The 2006-2007 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Derwood]

I blame this more on Hinrich (1 for 11 shooting) than the refs.

[UMFan83]

I don't know what to think of this team. They are starting to be frustrating to watch like last years team. At least they aren't like 7-10 games under .500 like last year....yet

[YearofDaCubs]

I don't know what to think of this team. They are starting to be frustrating to watch like last years team. At least they aren't like 7-10 games under .500 like last year....yet

Hinrich frustrates me to no end.

[Derwood]

I don't know what to think of this team. They are starting to be frustrating to watch like last years team. At least they aren't like 7-10 games under .500 like last year....yet

Hinrich frustrates me to no end.

 

he's clearly not able to shoot himself out of a cold start. If he bricks his first 5 shots, he should shut it down and distribute the ball more.

[Andy]

I blame this more on Hinrich (1 for 11 shooting) than the refs.

Hinrich sucking offensively is pretty much a given every 2nd or 3rd game. I have no idea what his diehard fans see in him.

 

I blame this on Ben Gordon being denied the ball on 4 or 5 consecutive offensive possessions after he'd hit 3 or 4 shots in a row in the 4th. At one point we were giving it to Sweets instead of BG. Simply no excuse whatsoever for doing that.

[illiniguy]

I don't know what to think of this team. They are starting to be frustrating to watch like last years team. At least they aren't like 7-10 games under .500 like last year....yet

Hinrich frustrates me to no end.

trade him for Deron Williams

[wolf stansson]

I don't know what to think of this team. They are starting to be frustrating to watch like last years team. At least they aren't like 7-10 games under .500 like last year....yet

Hinrich frustrates me to no end.

trade him for Deron Williams

I'd love to.

[illiniguy]

I don't know what to think of this team. They are starting to be frustrating to watch like last years team. At least they aren't like 7-10 games under .500 like last year....yet

Hinrich frustrates me to no end.

trade him for Deron Williams

I'd love to.

Utah would hang up though without including the draft pick.

[wolf stansson]

I don't know what to think of this team. They are starting to be frustrating to watch like last years team. At least they aren't like 7-10 games under .500 like last year....yet

Hinrich frustrates me to no end.

trade him for Deron Williams

I'd love to.

Utah would hang up though without including the draft pick.

It's true.

[BigSlick]

Oh come on guys, Hinrich is really the leader of this team.

 

Bulls on a 1-3 skid, not good. Rough stretch of opponents coming up.

[Flames24Rulz]

Oh come on guys, Hinrich is really the leader of this team.

 

Bulls on a 1-3 skid, not good. Rough stretch of opponents coming up.

 

Well he better start acting like a leader and stop having the nights where he's 1/11 from the field. It definitely seems like he's beginning to become much more of a chucker this year.

[YearofDaCubs]

Oh come on guys, Hinrich is really the leader of this team.

 

Bulls on a 1-3 skid, not good. Rough stretch of opponents coming up.

 

Well he better start acting like a leader and stop having the nights where he's 1/11 from the field. It definitely seems like he's beginning to become much more of a chucker this year.

His shooting isn't the only thing that has concerned me. Sometimes he takes shots too soon (Deng does this too) and you have to question some of his turnovers. I wonder if he even looks where he passes sometimes.

[1908]

It definitely seems like he's beginning to become much more of a chucker this year.

Yet his .427 FG% this season is the highest it's been in his NBA career. Kirk needs to cut down on his turnovers. I think he'll turn it around.

[wolf stansson]

Oh come on guys, Hinrich is really the leader of this team.

Yes, but Deron Williams is a better basketball player.

[1908]

Yes, but Deron Williams is a better basketball player.

Probably, but it's close. I think their PER's will be very close by season's end, and Hinrich's a better defensive player. Besides, it's not like the Bulls drafted Hinrich instead of Williams. Neither one is Chris Paul; that's for certain. Oops, Utah.

[illiniguy]

Yes, but Deron Williams is a better basketball player.

Probably, but it's close. I think their PER's will be very close by season's end, and Hinrich's a better defensive player. Besides, it's not like the Bulls drafted Hinrich instead of Williams. Neither one is Chris Paul; that's for certain. Oops, Utah.

No, it really isn't close. Deron Williams is a far superior defender to Kirk Hinrich, a better playmaker, and might end up being the better shooter. Chris Paul is good, but Utah got who they wanted. Paul would have a hard time playing for Sloan, what with having to play defense and all.

[wolf stansson]

Yes, but Deron Williams is a better basketball player.

Probably, but it's close. I think their PER's will be very close by season's end, and Hinrich's a better defensive player. Besides, it's not like the Bulls drafted Hinrich instead of Williams. Neither one is Chris Paul; that's for certain. Oops, Utah.

No, it really isn't close. Deron Williams is a far superior defender to Kirk Hinrich, a better playmaker, and might end up being the better shooter. Chris Paul is good, but Utah got who they wanted. Paul would have a hard time playing for Sloan, what with having to play defense and all.

I actually give Kirk the edge on defense. Keep in mind that Kirk has been guarding 2 guards since he broke in the league mainly because Duhon and Gordon can't. I just think the difference between their defense is smaller than the difference in their offense.

 

Deron, age 22/3 season: 16.9 ppg, 8.8 assists, 3.3 rpg, 1.0 steal per, 2.7 turnover per, +18.88 EFF.

Kirk, age 25/6 season, 13.8 ppg, 5.8 assists, 2.7 rpg, 1.2 steal per, 2.18 turnover per, +14.39 EFF.

 

FWIW, Kirk, age 22/3 season: 12.0 ppg, 6.8 assists, 3.4 rpg, 1.3 steal per, 2.68 turnover per.

 

Kirk has been an incredibly consistent player for his career, so unless what we are seeing here is due to injury or fatigue, he will end this season around 15 points and just south of 7 assists. Regardless, Deron Williams is proving to be a better player.

[1908]

Yes, but Deron Williams is a better basketball player.

Probably, but it's close. I think their PER's will be very close by season's end, and Hinrich's a better defensive player. Besides, it's not like the Bulls drafted Hinrich instead of Williams. Neither one is Chris Paul; that's for certain. Oops, Utah.

No, it really isn't close. Deron Williams is a far superior defender to Kirk Hinrich, a better playmaker, and might end up being the better shooter. Chris Paul is good, but Utah got who they wanted. Paul would have a hard time playing for Sloan, what with having to play defense and all.

The notion that Williams is a better defensive player than Hinrich is laughable, and the difference between Paul and Deron is greater than the difference between Deron and Kirk.

[1908]

Kirk has been an incredibly consistent player for his career

Hollinger projected a 16.21 PER for Hinrich this season. He's currently at 14.71, down from 15.56 last year and 15.30 the year before. As I said before, I think Kirk will pick it up before the season's over. He's been a more productive player after the All-Star break the past couple of seasons. We'll see if that trend holds true.

 

For the curious, Deron's PER is currently 17.89 and Paul's is 22.61. (Unrelated to this discussion, Gordon's at 19.16. It just makes me happy to type that.)

[Banedon]

Kirk has been an incredibly consistent player for his career

Hollinger projected a 16.21 PER for Hinrich this season. He's currently at 14.71, down from 15.56 last year and 15.30 the year before. As I said before, I think Kirk will pick it up before the season's over. He's been a more productive player after the All-Star break the past couple of seasons. We'll see if that trend holds true.

 

For the curious, Deron's PER is currently 17.89 and Paul's is 22.61. (Unrelated to this discussion, Gordon's at 19.16. It just makes me happy to type that.)

 

Mike North was asking yesterday morning whether the Bulls should get rid of either Kirk or Gordon, and if so, which one....I don't know why I even flip to the Score in the morning.

[Andy]

(Unrelated to this discussion, Gordon's at 19.16. It just makes me happy to type that.)

It's safe to say that BG has become a consistent player. He is having just as many nights as usual where he shoots the lights out (back to back 40-point games bear witness to that), but when he's off, he's not near as bad as when he was off last year. He gets to the line. I've been very encouraged. I just hope Skiles is ready to start Ben again soon.

[illiniguy]

Yes, but Deron Williams is a better basketball player.

Probably, but it's close. I think their PER's will be very close by season's end, and Hinrich's a better defensive player. Besides, it's not like the Bulls drafted Hinrich instead of Williams. Neither one is Chris Paul; that's for certain. Oops, Utah.

No, it really isn't close. Deron Williams is a far superior defender to Kirk Hinrich, a better playmaker, and might end up being the better shooter. Chris Paul is good, but Utah got who they wanted. Paul would have a hard time playing for Sloan, what with having to play defense and all.

The notion that Williams is a better defensive player than Hinrich is laughable, and the difference between Paul and Deron is greater than the difference between Deron and Kirk.

Right because after all Hinrich plays for Skiles and the Bulls so he has to be the better defender. Deron Williams is the better basketball player and would help the Bulls a lot more than Hinrich does.

[1908]

Right because after all Hinrich plays for Skiles and the Bulls so he has to be the better defender. Deron Williams is the better basketball player and would help the Bulls a lot more than Hinrich does.

Did you just accuse me of being a homer? That's hilarious. No way we're having this conversation if Deron had attended a different college.

 

Williams would be an improvement over Hinrich. Not a huge improvement, and certainly not worth a number one pick in additional to Kirk in a trade.

[illiniguy]

Right because after all Hinrich plays for Skiles and the Bulls so he has to be the better defender. Deron Williams is the better basketball player and would help the Bulls a lot more than Hinrich does.

Did you just accuse me of being a homer? That's hilarious. No way we're having this conversation if Deron had attended a different college.

 

Williams would be an improvement over Hinrich. Not a huge improvement, and certainly not worth a number one pick in additional to Kirk in a trade.

Oh I am a homer, don't get me wrong. I am not making any arguments for Frank Williams or Brian Cook though. I just think Hinrich is a great back up guard for a playoff team. I don't think he is a true 1 or 2 and it is really hard to play him and Gordon at the same time. There are a few guys I would rather have than him, Paul not being one of them(sorry but he can't guard a chair). I agree about not including the number 1 pick to get Williams.

[1908]

I just think Hinrich is a great back up guard for a playoff team. I don't think he is a true 1 or 2 and it is really hard to play him and Gordon at the same time. There are a few guys I would rather have than him, Paul not being one of them(sorry but he can't guard a chair). I agree about not including the number 1 pick to get Williams.

I think you're underestimating Hinrich's talents. He's a solid NBA starting guard. Duhon's the player that has no business in a starting lineup, but that's on Skiles to fix.

 

Paul is an elite PG at 21. The sky's the limit with him. You're wearing some serious homer goggles if you think Deron's in his class.