College Football - Week of 11/4

[goonys evil twin]

How i see the BCS bowls shaping out according to the selection rules:

 

Rose Bowl= UM/OSU Vs Cal/USC

Since USC will not be in the title game the Pac 10 champ between Cal and USC are automatic here. Unless UM/OSU lose before they meet the Big Ten will have #1 team in the nation. The Rose Bowl will then have 1st selection of a replacement team before the other bowls select. Im 100% certain they will take OSU/UM to have the ol Big Ten/Pac Ten Rose Bowl. Big Ten/Pac Ten fans rejoice. We got the Rose Bowl back this year.

 

Sugar Bowl=Florida/WVU or ND.

Im assuming Louisville goes to the NCG. If Notre Dame loses to SC they will get passed over by WVU. WVU had a great game in the Sugar last year. If Florida goes to NCG its Louisville vs SEC (Auburn or Tenn).

 

Orange Bowl=ACC Champ(pick one)/Auburn or Tenn.

Even if Arkansas loses in the title game they will get passed over by these two programs. The ACC champ is not going to be a big draw so the Orange Bowl needs a big time program like UT or Auburn. Sorry Arkansas.

 

Fiesta Bowl-B12 Champ Texas V Boise State

Wow i cant wait.

 

Wow, talk about 4 games that I could give a crap about

 

The Rose Bowl will be great.

[CubinNY]

That Louisville WVU score tells me that neither team can handle the big boys. No defense.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Everyone knew going in that it was going to be a shootout. They are two of, if not THE two highest powered offenses in the country. (ranked 2nd and 5th in points per game, and 2nd and 4th in yards per game) They may not be able to stop you, but on any given day they can definitely outscore you. I'd actually consider those two teams part of this group of "big boys". Louisville has been good the past few years simply because they can win a shootout. They'll may give up 30 to 40 points, but they'll score 45 to 50.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I leave at 3 am for the Mizzou-Nebraska game. I'm pretty pumped. I'm nervous, but I think Mizzou is gonna come out pumped up and pissed off. Win this, and the North is ours. Tigers by two scores.

 

Go Tigers!

[soccer10k]

Let me ask you this. What happens if Rutgers beats Louisville, WV beats Rutgers. What makes Florida or the winner of the SEC, winner of the Big 12, or the winner of the Pac 10, or Notre Dame if they run the table automatically better than a 1 loss BE team? The Big East team HAS to go undefeated to go while other conferences can have a loss.

 

Because of the preconceived notion that the Big East is weak and the SEC is strong, no matter what the teams in the Big East are proving otherwise.

 

It's like the stupid preseason polls during the season. I'm not saying the Big East is the best but it's just as good as any major conference. I was listening to Mike and Mike and they were saying since Miami and the others left everyone assumes the conference is weak and they just brush it off. It's like we have to wait for 4 to 5 years for them to prove they belong while IMO they already have. This conference has 2 losing teams out of 8 or 75% of the teams in it. No other conference can say that.

 

I think almost everyone else on this board would disagree with this.

 

The Big East is the most underrated of the six major conferences. They're definitely better than the ACC and they're likely better than the Big 12. That puts them 4th out of 6 at the worst.

[Andy]

If Cincy played bad teams instead of Ohio State and VTech they'd be 7-2. and if Syracuse played bad teams instead of Iowa and Wake Forrest they'd be 5-4. There are no gimme's like Mississippi St or Mississippi are this year. The SEC is good no doubt but it isn't the God people make it out to be.

 

Record of Cincy's wins: 15-27

 

Their only win over a team that isn't at least 2 games under .500 is conference opponent South Florida(who has yet to beat anybody above .500, 4-4 McNeese St. being the closest), who lost to one of the worst teams in the Big 12, Kansas.

 

But they beat S Florida easily so what's your point?

 

That neither are any good. The same way you can say "If Cincy had played bad teams they'd be 7-2", you can probably more easily say "Cincy can't beat anybody that's any good". That statement extends to USF, whose wins have a combined record of 10-30, with only Southland Conference power McNeese State being at .500 among those teams. And it's not like their losses are fantastic, losing to Cincy and to Big 12 bottom dweller(no offense Snood) Kansas.

Kansas lost to Toledo this year, and Toledo is 1-4 in the MAC.

 

1-4 IN THE MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE.

 

I don't think Snood would be able to take offense even if he wanted to.

[soccer10k]

If people are so sure that if Louisville goes undefeated they should be in the BCS game and im not going to argue that, why is that if Rutgers goes undefeated its not so automatic? Whattsup with that? Is it because they are Rutgers and a perenial sucky program? Thats so silly. The only difference in Louisville's schedule and Rutgers is UL beat Miami. So now beating Miami is the be all end all of determining the birth to the title game for a Big East undefeated champion.

 

I agree completely. If Rutgers runs the table they should absolutely be in the National Title game for the exact reason you stated.

[soccer10k]

That Louisville WVU score tells me that neither team can handle the big boys. No defense.

 

Texas 41, USC 38.

 

Does that score mean those two teams couldn't handle the "big boys"? Absolutely not because everybody said they both had great offenses. I realize it's a little different and I'm not saying the WVU and UL offenses are as good as 2005 USC and 2005 Texas but they both are good. WVU's is more of a gimmick offense but Louisville's offense is the real deal IMO.

[TruffleShuffle]

Let me ask you this. What happens if Rutgers beats Louisville, WV beats Rutgers. What makes Florida or the winner of the SEC, winner of the Big 12, or the winner of the Pac 10, or Notre Dame if they run the table automatically better than a 1 loss BE team? The Big East team HAS to go undefeated to go while other conferences can have a loss.

 

Because of the preconceived notion that the Big East is weak and the SEC is strong, no matter what the teams in the Big East are proving otherwise.

 

It's like the stupid preseason polls during the season. I'm not saying the Big East is the best but it's just as good as any major conference. I was listening to Mike and Mike and they were saying since Miami and the others left everyone assumes the conference is weak and they just brush it off. It's like we have to wait for 4 to 5 years for them to prove they belong while IMO they already have. This conference has 2 losing teams out of 8 or 75% of the teams in it. No other conference can say that.

 

I think almost everyone else on this board would disagree with this.

 

The Big East is the most underrated of the six major conferences. They're definitely better than the ACC and they're likely better than the Big 12. That puts them 4th out of 6 at the worst.

 

Saying the Big East is 4th out of 6 at worst is very different than saying that the Big East is just as good as any of the other major conferences.

Edited November 3, 2006 by TruffleShuffle

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That neither are any good. The same way you can say "If Cincy had played bad teams they'd be 7-2", you can probably more easily say "Cincy can't beat anybody that's any good". That statement extends to USF, whose wins have a combined record of 10-30, with only Southland Conference power McNeese State being at .500 among those teams. And it's not like their losses are fantastic, losing to Cincy and to Big 12 bottom dweller(no offense Snood) Kansas.

Kansas lost to Toledo this year, and Toledo is 1-4 in the MAC.

 

1-4 IN THE MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE.

 

I don't think Snood would be able to take offense even if he wanted to.

 

As rivals, I can't afford to give Snood ammunition for if they come into Columbia and win.

[soccer10k]

How i see the BCS bowls shaping out according to the selection rules:

 

Rose Bowl= UM/OSU Vs Cal/USC

Since USC will not be in the title game the Pac 10 champ between Cal and USC are automatic here. Unless UM/OSU lose before they meet the Big Ten will have #1 team in the nation. The Rose Bowl will then have 1st selection of a replacement team before the other bowls select. Im 100% certain they will take OSU/UM to have the ol Big Ten/Pac Ten Rose Bowl. Big Ten/Pac Ten fans rejoice. We got the Rose Bowl back this year.

 

Sugar Bowl=Florida/WVU or ND.

Im assuming Louisville goes to the NCG. If Notre Dame loses to SC they will get passed over by WVU. WVU had a great game in the Sugar last year. If Florida goes to NCG its Louisville vs SEC (Auburn or Tenn).

 

Orange Bowl=ACC Champ(pick one)/Auburn or Tenn.

Even if Arkansas loses in the title game they will get passed over by these two programs. The ACC champ is not going to be a big draw so the Orange Bowl needs a big time program like UT or Auburn. Sorry Arkansas.

 

Fiesta Bowl-B12 Champ Texas V Boise State

Wow i cant wait.

 

Wow, talk about 4 games that I could give a crap about

 

The Rose Bowl will be good either way. I would love to see either Florida or WVU against ND because they both have good offenses which is ND's weakness. The Orange Bowl would be so/so and that Fiesta Bowl matchup would be bad. The National Title game, which under your situation would be OSU/UM - UL would be entertaining as well.

[CubColtPacer]

That Louisville WVU score tells me that neither team can handle the big boys. No defense.

 

Texas 41, USC 38.

 

Does that score mean those two teams couldn't handle the "big boys"? Absolutely not because everybody said they both had great offenses. I realize it's a little different and I'm not saying the WVU and UL offenses are as good as 2005 USC and 2005 Texas but they both are good. WVU's is more of a gimmick offense but Louisville's offense is the real deal IMO.

 

I was going to make the same point earlier, but was worried I was going to get ignored because of the differences. I do agree with you that WVU and UL scoring that much is no more indicative of how bad they are than Auburn and LSU playing a 7-3 game earlier this year is indicative about how bad they are. Instead, it's just two teams coming together who have similar strengths, and that leads to an extreme game weighted towards one side of the ball.

[soccer10k]

Let me ask you this. What happens if Rutgers beats Louisville, WV beats Rutgers. What makes Florida or the winner of the SEC, winner of the Big 12, or the winner of the Pac 10, or Notre Dame if they run the table automatically better than a 1 loss BE team? The Big East team HAS to go undefeated to go while other conferences can have a loss.

 

Because of the preconceived notion that the Big East is weak and the SEC is strong, no matter what the teams in the Big East are proving otherwise.

 

It's like the stupid preseason polls during the season. I'm not saying the Big East is the best but it's just as good as any major conference. I was listening to Mike and Mike and they were saying since Miami and the others left everyone assumes the conference is weak and they just brush it off. It's like we have to wait for 4 to 5 years for them to prove they belong while IMO they already have. This conference has 2 losing teams out of 8 or 75% of the teams in it. No other conference can say that.

 

I think almost everyone else on this board would disagree with this.

 

The Big East is the most underrated of the six major conferences. They're definitely better than the ACC and they're likely better than the Big 12. That puts them 4th out of 6 at the worst.

 

Saying the Big East is 4th out of 6 at worst is very different than saying that the Big East is just as good as any[/b] of the other major conferences.

 

I didn't say they were actually the 4th best out of 6. I meant that after thinking about this for 2 seconds that I can come to the conclusion that they are in the top 4. Where in the top 4, well, I would have to think about that for a little while.

[CubColtPacer]

How i see the BCS bowls shaping out according to the selection rules:

 

Rose Bowl= UM/OSU Vs Cal/USC

Since USC will not be in the title game the Pac 10 champ between Cal and USC are automatic here. Unless UM/OSU lose before they meet the Big Ten will have #1 team in the nation. The Rose Bowl will then have 1st selection of a replacement team before the other bowls select. Im 100% certain they will take OSU/UM to have the ol Big Ten/Pac Ten Rose Bowl. Big Ten/Pac Ten fans rejoice. We got the Rose Bowl back this year.

 

Sugar Bowl=Florida/WVU or ND.

Im assuming Louisville goes to the NCG. If Notre Dame loses to SC they will get passed over by WVU. WVU had a great game in the Sugar last year. If Florida goes to NCG its Louisville vs SEC (Auburn or Tenn).

 

Orange Bowl=ACC Champ(pick one)/Auburn or Tenn.

Even if Arkansas loses in the title game they will get passed over by these two programs. The ACC champ is not going to be a big draw so the Orange Bowl needs a big time program like UT or Auburn. Sorry Arkansas.

 

Fiesta Bowl-B12 Champ Texas V Boise State

Wow i cant wait.

 

Wow, talk about 4 games that I could give a crap about

 

The Rose Bowl will be good either way. I would love to see either Florida or WVU against ND because they both have good offenses which is ND's weakness. The Orange Bowl would be so/so and that Fiesta Bowl matchup would be bad. The National Title game, which under your situation would be OSU/UM - UL would be entertaining as well.

 

I disagree that ND's weakness is a good offense-I think it is just the opposite. The scary teams to me are the ones with a good defense, because anybody can score a bunch of points on ND. The question is-can the other team slow down ND's offense? The ones that have-GT, Michigan, Michigan State (for 2 1/2 quarters), and UCLA have given ND trouble. With that said, Florida would definitely be a harder game for ND. WVU-ND would be very entertaining, and would probably be much like the game last night (maybe without all the WVU fumbles).

[TruffleShuffle]

How i see the BCS bowls shaping out according to the selection rules:

 

Rose Bowl= UM/OSU Vs Cal/USC

Since USC will not be in the title game the Pac 10 champ between Cal and USC are automatic here. Unless UM/OSU lose before they meet the Big Ten will have #1 team in the nation. The Rose Bowl will then have 1st selection of a replacement team before the other bowls select. Im 100% certain they will take OSU/UM to have the ol Big Ten/Pac Ten Rose Bowl. Big Ten/Pac Ten fans rejoice. We got the Rose Bowl back this year.

 

Sugar Bowl=Florida/WVU or ND.

Im assuming Louisville goes to the NCG. If Notre Dame loses to SC they will get passed over by WVU. WVU had a great game in the Sugar last year. If Florida goes to NCG its Louisville vs SEC (Auburn or Tenn).

 

Orange Bowl=ACC Champ(pick one)/Auburn or Tenn.

Even if Arkansas loses in the title game they will get passed over by these two programs. The ACC champ is not going to be a big draw so the Orange Bowl needs a big time program like UT or Auburn. Sorry Arkansas.

 

Fiesta Bowl-B12 Champ Texas V Boise State

Wow i cant wait.

 

Wow, talk about 4 games that I could give a crap about

 

The Rose Bowl will be good either way. I would love to see either Florida or WVU against ND because they both have good offenses which is ND's weakness. The Orange Bowl would be so/so and that Fiesta Bowl matchup would be bad. The National Title game, which under your situation would be OSU/UM - UL would be entertaining as well.

 

I disagree that ND's weakness is a good offense-I think it is just the opposite. The scary teams to me are the ones with a good defense, because anybody can score a bunch of points on ND. The question is-can the other team slow down ND's offense? The ones that have-GT, Michigan, Michigan State (for 2 1/2 quarters), and UCLA have given ND trouble. With that said, Florida would definitely be a harder game for ND. WVU-ND would be very entertaining, and would probably be much like the game last night (maybe without all the WVU fumbles).

 

MSU most definitely does not have a good defense. They've given up like 80 points to Northwestern and Indiana the past two weeks.

[CubColtPacer]

How i see the BCS bowls shaping out according to the selection rules:

 

Rose Bowl= UM/OSU Vs Cal/USC

Since USC will not be in the title game the Pac 10 champ between Cal and USC are automatic here. Unless UM/OSU lose before they meet the Big Ten will have #1 team in the nation. The Rose Bowl will then have 1st selection of a replacement team before the other bowls select. Im 100% certain they will take OSU/UM to have the ol Big Ten/Pac Ten Rose Bowl. Big Ten/Pac Ten fans rejoice. We got the Rose Bowl back this year.

 

Sugar Bowl=Florida/WVU or ND.

Im assuming Louisville goes to the NCG. If Notre Dame loses to SC they will get passed over by WVU. WVU had a great game in the Sugar last year. If Florida goes to NCG its Louisville vs SEC (Auburn or Tenn).

 

Orange Bowl=ACC Champ(pick one)/Auburn or Tenn.

Even if Arkansas loses in the title game they will get passed over by these two programs. The ACC champ is not going to be a big draw so the Orange Bowl needs a big time program like UT or Auburn. Sorry Arkansas.

 

Fiesta Bowl-B12 Champ Texas V Boise State

Wow i cant wait.

 

Wow, talk about 4 games that I could give a crap about

 

The Rose Bowl will be good either way. I would love to see either Florida or WVU against ND because they both have good offenses which is ND's weakness. The Orange Bowl would be so/so and that Fiesta Bowl matchup would be bad. The National Title game, which under your situation would be OSU/UM - UL would be entertaining as well.

 

I disagree that ND's weakness is a good offense-I think it is just the opposite. The scary teams to me are the ones with a good defense, because anybody can score a bunch of points on ND. The question is-can the other team slow down ND's offense? The ones that have-GT, Michigan, Michigan State (for 2 1/2 quarters), and UCLA have given ND trouble. With that said, Florida would definitely be a harder game for ND. WVU-ND would be very entertaining, and would probably be much like the game last night (maybe without all the WVU fumbles).

 

MSU most definitely does not have a good defense. They've given up like 80 points to Northwestern and Indiana the past two weeks.

 

True, they don't, but they were slowing down the ND offense, which caused the deficit. The ND defense has only slowed down 1 or 2 teams all year, and Michigan State with their inconsistent offense was not one of them.

[soccer10k]

How i see the BCS bowls shaping out according to the selection rules:

 

Rose Bowl= UM/OSU Vs Cal/USC

Since USC will not be in the title game the Pac 10 champ between Cal and USC are automatic here. Unless UM/OSU lose before they meet the Big Ten will have #1 team in the nation. The Rose Bowl will then have 1st selection of a replacement team before the other bowls select. Im 100% certain they will take OSU/UM to have the ol Big Ten/Pac Ten Rose Bowl. Big Ten/Pac Ten fans rejoice. We got the Rose Bowl back this year.

 

Sugar Bowl=Florida/WVU or ND.

Im assuming Louisville goes to the NCG. If Notre Dame loses to SC they will get passed over by WVU. WVU had a great game in the Sugar last year. If Florida goes to NCG its Louisville vs SEC (Auburn or Tenn).

 

Orange Bowl=ACC Champ(pick one)/Auburn or Tenn.

Even if Arkansas loses in the title game they will get passed over by these two programs. The ACC champ is not going to be a big draw so the Orange Bowl needs a big time program like UT or Auburn. Sorry Arkansas.

 

Fiesta Bowl-B12 Champ Texas V Boise State

Wow i cant wait.

 

Wow, talk about 4 games that I could give a crap about

 

The Rose Bowl will be good either way. I would love to see either Florida or WVU against ND because they both have good offenses which is ND's weakness. The Orange Bowl would be so/so and that Fiesta Bowl matchup would be bad. The National Title game, which under your situation would be OSU/UM - UL would be entertaining as well.

 

I disagree that ND's weakness is a good offense-I think it is just the opposite. The scary teams to me are the ones with a good defense, because anybody can score a bunch of points on ND. The question is-can the other team slow down ND's offense? The ones that have-GT, Michigan, Michigan State (for 2 1/2 quarters), and UCLA have given ND trouble. With that said, Florida would definitely be a harder game for ND. WVU-ND would be very entertaining, and would probably be much like the game last night (maybe without all the WVU fumbles).

 

MSU most definitely does not have a good defense. They've given up like 80 points to Northwestern and Indiana the past two weeks.

 

"Get Chris Smeland out of town. He is the single worst defensive coordinator ever born into this world."

 

Had to steal that one from Mike Valenti and his MSU rant.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Orange Bowl=ACC Champ(pick one)/Auburn or Tenn.

Even if Arkansas loses in the title game they will get passed over by these two programs. The ACC champ is not going to be a big draw so the Orange Bowl needs a big time program like UT or Auburn. Sorry Arkansas.

 

 

I agree with you that the Orange Bowl will go after a big time program from the SEC. I disagree that the ACC Champ will not be a big draw, unless it is BC. If it is Clemson, they travel as well as any school in America. If it is Georgia Tech, they will sell a ton of tickets. Tech had 35,000 people at that game. The fan base has grown significantly since then.

[cubweiser03]

Orange Bowl=ACC Champ(pick one)/Auburn or Tenn.

Even if Arkansas loses in the title game they will get passed over by these two programs. The ACC champ is not going to be a big draw so the Orange Bowl needs a big time program like UT or Auburn. Sorry Arkansas.

 

 

I agree with you that the Orange Bowl will go after a big time program from the SEC. I disagree that the ACC Champ will not be a big draw, unless it is BC. If it is Clemson, they travel as well as any school in America. If it is Georgia Tech, they will sell a ton of tickets. Tech had 35,000 people at that game. The fan base has grown significantly since then.

 

Not disagreeing with what your are saying here, any ACC Champ will fill the seats, i dont question that. The Orange Bowl needs a big time program to watch the game on TV so they better get a good program from the SEC to get people tuned in to the tube. I personally dont follow the ACC but Auburn and Tennessee has the marketablitiy that the ACC Champ doesnt have. At least around here in the Midwest, we dont watch as much SEC football as the B10 but it is on our radar more than the ACC is. The Midwest and the South drive ratings.

[Andy]

For some unknown reason, Ball State decided to give Brady Hoke (13-30 career record as coach) a three-year extension through 2010.

[Derwood]

4 1/2 hours to kickoff

[CP_414]

Big day for the Hoosiers. IU could become bowl eligible for the first time since the early 90's. IU is at Minnesota at 11am.

 

GO HOOSIERS!

[E.J.]

I live in Ann Arbor and I can't watch the Michigan game today because it's not on any local stations. It's only on ESPNU. How does that make sense?

[rawaction]

Big day for the Hoosiers. IU could become bowl eligible for the first time since the early 90's. IU is at Minnesota at 11am.

 

GO HOOSIERS!

 

Tough to win in the dome, but they can do it. Gophers favored by 6. But Minnesota is 0-5 in conference and haven't done much offensively most of the year and got beat by North Dakota St. at home.

 

If IU can beat Minnesota and Purdue on the road, they have a good shot to tie Penn St. at 4th in the Big Ten, which would put them in the running for the Alamo Bowl, which would be a great accomplishment.

[CubColtPacer]

Big day for the Hoosiers. IU could become bowl eligible for the first time since the early 90's. IU is at Minnesota at 11am.

 

GO HOOSIERS!

 

Tough to win in the dome, but they can do it. Gophers favored by 6. But Minnesota is 0-5 in conference and haven't done much offensively most of the year and got beat by North Dakota St. at home.

 

If IU can beat Minnesota and Purdue on the road, they have a good shot to tie Penn St. at 4th in the Big Ten, which would put them in the running for the Alamo Bowl, which would be a great accomplishment.

 

Actually, it can be better than that. I heard that since it is likely that the Big 10 will send 2 teams to BCS Bowls, then that leaves Wisconsin for the Capital One Bowl, and if IU can win 2 games, they could be fighting with Penn State for the Outback Bowl. Wow. It probably will be more likely that they go to one of the next 3 bowls though (the Alamo, Champs Sports, Insight).