Fox Sports: Ramirez SIGNS WITH CUBS!

[treebird]

if the cubs lose aramis im going to inject heroin into my forehead on jim hendry's doorstep

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

if the cubs lose aramis im going to inject heroin into my forehead on jim hendry's doorstep

 

pics plz

[Yeti]

if the cubs lose aramis im going to inject heroin into my forehead on jim hendry's doorstep

will it be a fatal dose or you just gonna hang out and get high?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

if the cubs lose aramis im going to inject heroin into my forehead on jim hendry's doorstep

will it be a fatal dose or you just gonna hang out and get high?

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"Wanna get high?"

[LeftCoastCubFan]

I hope this is just Cub fan angst and we aren’t turning into a New York tabloid.

 

Too much is being read into this. Ramirez has the right to determine his value on the open market. Let’s face it, in baseball the player’s union, his agent, and usually the player himself will go to (with rare exception) the highest bidder. But to find the top dollar you have to explore what’s out there. I would expect him and his agent to do their due diligence.

 

Regardless of your opinion on Hendry, it is pretty well documented that he is open, honest, and up front in his negotiations. I’m sure he understands Aramis’ position. The negotiations have only been going on for a week. The market will be determined over the next few weeks. If Ramirez walks for a reasonable offer, I’ll be the first to jump on the lynch the GM bandwagon.

[Shilzzz]

maybe sweet lou can call aramis and yell at him really loud and firely over the phone and that will make aramis sign?

[USSoccer]

"He's had every day since the season ended to resolve this. No progress has been reported."

 

That is you putting the lack of progress of Hendry. That is what I responded to, and it is directly relevant.

 

That's me explaining that giving Hendry an additional 2 weeks before starting to hand-wring. when he's had a month to get something done is silly. Why continue to be patient when the majority of the time has passed?

 

Again, that's because there's no way Ramirez is going to get a good enough deal before he opts out. I don't have a problem with Hendry trying to get a good deal for Ramirez before he opted out. Now that he has, if Hendry doesn't up the ante he'll lose Ramirez and he'll be to blame. But just throwing up the number of days that he hasn't been able to ink Ramirez is pointless without context. And that context is that Ramirez has no reason to negotiate until he has leverage, and he gets that leverage once he opts out.

 

Everyone knew he was opting out. Even just the threat is leverage enough.

[BigbadB]

I hope this is just Cub fan angst and we aren’t turning into a New York tabloid.

 

Too much is being read into this. Ramirez has the right to determine his value on the open market. Let’s face it, in baseball the player’s union, his agent, and usually the player himself will go to (with rare exception) the highest bidder. But to find the top dollar you have to explore what’s out there. I would expect him and his agent to do their due diligence.

 

Regardless of your opinion on Hendry, it is pretty well documented that he is open, honest, and up front in his negotiations. I’m sure he understands Aramis’ position. The negotiations have only been going on for a week. The market will be determined over the next few weeks. If Ramirez walks for a reasonable offer, I’ll be the first to jump on the lynch the GM bandwagon.

 

The fact the contract had an opt out clause is motivation enough to lynch Hendry. How exactly does Hendry plan on improving this team if Aramis is not a part of the team?

 

Seriously, if Aramis walks, what free agent will want to join the ranks of a last place team that just lost their top position player?

 

Where is Aramis' desire to remain on a team that is moving backwards as an organization?

 

Maybe some of us are starting to sound like a tabloid, but what has this organization done lately to make us feel all giddy inside? Does Zambrano have a long term contract?

[USSoccer]

Keep in mind also we've been down the "be patient" road before with Hendry. The 2004 Winter Meetings came and went, and we did nothing. Some people here (correctly) called out Hendry for being overly focused on dumping Sosa and allowing the best players available to come and go. At that time, all those people were told "it's early, you're stupid if you think everything needs to happen at the Winter Meetings, etc".

 

We ended up with Jeromy Burnitz.

 

I have zero faith in Jim Hendry's ability to properly value players, make proper offers to players, and build this roster. It's on him to prove me wrong. He's long past the benefit of any kind of patience or grace.

[CuseCubFan69]

I hope this is just Cub fan angst and we aren’t turning into a New York tabloid.

 

Too much is being read into this. Ramirez has the right to determine his value on the open market. Let’s face it, in baseball the player’s union, his agent, and usually the player himself will go to (with rare exception) the highest bidder. But to find the top dollar you have to explore what’s out there. I would expect him and his agent to do their due diligence.

 

Regardless of your opinion on Hendry, it is pretty well documented that he is open, honest, and up front in his negotiations. I’m sure he understands Aramis’ position. The negotiations have only been going on for a week. The market will be determined over the next few weeks. If Ramirez walks for a reasonable offer, I’ll be the first to jump on the lynch the GM bandwagon.

 

The fact the contract had an opt out clause is motivation enough to lynch Hendry. How exactly does Hendry plan on improving this team if Aramis is not a part of the team?

 

Seriously, if Aramis walks, what free agent will want to join the ranks of a last place team that just lost their top position player?

 

Where is Aramis' desire to remain on a team that is moving backwards as an organization?

 

Maybe some of us are starting to sound like a tabloid, but what has this organization done lately to make us feel all giddy inside? Does Zambrano have a long term contract?

 

You get a couple of gamers and innings eaters, a speed guy and a guy that fits in in the clubhouse. That's the Chicago way.

[A New Era]

maybe sweet lou can call aramis and yell at him really loud and firely over the phone and that will make aramis sign?

 

Post of the day!!

 

FIRE and INTENSITY!!

[Banedon]

if the cubs lose aramis im going to inject heroin into my forehead on jim hendry's doorstep

 

I was gonna sign A-ram, but then I got high...

 

Was gonna sign Jason Schmidt too, but then I got high...

 

We're gonna finish in 6th place, and I know why...

 

Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high...

 

La la la la la la la

[Mizzou]

I hope this is just Cub fan angst and we aren’t turning into a New York tabloid.

 

Too much is being read into this. Ramirez has the right to determine his value on the open market. Let’s face it, in baseball the player’s union, his agent, and usually the player himself will go to (with rare exception) the highest bidder. But to find the top dollar you have to explore what’s out there. I would expect him and his agent to do their due diligence.

 

Regardless of your opinion on Hendry, it is pretty well documented that he is open, honest, and up front in his negotiations. I’m sure he understands Aramis’ position. The negotiations have only been going on for a week. The market will be determined over the next few weeks. If Ramirez walks for a reasonable offer, I’ll be the first to jump on the lynch the GM bandwagon.

 

The fact the contract had an opt out clause is motivation enough to lynch Hendry.

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

[sherwood921]

if the cubs lose aramis im going to inject heroin into my forehead on jim hendry's doorstep

 

I was gonna sign A-ram, but then I got high...

 

Was gonna sign Jason Schmidt too, but then I got high...

 

We're gonna finish in 6th place, and I know why...

 

Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high...

 

La la la la la la la

 

Great, great post, but you missed a couple 'la's

[sherwood921]

 

Understand that there's no point in announcing payroll increases and intentions of contending, and then letting your best offensive player walk over $3m per extra. If it means we have to deal Izturis or have to go with a young player on the bench instead of some washed up regular, so be it.

 

Exactly.

[USSoccer]

I hope this is just Cub fan angst and we aren’t turning into a New York tabloid.

 

Too much is being read into this. Ramirez has the right to determine his value on the open market. Let’s face it, in baseball the player’s union, his agent, and usually the player himself will go to (with rare exception) the highest bidder. But to find the top dollar you have to explore what’s out there. I would expect him and his agent to do their due diligence.

 

Regardless of your opinion on Hendry, it is pretty well documented that he is open, honest, and up front in his negotiations. I’m sure he understands Aramis’ position. The negotiations have only been going on for a week. The market will be determined over the next few weeks. If Ramirez walks for a reasonable offer, I’ll be the first to jump on the lynch the GM bandwagon.

 

The fact the contract had an opt out clause is motivation enough to lynch Hendry.

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

 

But didn't Hendry have the leverage at that point?

[HoopsCubs]

maybe sweet lou can call aramis and yell at him really loud and firely over the phone and that will make aramis sign?

 

Maybe he already did, and that's why Aramis opted out.

[Mizzou]

I hope this is just Cub fan angst and we aren’t turning into a New York tabloid.

 

Too much is being read into this. Ramirez has the right to determine his value on the open market. Let’s face it, in baseball the player’s union, his agent, and usually the player himself will go to (with rare exception) the highest bidder. But to find the top dollar you have to explore what’s out there. I would expect him and his agent to do their due diligence.

 

Regardless of your opinion on Hendry, it is pretty well documented that he is open, honest, and up front in his negotiations. I’m sure he understands Aramis’ position. The negotiations have only been going on for a week. The market will be determined over the next few weeks. If Ramirez walks for a reasonable offer, I’ll be the first to jump on the lynch the GM bandwagon.

 

The fact the contract had an opt out clause is motivation enough to lynch Hendry.

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

 

But didn't Hendry have the leverage at that point?

I'm not sure that I understand where you're going.

 

But if he did have the leverage, and he included an opt out clause over a ridiculous amount of money, he should have. And frankly, I think it's pretty clear that adding the opt out clause was the alternative to Aramis being paid a lot more than he was the past two seasons. What that sum would have been, and if the clause turned out to be a better call, that's up for debate.

[USSoccer]

I hope this is just Cub fan angst and we aren’t turning into a New York tabloid.

 

Too much is being read into this. Ramirez has the right to determine his value on the open market. Let’s face it, in baseball the player’s union, his agent, and usually the player himself will go to (with rare exception) the highest bidder. But to find the top dollar you have to explore what’s out there. I would expect him and his agent to do their due diligence.

 

Regardless of your opinion on Hendry, it is pretty well documented that he is open, honest, and up front in his negotiations. I’m sure he understands Aramis’ position. The negotiations have only been going on for a week. The market will be determined over the next few weeks. If Ramirez walks for a reasonable offer, I’ll be the first to jump on the lynch the GM bandwagon.

 

The fact the contract had an opt out clause is motivation enough to lynch Hendry.

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

 

But didn't Hendry have the leverage at that point?

I'm not sure that I understand where you're going.

 

But if he did have the leverage, and he included an opt out clause over a ridiculous amount of money, he should have. And frankly, I think it's pretty clear that adding the opt out clause was the alternative to Aramis being paid a lot more than he was the past two seasons. What that sum would have been, and if the clause turned out to be a better call, that's up for debate.

 

I'm pointing out the absurdity of leverage in this conversation. Now, supposedly, Ramirez has the leverage, so Hendry can't be blamed for not having him signed. However, Hendry also can't be blamed for giving him the opt out clause, despite the fact that Hendry had more leverage in April of 2005. It can't be both ways.

 

And let me go on record that I think whatever Aramis' financial demands were in 2005, they'd not only have been better than the opt out clause, but likely cheaper than he's going to cost us now after 2 more really good seasons.

[cubweiser03]

And let me go on record that I think whatever Aramis' financial demands were in 2005, they'd not only have been better than the opt out clause, but likely cheaper than he's going to cost us now after 2 more really good seasons.

 

This isnt meant to defend what the Cubs did 2 years ago, but there was risk in signing Aramis to say a five year $65M contract then. It may end up costing them more per year this time around but there is more assurance that he will live up the contract this time around than say a cheaper one per year signed 2 years ago.

[soccer10k]

Hendry must resign ARam. Just do it Jim.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hendry must resign ARam. Just do it Jim.

 

QFT

[Yeti]

I hope this is just Cub fan angst and we aren’t turning into a New York tabloid.

 

Too much is being read into this. Ramirez has the right to determine his value on the open market. Let’s face it, in baseball the player’s union, his agent, and usually the player himself will go to (with rare exception) the highest bidder. But to find the top dollar you have to explore what’s out there. I would expect him and his agent to do their due diligence.

 

Regardless of your opinion on Hendry, it is pretty well documented that he is open, honest, and up front in his negotiations. I’m sure he understands Aramis’ position. The negotiations have only been going on for a week. The market will be determined over the next few weeks. If Ramirez walks for a reasonable offer, I’ll be the first to jump on the lynch the GM bandwagon.

 

The fact the contract had an opt out clause is motivation enough to lynch Hendry.

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

IIRC, MacPhail was significantly involved in ARam's contract negotiations last time around, its entirely possible Hendry really had no say when it came to the opt out clause

[Balsa]

I'm not worried.

 

 

 

 

Yet.

[Sammy Sofa]

Does this really surprise anyone? Who honestly expected him not to exercise the opt out clause to try and get as big a pay day as possible? Aramis isn't stupid...he knows he's an in-demand player that can command top dollar, and opting out will ensure he gets it, either from the Cubs or some other team. He's just playing the cards he has. If the Cubs want to keep him, they pay up...it's that simple. Yes, the opt out option wasn't the greatest idea, but hey, that was then, this is now. Aramis opting out isn't a surprise at all. I would have been stunned if the Cubs locked him up without him opting out.