College Basketball 2006-2007

[SouthSideRyan]

Purdue, with a lower RPI/SOS and worse record than Illinois is in. Interesting. Gotta love retards.

 

Those are not the only criteria-and at this point, things like RPI are basically ignored by the committee. For the last bubble teams, it's all about maximizing the top wins, minimizing the bad losses, and playing well down the stretch. Purdue is much better in the wins department, Illinois is better in the losses, and they both have finished well. Their profiles are very, very close-I'm not sure how anybody could say it was wrong either way it went.

 

Also one last criteria that is sometimes used is which team you'd rather not face-I'll let people put their own opinions on that one, although I have mine right now for most of the teams in the tournament.

 

I thought it was said explicitly that it is not taken into account "who you'd rather not face" And excellent word subtlety saying Purdue is "MUCH better" in the wins while Illinois is "better" in the losses. The thing is it's really the other way around, the only thing Purdue has on the Illini regarding wins is that they won the head to head matchup. Illinois has an extra win over IU to combat that. I'm not comfortable with a home win in a conference where road wins are impossible to come by being the difference between two teams. Especially when that same team lost to the worst team in the conference earlier in the year.

[SouthSideRyan]

The game should've been over after the Miami 3. You can't go back and change the clock after the fact. It's dishonest to Miami. They're following the clock and are shooting based off of it. If you take 2 seconds off the clock after the fact it is flat out robbing them of the game. Besides, I'm not sure 1.2 seconds even happened in between the first touch and the running of the clock.

 

That was just bush league reffing though. Pathetic.

 

That is awful, the refs should have to explain that to the miami locker room.

 

I think you misunderstood. Miami did win the game, but they did have a chance to lose the game because the refs arbitrarily put .6 seconds on the clock rather than actually make the proper decision. I really think they went in there, saw he took it with 1.2 seconds on the clock, thought it through, and said well we can't take away Miami's basket, but I feel bad for Akron, so let's just half that 1.2 seconds and give Akron a chance. Seems fair. Why not just institute a do-over??

[Handlebar McSkullet]

The game should've been over after the Miami 3. You can't go back and change the clock after the fact. It's dishonest to Miami. They're following the clock and are shooting based off of it. If you take 2 seconds off the clock after the fact it is flat out robbing them of the game. Besides, I'm not sure 1.2 seconds even happened in between the first touch and the running of the clock.

 

That was just bush league reffing though. Pathetic.

 

That is awful, the refs should have to explain that to the miami locker room.

 

I think you misunderstood. Miami did win the game, but they did have a chance to lose the game because the refs arbitrarily put .6 seconds on the clock rather than actually make the proper decision. I really think they went in there, saw he took it with 1.2 seconds on the clock, thought it through, and said well we can't take away Miami's basket, but I feel bad for Akron, so let's just half that 1.2 seconds and give Akron a chance. Seems fair. Why not just institute a do-over??

 

OH!!!!

[CubColtPacer]

Purdue, with a lower RPI/SOS and worse record than Illinois is in. Interesting. Gotta love retards.

 

Those are not the only criteria-and at this point, things like RPI are basically ignored by the committee. For the last bubble teams, it's all about maximizing the top wins, minimizing the bad losses, and playing well down the stretch. Purdue is much better in the wins department, Illinois is better in the losses, and they both have finished well. Their profiles are very, very close-I'm not sure how anybody could say it was wrong either way it went.

 

Also one last criteria that is sometimes used is which team you'd rather not face-I'll let people put their own opinions on that one, although I have mine right now for most of the teams in the tournament.

 

I thought it was said explicitly that it is not taken into account "who you'd rather not face" And excellent word subtlety saying Purdue is "MUCH better" in the wins while Illinois is "better" in the losses. The thing is it's really the other way around, the only thing Purdue has on the Illini regarding wins is that they won the head to head matchup. Illinois has an extra win over IU to combat that. I'm not comfortable with a home win in a conference where road wins are impossible to come by being the difference between two teams. Especially when that same team lost to the worst team in the conference earlier in the year.

 

The conference wins are very similar-it's in non-conference wins where it splits off

Purdue's best 4 non-conference wins-Virginia, Depaul, Oklahoma, Missouri

Illinois' best 4 non-conference wins-Bradley, Missouri, Miami (OH), Florida A@M

 

The difference in Purdue's wins is decently big there-Illinois though has no bad losses, while Purdue has two-Indiana State and Minnesota. It's really about which one is valued more.

 

As for that last criteria, I'm trying to look up that story because I'm curious about that now.

[hawkcub]

I think the Big Ten only gets 3 teams this year. Both Illinois and Pudue will be left out.

[CubColtPacer]

I think the Big Ten only gets 3 teams this year. Both Illinois and Pudue will be left out.

 

What about Michigan State?

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I think the Big Ten only gets 3 teams this year. Both Illinois and Pudue will be left out.

 

well... msu and indiana are locks arn't they. But it does bring up a good point, is there not a more deserving team then either purdue or illnois.

[reggiemiller rules]

I think the Big Ten only gets 3 teams this year. Both Illinois and Pudue will be left out.

 

There is no way that they get less then 4. OSU, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Michigan State are all in already. I think that Purdue is in now to, and Illinois has a good shot as well.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think the Big Ten only gets 3 teams this year. Both Illinois and Pudue will be left out.

 

I would bet my bank account on at least 4 and would probably throw down about 500 bucks on at least 5.

[hawkcub]

Make that 4 teams I forgot about MSU. My point still stands Illinois and Purdue won't make it.

[CubColtPacer]

Purdue, with a lower RPI/SOS and worse record than Illinois is in. Interesting. Gotta love retards.

 

Those are not the only criteria-and at this point, things like RPI are basically ignored by the committee. For the last bubble teams, it's all about maximizing the top wins, minimizing the bad losses, and playing well down the stretch. Purdue is much better in the wins department, Illinois is better in the losses, and they both have finished well. Their profiles are very, very close-I'm not sure how anybody could say it was wrong either way it went.

 

Also one last criteria that is sometimes used is which team you'd rather not face-I'll let people put their own opinions on that one, although I have mine right now for most of the teams in the tournament.

 

I thought it was said explicitly that it is not taken into account "who you'd rather not face"

 

Well, I did a quick search and I think this quote does say that the committee does take that factor into account (although I remember a more explicit quote than this-from Andy Katz's article talking about Texas getting in as an extreme bubble team:

 

and the fact this team passes the sight test of being a quality, troubling tournament team that, yes, includes the best player in the country in Kevin Durant, made it worthy of being in the field. We were told this is the type of conversation that could occur.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Wow, Georgetown is dominating. They look scary good with the inside game.

[SouthSideRyan]

Purdue, with a lower RPI/SOS and worse record than Illinois is in. Interesting. Gotta love retards.

 

Those are not the only criteria-and at this point, things like RPI are basically ignored by the committee. For the last bubble teams, it's all about maximizing the top wins, minimizing the bad losses, and playing well down the stretch. Purdue is much better in the wins department, Illinois is better in the losses, and they both have finished well. Their profiles are very, very close-I'm not sure how anybody could say it was wrong either way it went.

 

Also one last criteria that is sometimes used is which team you'd rather not face-I'll let people put their own opinions on that one, although I have mine right now for most of the teams in the tournament.

 

I thought it was said explicitly that it is not taken into account "who you'd rather not face" And excellent word subtlety saying Purdue is "MUCH better" in the wins while Illinois is "better" in the losses. The thing is it's really the other way around, the only thing Purdue has on the Illini regarding wins is that they won the head to head matchup. Illinois has an extra win over IU to combat that. I'm not comfortable with a home win in a conference where road wins are impossible to come by being the difference between two teams. Especially when that same team lost to the worst team in the conference earlier in the year.

 

The conference wins are very similar-it's in non-conference wins where it splits off

Purdue's best 4 non-conference wins-Virginia, Depaul, Oklahoma, Missouri

Illinois' best 4 non-conference wins-Bradley, Missouri, Miami (OH), Florida A@M

 

The difference in Purdue's wins is decently big there.

 

Looks even bigger when you put Florida A&M in as one of their best 4 when Austin Peay, Belmont, and UIC are all better. U of I's nonconference schedule is ranked 38 and Purdue's was ranked 92. They're both 7-3 in their last 10. Illinois is 9-7 in road/neutral games and Purdue is 5-9.

[texascub]

Amazing finish in the MAC Championship. Akron misses the front end of a one and one while up two, Miami banks a buzzer beating 3 from the wing.

 

They're still looking at it. Apparently the clock might not have started on time so there may still be time left.

 

They are messing this up-there was a timer's error. That shot never should have counted, but it did. The referees cannot change it, and arbitrarily putting time on the clock makes no sense whatsoever.

 

There was exactly 1 second left on the clock when he released the shot, and that's more than the difference from when the ball was first touched and when the clock started. Even if the clock had started on time, there still would have been roughly a half second left on the clock when he released the shot so the shot was good no matter how you look at it. The refs were still terrible though.

[Illini Iceman]

I thought that I'd give an update here-Lunardi was just on TV-his last 4 teams in are Purdue, Stanford, Drexel, and Kansas State. His last 4 teams out are Old Dominion, Illinois, Florida State, and Air Force. He said that the problem for Illinois is that it had a record of 2-10 against teams that are locked into the field. He gets about 63 or 64 out of 65 right each year, so 1 or 2 of those teams that are just out will likely be in over 1 or 2 of those teams that are just in-it will be interesting to shake out which ones those are.

 

Lunardi just likes to hear himself talk this time of the year. His last Bracketology posted on Espn.com has the last four in as Purdue, Illinois, Drexel, and Old Dominion. The last four out are Air Force, Florida State, Kansas State and West Virginia and next four out are Missouri State, Stanford, Appalacian State and Mississippi State.

 

What in the world could Kansas State and Stanford have done for themselves since this morning that moved them up to the last four in? Either he was full of you know what this morning or is now. He just moves teams around so his reports seem interesting.

 

Not that it really matters, Illinois has one and done written all over them this year. But they are more deserving than Kansas State and Stanford.

[SouthSideRyan]

I liked that Bilas called out Lunardi on some of his teams that were in rather than get down on his knees for him like most of ESPN's idiots. The Beav just sat there with his stupid smile on his face and had no answer for Bilas's questions. What a hack.

[Flames24Rulz]

I thought that I'd give an update here-Lunardi was just on TV-his last 4 teams in are Purdue, Stanford, Drexel, and Kansas State. His last 4 teams out are Old Dominion, Illinois, Florida State, and Air Force. He said that the problem for Illinois is that it had a record of 2-10 against teams that are locked into the field. He gets about 63 or 64 out of 65 right each year, so 1 or 2 of those teams that are just out will likely be in over 1 or 2 of those teams that are just in-it will be interesting to shake out which ones those are.

 

Lunardi just likes to hear himself talk this time of the year. His last Bracketology posted on Espn.com has the last four in as Purdue, Illinois, Drexel, and Old Dominion. The last four out are Air Force, Florida State, Kansas State and West Virginia and next four out are Missouri State, Stanford, Appalacian State and Mississippi State.

 

What in the world could Kansas State and Stanford have done for themselves since this morning that moved them up to the last four in? Either he was full of you know what this morning or is now. He just moves teams around so his reports seem interesting.

 

Not that it really matters, Illinois has one and done written all over them this year. But they are more deserving than Kansas State and Stanford.

 

Yep, well said on everything. Kansas State and Stanford have no right in being ahead of Illinois for a spot tomorrow. Lunardi is becoming an egotistical, arrogant meathead these last couple of years.

 

And I'll agree that Illinois has one and done all over them. BUT, that does not mean they should be snubbed over a couple of other undeserving teams.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The game should've been over after the Miami 3. You can't go back and change the clock after the fact. It's dishonest to Miami. They're following the clock and are shooting based off of it. If you take 2 seconds off the clock after the fact it is flat out robbing them of the game. Besides, I'm not sure 1.2 seconds even happened in between the first touch and the running of the clock.

 

That was just bush league reffing though. Pathetic.

 

That is awful, the refs should have to explain that to the miami locker room.

 

I think you misunderstood. Miami did win the game, but they did have a chance to lose the game because the refs arbitrarily put .6 seconds on the clock rather than actually make the proper decision. I really think they went in there, saw he took it with 1.2 seconds on the clock, thought it through, and said well we can't take away Miami's basket, but I feel bad for Akron, so let's just half that 1.2 seconds and give Akron a chance. Seems fair. Why not just institute a do-over??

 

The worst thing is that they did it completely backwards. The clock didn't start until after some time should have elapsed. So, if anything, they need to check to make sure that the shot still would've counted if the clock was started at the right time(it would have since he took it with 1.2 left). So, they solve the problem by ADDING MORE TIME? That's what was wrong in the first place!

[CubColtPacer]

Purdue, with a lower RPI/SOS and worse record than Illinois is in. Interesting. Gotta love retards.

 

Those are not the only criteria-and at this point, things like RPI are basically ignored by the committee. For the last bubble teams, it's all about maximizing the top wins, minimizing the bad losses, and playing well down the stretch. Purdue is much better in the wins department, Illinois is better in the losses, and they both have finished well. Their profiles are very, very close-I'm not sure how anybody could say it was wrong either way it went.

 

Also one last criteria that is sometimes used is which team you'd rather not face-I'll let people put their own opinions on that one, although I have mine right now for most of the teams in the tournament.

 

I thought it was said explicitly that it is not taken into account "who you'd rather not face" And excellent word subtlety saying Purdue is "MUCH better" in the wins while Illinois is "better" in the losses. The thing is it's really the other way around, the only thing Purdue has on the Illini regarding wins is that they won the head to head matchup. Illinois has an extra win over IU to combat that. I'm not comfortable with a home win in a conference where road wins are impossible to come by being the difference between two teams. Especially when that same team lost to the worst team in the conference earlier in the year.

 

The conference wins are very similar-it's in non-conference wins where it splits off

Purdue's best 4 non-conference wins-Virginia, Depaul, Oklahoma, Missouri

Illinois' best 4 non-conference wins-Bradley, Missouri, Miami (OH), Florida A@M

 

The difference in Purdue's wins is decently big there.

 

Looks even bigger when you put Florida A&M in as one of their best 4 when Austin Peay, Belmont, and UIC are all better. U of I's nonconference schedule is ranked 38 and Purdue's was ranked 92. They're both 7-3 in their last 10. Illinois is 9-7 in road/neutral games and Purdue is 5-9.

 

The difference in their non-conference schedule is misleading. A closer look shows why this difference is not as large as it appears to be:

 

Illinois Purdue

Maryland-16 Butler-30

Xavier-33 Georgia Tech-52

Bradley-39 Virginia-54

Missouri-90 Depaul-68

Miami OH-102 Texas A&M CC-82

Belmont-117 Missouri-90

Austin Peay-118 Loyola-Chicago-100

Illinois-Chicago-160 Oklahoma-101

Jackson State-176 Delaware State-114

Florida A&M-184 Indiana State-141

Idaho State-192 Western Carolina-245

IUPUI-211 SE Missouri State-291

Georgia Southern-241 Wagner-297

Savannah State-289 Northern Colorado-336

 

Illinois played 3 teams in the top 50, Purdue played 1. Purdue though played 6 teams between 50-100-Illinois played 1. They each played 3 between 101-150. The reason their SOS is so different is because Purdue's 4 bad opponents have much worse RPI's than Illinois-once you get under 150 though, does it really matter? Both Purdue and Illinois should beat any team under 150 anyway if they are at 160 or 300. I would submit that their SOS is actually pretty equal when you correctly dismiss the differences between teams under 150 as inconsequential to a bubble team-they are all there for easy wins anyway.

[soccer10k]

I thought that I'd give an update here-Lunardi was just on TV-his last 4 teams in are Purdue, Stanford, Drexel, and Kansas State. His last 4 teams out are Old Dominion, Illinois, Florida State, and Air Force. He said that the problem for Illinois is that it had a record of 2-10 against teams that are locked into the field. He gets about 63 or 64 out of 65 right each year, so 1 or 2 of those teams that are just out will likely be in over 1 or 2 of those teams that are just in-it will be interesting to shake out which ones those are.

 

Lunardi just likes to hear himself talk this time of the year. His last Bracketology posted on Espn.com has the last four in as Purdue, Illinois, Drexel, and Old Dominion. The last four out are Air Force, Florida State, Kansas State and West Virginia and next four out are Missouri State, Stanford, Appalacian State and Mississippi State.

 

What in the world could Kansas State and Stanford have done for themselves since this morning that moved them up to the last four in? Either he was full of you know what this morning or is now. He just moves teams around so his reports seem interesting.

 

Not that it really matters, Illinois has one and done written all over them this year. But they are more deserving than Kansas State and Stanford.

 

Yep, well said on everything. Kansas State and Stanford have no right in being ahead of Illinois for a spot tomorrow. Lunardi is becoming an egotistical, arrogant meathead these last couple of years.

 

And I'll agree that Illinois has one and done all over them. BUT, that does not mean they should be snubbed over a couple of other undeserving teams.

 

I don't know about Kansas State but Stanford most definitely deserves to be in over Illinois without question.

[soccer10k]

Wow, Georgetown is dominating. They look scary good with the inside game.

 

I would think that with A&M's early exit from the Big 12 tourney that Georgetown would have just earned a #2 for the NCAA tourney with this win.

[wekse]

Wow, Georgetown is dominating. They look scary good with the inside game.

 

I would think that with A&M's early exit from the Big 12 tourney that Georgetown would have just earned a #2 for the NCAA tourney with this win.

 

 

i think they got a 2 seed with this as well....very good team and one to watch for in the tourney.

[Illini Iceman]

I thought that I'd give an update here-Lunardi was just on TV-his last 4 teams in are Purdue, Stanford, Drexel, and Kansas State. His last 4 teams out are Old Dominion, Illinois, Florida State, and Air Force. He said that the problem for Illinois is that it had a record of 2-10 against teams that are locked into the field. He gets about 63 or 64 out of 65 right each year, so 1 or 2 of those teams that are just out will likely be in over 1 or 2 of those teams that are just in-it will be interesting to shake out which ones those are.

 

Lunardi just likes to hear himself talk this time of the year. His last Bracketology posted on Espn.com has the last four in as Purdue, Illinois, Drexel, and Old Dominion. The last four out are Air Force, Florida State, Kansas State and West Virginia and next four out are Missouri State, Stanford, Appalacian State and Mississippi State.

 

What in the world could Kansas State and Stanford have done for themselves since this morning that moved them up to the last four in? Either he was full of you know what this morning or is now. He just moves teams around so his reports seem interesting.

 

Not that it really matters, Illinois has one and done written all over them this year. But they are more deserving than Kansas State and Stanford.

 

Yep, well said on everything. Kansas State and Stanford have no right in being ahead of Illinois for a spot tomorrow. Lunardi is becoming an egotistical, arrogant meathead these last couple of years.

 

And I'll agree that Illinois has one and done all over them. BUT, that does not mean they should be snubbed over a couple of other undeserving teams.

 

I don't know about Kansas State but Stanford most definitely deserves to be in over Illinois without question.

 

Yeah, Stanford's RPI of 65 and Strength of Schedule of 36 is WAY better than Illinois RPI of 31 and Strength of Schedule of 31.

 

I am sure an argument could be made either way, but "most definitely" and "without question" is a bit overstated.

[texascub]

NMSU just beat Utah St 72-70 for the WAC Championship in another good smaller conference game today.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Wow, Georgetown is dominating. They look scary good with the inside game.

 

I would think that with A&M's early exit from the Big 12 tourney that Georgetown would have just earned a #2 for the NCAA tourney with this win.

 

 

i think they got a 2 seed with this as well....very good team and one to watch for in the tourney.

 

Definitely. Watching them the last few weeks has been an eye opener. Their size creates some ridiculous matchup problems - I mean, I had a huge (overconfident) Gator fan tell me yesterday the team he didn't want to face was Georgetown.