pitched well? two straight 80+ inning seasons with whips of 1.14 and 1.16. bunch of k's too.

 

i don't think he's a bad pitcher, i just don't want to give up a ton for him. i'd be all for getting him if he didn't cost too much. he could serve as a bullpen arm or a much, much better insurance starter than the cubs have had over the past few years.

 

Let me clarify - he hasn't pitched to expectations. Wasn't he their No. 1 pick and a big time star at ND? Anecdotaly, I sat next to a guy on a plane once who told me that he was a college ballplayer who had faced Heilman at ND. He said he was the best pitcher he had ever seen and that he is sure to be a star in the Bigs. Just hasn't happened yet.

 

If we can get him "on the cheap", I think its a no-brainer. This could be a Chris Carpenter type thing.

[TruffleShuffle]

Don't give up too much, he's not really that talented.

 

Actually he's very talented, he just hasn't picthed well. I think there is a difference.

 

how hasn't he pitched well? two straight 80+ inning seasons with whips of 1.14 and 1.16. bunch of k's too.

 

i don't think he's a bad pitcher, i just don't want to give up a ton for him. i'd be all for getting him if he didn't cost too much. he could serve as a bullpen arm or a much, much better insurance starter than the cubs have had over the past few years.

 

Let me clarify - he hasn't pitched to expectations. Wasn't he their No. 1 pick and a big time star at ND? Anecdotaly, I sat next to a guy on a plane once who told me that he was a college ballplayer who had faced Heilman at ND. He said he was the best pitcher he had ever seen and that he is sure to be a star in the Bigs. Just hasn't happened yet.

 

If we can get him "on the cheap", I think its a no-brainer. This could be a Chris Carpenter type thing.

 

no, he's not nearly as talented as Chris Carpenter, and neither is our pitching coach

[TheDude]

no, he's not nearly as talented as Chris Carpenter, and neither is our pitching coach

 

But he is a solid gamble for a team looking for starting pitching depth. Given his usage out of both the bullpen and his desire (and upside) to start, Heilman is a far better swing-man than Rusch, and a better option to start than pulling up random guys from the minors.

 

If it doesn't cost much in talent, then pursue him.

[fromthestretch]

Don't give up too much, he's not really that talented.

 

Actually he's very talented, he just hasn't picthed well. I think there is a difference.

 

how hasn't he pitched well? two straight 80+ inning seasons with whips of 1.14 and 1.16. bunch of k's too.

 

i don't think he's a bad pitcher, i just don't want to give up a ton for him. i'd be all for getting him if he didn't cost too much. he could serve as a bullpen arm or a much, much better insurance starter than the cubs have had over the past few years.

 

Let me clarify - he hasn't pitched to expectations. Wasn't he their No. 1 pick and a big time star at ND? Anecdotaly, I sat next to a guy on a plane once who told me that he was a college ballplayer who had faced Heilman at ND. He said he was the best pitcher he had ever seen and that he is sure to be a star in the Bigs. Just hasn't happened yet.

 

If we can get him "on the cheap", I think its a no-brainer. This could be a Chris Carpenter type thing.

 

I saw him pitch in college, and he had incredible movement on his fastball. IIRC, the Mets tinkered with his delivery, causing him to throw more over the top. In 2005, they scrapped that idea, and he's been much better since. He's also been better out of the bullpen than as a starter.

[TruffleShuffle]

no, he's not nearly as talented as Chris Carpenter, and neither is our pitching coach

 

But he is a solid gamble for a team looking for starting pitching depth. Given his usage out of both the bullpen and his desire (and upside) to start, Heilman is a far better swing-man than Rusch, and a better option to start than pulling up random guys from the minors.

 

If it doesn't cost much in talent, then pursue him.

 

That's fine... I just don't want people to get carried away by thinking that every pitcher coming off surgery will suddenly turn into Chris Carpenter. Heilman isn't Carpenter, Rothschild isn't Duncan, and the Cubs aren't the Cardinals. In fact, it's more likely that Heilman's arm will completely fall off than it is that he'll turn into Carpenter.

[biittner77]

What about Izturis and Eyre for Heilman?

 

If the Cubs do get him, I will nickname him Old Style and will refuse to call him anything else. Unless he's really bad in which case he will be called Special Export.

 

The Cubs have very little insurance at the ss position. I doubt they would trade Cesar; unless he is included in a Tejeda deal.

 

They have Cedeno who is cheaper and probably equally productive. They Have Theriot who can also play SS. There are FA options available and virtually all of them are better than Izturis.

 

In other words, I disagree that they can't trade Izturis in a deal that doesn't net a SS. The need to send back a SS is more of an issue for in season trades then off season. Using your example, if the O's trade Tejada they will probably move Roberts to SS or have some other plan in the works.

[Mark Priors Calves]

To echo some sentiments in this thread. I'd like to acquire Heilman if the price tag isn't too high. He's young, he's talented, he's been pitching out of the bullpen when he was groomed to be a starter. I'd like the move.

[goonys evil twin]

Heilman is talented, but nothing special. I'd be interested in him, but don't see the Mets giving him away. I've always thought they valued him highly, but their usage of him indicates otherwise.

[mg420]

with the lack of starters the mets have there has to be a reason why he was still in the bullpen (especially with traschel in the rotation). as far as i know he only has 2 quality pitches-fb & change and i dont think he they are overpowering enough to allow him to be able to start consistantly with only those 2.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

with the lack of starters the mets have there has to be a reason why he was still in the bullpen (especially with traschel in the rotation). as far as i know he only has 2 quality pitches-fb & change and i dont think he they are overpowering enough to allow him to be able to start consistantly with only those 2.

 

He's got a slider that I like too, but it can be inconsistent.

[Andy]

no, he's not nearly as talented as Chris Carpenter, and neither is our pitching coach

 

But he is a solid gamble for a team looking for starting pitching depth. Given his usage out of both the bullpen and his desire (and upside) to start, Heilman is a far better swing-man than Rusch, and a better option to start than pulling up random guys from the minors.

 

If it doesn't cost much in talent, then pursue him.

 

That's fine... I just don't want people to get carried away by thinking that every pitcher coming off surgery will suddenly turn into Chris Carpenter. Heilman isn't Carpenter, Rothschild isn't Duncan, and the Cubs aren't the Cardinals. In fact, it's more likely that Heilman's arm will completely fall off than it is that he'll turn into Carpenter.

Unless he ends up with the Cardinals. :wink:

[RynoRules]

no, he's not nearly as talented as Chris Carpenter, and neither is our pitching coach

 

But he is a solid gamble for a team looking for starting pitching depth. Given his usage out of both the bullpen and his desire (and upside) to start, Heilman is a far better swing-man than Rusch, and a better option to start than pulling up random guys from the minors.

 

If it doesn't cost much in talent, then pursue him.

 

That's fine... I just don't want people to get carried away by thinking that every pitcher coming off surgery will suddenly turn into Chris Carpenter. Heilman isn't Carpenter, Rothschild isn't Duncan, and the Cubs aren't the Cardinals. In fact, it's more likely that Heilman's arm will completely fall off than it is that he'll turn into Carpenter.

 

Sorry for what was apprently a comparison that offended your intellect. I made a qualified point - that this "could" be a Carpenter type situation, not that it "certainly will be". It has potential to be a low risk-high reward situation.

[LuckyPup]

according to ESPNews Guilermo Mota just got suspended for 50 games for roids- maybe now would be the perfect time to offer 2 lesser commodities for Heilman- maybe Novoa+Ohman? or just offer Dempster straight up-the Mets are going to need bullpen help for sure now-

[goonys evil twin]

according to ESPNews Guilermo Mota just got suspended for 50 games for roids- maybe now would be the perfect time to offer 2 lesser commodities for Heilman- maybe Novoa+Ohman? or just offer Dempster straight up-the Mets are going to need bullpen help for sure now-

 

My guess is this would make them less interested in trading Heilman.

[baseball7897]

according to ESPNews Guilermo Mota just got suspended for 50 games for roids- maybe now would be the perfect time to offer 2 lesser commodities for Heilman- maybe Novoa+Ohman? or just offer Dempster straight up-the Mets are going to need bullpen help for sure now-

 

Maybe that's why Mota regained his velocity.

 

I would like the Cubs to hold on to Ohman. He is a really good at getting out left-handed batters.

[RichHillIsABeast]

according to ESPNews Guilermo Mota just got suspended for 50 games for roids- maybe now would be the perfect time to offer 2 lesser commodities for Heilman- maybe Novoa+Ohman? or just offer Dempster straight up-the Mets are going to need bullpen help for sure now-

 

Maybe that's why Mota regained his velocity.

 

I would like the Cubs to hold on to Ohman. He is a really good at getting out left-handed batters.

 

Yeah, we should hold onto Ohman until Rapada gets to Chicago. Then we'll have a nice trade chip in Ohman.