New labor deal complete

[CubinNY]

The NFL has a rookie cap that is allotted to all teams based on their draft slot and their respective total number of picks. I'm unsure if they're going to do the same thing as the NFL, but it'd probably be a good start.

 

I don't understand how that can pass any kind of legal test. It is colusion.

 

But we all know that money determines law.

 

It is terribly wrong though.

[Mephistopheles]

Baseball is exempt.

[CubinNY]

Baseball is exempt.

 

I know.

 

It's just a pro-labor rant. There are so few of us left.

[Mephistopheles]

Let's just be happy 1994 isn't happening again and move on. Sure a slotting bonus system would hurt the Cubs, but the compensation has hurted them recently as well.

[LeftCoastCubFan]

Baseball is exempt.

 

I know.

 

It's just a pro-labor rant. There are so few of us left.

I have to point out that it is labor that wanted a rookie cap. After agreeing to a cap in the NBA and NFL, the current union members wanted most of the pie. What union pays it new members as high as established members regardless of performance? It's about player greed, not management (not that they mind) or anti-trust (pay levels agreed to by both partes are part of any collective bargaining).

[CubinNY]

Baseball is exempt.

 

I know.

 

It's just a pro-labor rant. There are so few of us left.

I have to point out that it is labor that wanted a rookie cap. After agreeing to a cap in the NBA and NFL, the current union members wanted most of the pie. What union pays it new members as high as established members regardless of performance? It's about player greed, not management (not that they mind) or anti-trust (pay levels agreed to by both partes are part of any collective bargaining).

 

I doubt any of what you write is true. Just because they agreed to the terms doesn't mean it is what they wanted (on both sides of the table). High contracts favor established players just as much as new players. The higher the starting bar is set the better it is for everyone.

 

Any type of cap is bad for the union and good for management. It gives them cost certianty and places an artificial limit on slary.

 

Regardless, I'm not talking about unions.

[Outshined_One]

I doubt any of what you write is true. Just because they agreed to the terms doesn't mean it is what they wanted (on both sides of the table). High contracts favor established players just as much as new players. The higher the starting bar is set the better it is for everyone.

 

Any type of cap is bad for the union and good for management. It gives them cost certianty and places an artificial limit on slary.

 

Regardless, I'm not talking about unions.

 

Problem is, minor league players don't get to join the MLBPA until they come up to the majors. The MLBPA was probably fine with it because it'd mean teams would allocate more resources to signing free agents.

[CubinNY]

I doubt any of what you write is true. Just because they agreed to the terms doesn't mean it is what they wanted (on both sides of the table). High contracts favor established players just as much as new players. The higher the starting bar is set the better it is for everyone.

 

Any type of cap is bad for the union and good for management. It gives them cost certianty and places an artificial limit on slary.

 

Regardless, I'm not talking about unions.

 

Problem is, minor league players don't get to join the MLBPA until they come up to the majors. The MLBPA was probably fine with it because it'd mean teams would allocate more resources to signing free agents.

 

That is a good point. However, at the same time I don't know how the agreement could pass any sort of legal challenge since (if what you say is accurate) the said players have no representation.

 

But let's just drop this. I just made a comment about the state of labor in this country. I don't want to take this thread any further down the wrong direction.

 

My lamenting has nothing to with the new contract.

[Banedon]

Bud Selig made baseball a business, and as he watches a series that assures a seventh champion in seven years -- something the NFL, NBA and NHL have never done -- he can rest assured that the business he will eventually turn over to Andy MacPhail will be judged by its financial record, not steroids tests.

 

Peter must be pretty sure to just mention this so non-chalantly.

[erik316wttn]

I wonder if MLB will allow teams to trade draft picks in the near future?

 

This seems to be a step in that direction.

 

You can do that in the NFL and NBA (not sure about NHL). I think it would help some of the smaller market teams when they have to trade away their big star in a contract year.

[Andy]

Bud Selig made baseball a business, and as he watches a series that assures a seventh champion in seven years -- something the NFL, NBA and NHL have never done -- he can rest assured that the business he will eventually turn over to Andy MacPhail will be judged by its financial record, not steroids tests.

 

Peter must be pretty sure to just mention this so non-chalantly.

Baseball will be gone in 10 years if this happens

[SouthSideRyan]

Bud Selig made baseball a business, and as he watches a series that assures a seventh champion in seven years -- something the NFL, NBA and NHL have never done -- he can rest assured that the business he will eventually turn over to Andy MacPhail will be judged by its financial record, not steroids tests.

 

Peter must be pretty sure to just mention this so non-chalantly.

Baseball will be gone in 10 years if this happens

 

Yeah, well that's just absurd.

[WrigleyField 22]

Bud Selig made baseball a business, and as he watches a series that assures a seventh champion in seven years -- something the NFL, NBA and NHL have never done -- he can rest assured that the business he will eventually turn over to Andy MacPhail will be judged by its financial record, not steroids tests.

 

Peter must be pretty sure to just mention this so non-chalantly.

Baseball will be gone in 10 years if this happens

 

I think you are confusing MacPhails ability to put together a championship team with his adminisrative and business capabilities. By all accounts he has actually done well with that, no?

[CuseCubFan69]

I wonder if the players saw that no one was watching the playoffs and this helped push them a little.

[the splendid splinter]

The players have become more pro active and not as much robotic to Donald Fehr and let him inject some of his bs garb which he's become famous for.

[Andy]

Bud Selig made baseball a business, and as he watches a series that assures a seventh champion in seven years -- something the NFL, NBA and NHL have never done -- he can rest assured that the business he will eventually turn over to Andy MacPhail will be judged by its financial record, not steroids tests.

 

Peter must be pretty sure to just mention this so non-chalantly.

Baseball will be gone in 10 years if this happens

 

Yeah, well that's just absurd.

Sarcasm

[cubweiser03]

This doesn't help small market teams stay competitive. They lose their talent to free agency and get no draft pick compensation. I don't like that.

 

But if the slotting system is put in effect doesnt it benefit them? For instance they can draft guys like JD Drew, Jared Weaver without being held hostage to their $ demands and have those guys play in majors soon. Small market teams cant afford to not sign a top 10 pick so they go the safe route and get the signable guy. If i was small market id want the better chance to sign a great player than get compensation for some pick that is say a #20 or a sandwhich pick between the #32 and 45 pick.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Link

 

It's official, and here's one of the answers we've been waiting for.

 

amateur draft pick compensation for some free agents who sign with new teams will be eliminated

[Rob]

Link

 

It's official, and here's one of the answers we've been waiting for.

 

amateur draft pick compensation for some free agents who sign with new teams will be eliminated

 

It's only completely eliminated for Type C's.

 

With Type B's you no longer receive a pick from the team that signed him, but you get a sandwich pick.

 

Type A's remain the same. Though, classification for them drops from the top 30% at a position to the top 20% (and 21% to 40% for B's, down from 50%)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This part will be critical as well.

 

In addition, the Dec. 7 and Jan. 8 deadlines for free agents to re-sign with their former teams were eliminated, and management agreed there would be no contraction under the term of the agreement.

 

Remember this deadline took the Astros out of the Beltran dealings. It also likely affected Alou's possible return to the Cubs.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Very interesting:

 

• As far as the June First-Year Draft is concerned, teams will now get same-slot compensation if they don't sign their draft picks, meaning if a team fails to sign it's No. 3 pick in one draft, it will get the 3(a) pick in the next year's draft. More important, teams will no longer have until the next draft to sign their picks, but must do so by the following Aug. 15 or the player goes back into the pool. Minor League players that fall under the Rule 5 Draft can now be protected from an extra year. Currently players with four to five years of experience can be selected. It will increase to five to six years.

 

The August 15th deadline for signing drafted players does not apply for college seniors.

[CubsInNC]

Very interesting:

 

• As far as the June First-Year Draft is concerned, teams will now get same-slot compensation if they don't sign their draft picks, meaning if a team fails to sign it's No. 3 pick in one draft, it will get the 3(a) pick in the next year's draft. More important, teams will no longer have until the next draft to sign their picks, but must do so by the following Aug. 15 or the player goes back into the pool. Minor League players that fall under the Rule 5 Draft can now be protected from an extra year. Currently players with four to five years of experience can be selected. It will increase to five to six years.

 

The August 15th deadline for signing drafted players does not apply for college seniors.

 

The replacing draft picks surprised me. It makes some sense, that it would help small market teams, somewhat. But what's to stop a team from drafting a signability issue this year, just to screw a team who legitimately could sign him, and thusly screw that player? I realize that MLB is a "gentlemanly" game, but c'mon, there are some pretty shrewd people running some of these organizations.

 

On the latter, that's a good thing. When do the Rule V changes go into effect? I'm assuming this offseason (which means no decisions to make on anyone we already hadn't made decisions on).

[CaliforniaRaisin]

According to Baseball America, the Rule 5 changes take place this offseason itself.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Interesting:

 

Mike A. (SD, CA): No more draft and follows! How is this going to affect the later rounds, when D/F are the big thing? Thanks

 

SportsNation Jim Callis: My guess is we'll eventually see the draft shortened to 25 or 30 rounds. I won't miss the DFE guys, because previewing the draft will be a lot simpler without them.

 

Ben (San Diego): How does the new collective bargaining agreement affect draft and follow picks from this (2006) year's draft?

 

SportsNation Jim Callis: My understanding is that players from the 2006 draft still can be signed as draft and follows.

 

This is going to greatly affect the Cubs' late round drafting strategy as DFEs are a favorite of Wilken's.

[erik316wttn]

This part will be critical as well.

 

In addition, the Dec. 7 and Jan. 8 deadlines for free agents to re-sign with their former teams were eliminated, and management agreed there would be no contraction under the term of the agreement.

 

Remember this deadline took the Astros out of the Beltran dealings. It also likely affected Alou's possible return to the Cubs.

 

So that whole "If they're not signed by then, they can't be negotiated with until May 1st" thing is gone?