Lou Piniella already interviewed W/Hendry Per Bruce Levine

[C.C.]

Joe Girardi is next sometime next week.

[Sammy Sofa]

Brenly, please.

[Outshined_One]

Interview some one other than those three, plz.

[Sammy Sofa]

Interview some one other than those three, plz.

 

Ideally? Yes. Likely? No.

[Shilzzz]

Interview some one other than those three, plz.

 

Ideally? Yes. Likely? No.

 

at first i thought the brenly idea was horrible. but with all that has been being said of late i think he has to be the best choice(at least of those hendry is giving a shot).

[Outshined_One]

Interview some one other than those three, plz.

 

Ideally? Yes. Likely? No.

 

A man can dream, can't he?

[Sammy Sofa]

Interview some one other than those three, plz.

 

Ideally? Yes. Likely? No.

 

at first i thought the brenly idea was horrible. but with all that has been being said of late i think he has to be the best choice(at least of those hendry is giving a shot).

 

Same here.

[Roast]

I would actually be very pleased with Girardi. Why is there such a split opinion about him. It seems as if its either "we love girardi" or "girardi is the second coming of baker"

 

...maybe thats stretching it. But the fact remains the opinion is really split. I know the Pro-girardi argument...whats the anti? His shakey relationship with the Florida ownership? If so, werent all of us just a few months ago talking about how terrible the florida ownership was?

[Bruno7481]

Ehhh....

 

Wake me up when someone is hired. There are going to be so many reports, often conflicting, on who has been interviewed or is being considered.

 

I think Girardi is getting a bit of a bum wrap around here. There is no real evidence to support any of the things being said about him expet the Loria confrontation. I'm not in love with the guy, but I don't think he is a bad choice either.

 

Brenly, no opinion really. He's been around the team everyday for the past two years. Don't know if that is a good or bad thing though.

 

Lou, he has done some good things, outside of TB of course. I'm not as anti-Lou as most around here, but I see the concerns. He managed one of the better teams in the league from 2000-2002.

 

I'm just sitting back and waiting for it all to unfold. I beleive the manager position is important. But I'm more looking forward to player personnel moves.

[b_wiggy_66]

Of the three choices I have heard in print or on the radio I think the majortity of poeple want Girardi by a big margin. On here though, I think the opinion is more split and all three of the choices have lots of support here on NSBB.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I would actually be very pleased with Girardi. Why is there such a split opinion about him. It seems as if its either "we love girardi" or "girardi is the second coming of baker"

 

...maybe thats stretching it. But the fact remains the opinion is really split. I know the Pro-girardi argument...whats the anti? His shakey relationship with the Florida ownership? If so, werent all of us just a few months ago talking about how terrible the florida ownership was?

 

Questionable personnel decisions - especially in terms of pitching, staters vs. relievers.

Dusty-like in treating young pitcher's health (brought a rookie back into a game after an 80-minute rain delay!)

Might be too Buck Showalter-like in terms of discipline.

Conventional thinking on the SABR side of things (though I think we're not sure how conventional he really is).

Pro-Girardi folks give him too much credit for the Marlins' relative success in 2006.

 

All in all, I don't think we personally have enough information to be decidedly pro or anti-Girardi without allowing some bias to come in.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Of the three choices I have heard in print or on the radio I think the majortity of poeple want Girardi by a big margin. On here though, I think the opinion is more split and all three of the choices have lots of support here on NSBB.

 

I don't think Piniella has much support here.

[Bruno7481]

Of the three choices I have heard in print or on the radio I think the majortity of poeple want Girardi by a big margin. On here though, I think the opinion is more split and all three of the choices have lots of support here on NSBB.

 

I don't think Piniella has much support here.

 

My theory on Piniella. He was an awful fit in TB with that kind fo team. Low-payroll and very young, and a terrible team. I know he took the job because he is from the TB area and wanted to be close to his parents I believe.

 

In Seatlle, with a mix of some young guys and established players he was pretty good. The payroll was larger, therefore leading to more opportunity for development and player acquisition.

 

If he got the Cubs job, and the Cubs went out and improved this ballclub I don't think he would do a bad job at all. He proved in Seattle that he can win with this type of team.

 

I don't think you would see terrible results like his TB tenure if he took the Cubs job.

 

It goes back to Hendry getting the players to make this happen though.

[CP_414]

Of the three choices I have heard in print or on the radio I think the majortity of poeple want Girardi by a big margin. On here though, I think the opinion is more split and all three of the choices have lots of support here on NSBB.

 

I don't think Piniella has much support here.

 

My theory on Piniella. He was an awful fit in TB with that kind fo team. Low-payroll and very young, and a terrible team. I know he took the job because he is from the TB area and wanted to be close to his parents I believe.

 

In Seatlle, with a mix of some young guys and established players he was pretty good. The payroll was larger, therefore leading to more opportunity for development and player acquisition.

 

If he got the Cubs job, and the Cubs went out and improved this ballclub I don't think he would do a bad job at all. He proved in Seattle that he can win with this type of team.

I don't think you would see terrible results like his TB tenure if he took the Cubs job.

 

It goes back to Hendry getting the players to make this happen though.

 

We have late 90's Griffey, A-Rod, Big Unit, Buhner, and Edgar Martinez? Sweet.

[Bruno7481]

Of the three choices I have heard in print or on the radio I think the majortity of poeple want Girardi by a big margin. On here though, I think the opinion is more split and all three of the choices have lots of support here on NSBB.

 

I don't think Piniella has much support here.

 

My theory on Piniella. He was an awful fit in TB with that kind fo team. Low-payroll and very young, and a terrible team. I know he took the job because he is from the TB area and wanted to be close to his parents I believe.

 

In Seatlle, with a mix of some young guys and established players he was pretty good. The payroll was larger, therefore leading to more opportunity for development and player acquisition.

 

If he got the Cubs job, and the Cubs went out and improved this ballclub I don't think he would do a bad job at all. He proved in Seattle that he can win with this type of team.

I don't think you would see terrible results like his TB tenure if he took the Cubs job.

 

It goes back to Hendry getting the players to make this happen though.

 

We have late 90's Griffey, A-Rod, Big Unit, Buhner, and Edgar Martinez? Sweet.

 

I can bold things too.

[Electron Blue]

Of the three choices I have heard in print or on the radio I think the majortity of poeple want Girardi by a big margin. On here though, I think the opinion is more split and all three of the choices have lots of support here on NSBB.

 

I don't think Piniella has much support here.

 

My theory on Piniella. He was an awful fit in TB with that kind fo team. Low-payroll and very young, and a terrible team. I know he took the job because he is from the TB area and wanted to be close to his parents I believe.

 

In Seatlle, with a mix of some young guys and established players he was pretty good. The payroll was larger, therefore leading to more opportunity for development and player acquisition.

 

If he got the Cubs job, and the Cubs went out and improved this ballclub I don't think he would do a bad job at all. He proved in Seattle that he can win with this type of team.

I don't think you would see terrible results like his TB tenure if he took the Cubs job.

 

It goes back to Hendry getting the players to make this happen though.

 

We have late 90's Griffey, A-Rod, Big Unit, Buhner, and Edgar Martinez? Sweet.

 

I can bold things too.

 

His point stands, though. The power of the 90's Mariner team was very very impressive. Sure Hendry could improve this cubs lineup, but even if he lands a player like A-rod (the ultimate pipedream), I'm still not sure how we compare to the teams Piniella was leading back then.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Interview some one other than those three, plz.

 

Ideally? Yes. Likely? No.

 

I think Hendry will interview others. Whether he interviews anyone that I'd like, I don't know. I just don't see Hendry limiting his search to those three.

[cjbucks]

I would actually be very pleased with Girardi. Why is there such a split opinion about him. It seems as if its either "we love girardi" or "girardi is the second coming of baker"

 

...maybe thats stretching it. But the fact remains the opinion is really split. I know the Pro-girardi argument...whats the anti? His shakey relationship with the Florida ownership? If so, werent all of us just a few months ago talking about how terrible the florida ownership was?

 

Questionable personnel decisions - especially in terms of pitching, staters vs. relievers.

Dusty-like in treating young pitcher's health (brought a rookie back into a game after an 80-minute rain delay!)

Might be too Buck Showalter-like in terms of discipline.

Conventional thinking on the SABR side of things (though I think we're not sure how conventional he really is).

Pro-Girardi folks give him too much credit for the Marlins' relative success in 2006.

 

All in all, I don't think we personally have enough information to be decidedly pro or anti-Girardi without allowing some bias to come in.

 

Didn't that rookie then go on the dl? I'm not at all sure of the specifics of the incident but I swear I heard that was one of the reasons he was going to be fired??

[DCNashville]

 

We have late 90's Griffey, A-Rod, Big Unit, Buhner, and Edgar Martinez? Sweet.

 

In 2001, when the Mariners won a league record 116 games, Piniella was without Griffey (traded to Cincy in the winter of '99), ARod (signed with Texas the winter of 2000), and Johnson (signed in Arizona in '99). He did have Edgar and a washed up Jay Buhner (played in 19 games that season).

 

I'm not a Piniella fan, but lets make sure the facts are straight. He managed one of the best regular season teams of all time and didn't have the big weapons any more.

[Soriano12]

If they pass on Giardi they will be hearing from me at the covention.

They can bet on that.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If they pass on Giardi they will be hearing from me at the covention.

They can bet on that.

 

I'm sure they're shaking in their boots.

[CubinNY]

If they pass on Giardi they will be hearing from me at the covention.

They can bet on that.

 

I bet they'll be hearing from you at the convention anyway.

 

What makes you think Giaradi likes the Cubs over any other organization?

It takes two to make a deal.

[CP_414]

 

We have late 90's Griffey, A-Rod, Big Unit, Buhner, and Edgar Martinez? Sweet.

 

In 2001, when the Mariners won a league record 116 games, Piniella was without Griffey (traded to Cincy in the winter of '99), ARod (signed with Texas the winter of 2000), and Johnson (signed in Arizona in '99). He did have Edgar and a washed up Jay Buhner (played in 19 games that season).

 

I'm not a Piniella fan, but lets make sure the facts are straight. He managed one of the best regular season teams of all time and didn't have the big weapons any more.

 

I was clearly talking about the late 90's team. You want to talk 2001, lets do that. We have nowhere near the talent of that team either. His original point was that Piniella has proven he can win with a mix of vets and youth. The obvious point of my sarcastic comment was only when he has great players. In reality anyone is going to win with those teams. If we assemble a team that has the same level of talent as the Griffey, Unit, A-Rod, Buhner, Martinez Mariners or the Ichiro, Edgar, (Juiced up) Boone, Garcia/Moyer/Sele 2001 Mariners we will win if anyone manages, Piniella and Dusty Baker included.

 

In 2001 Ichiro hit .350/.381/.457

Boone hit .331/.372/.578

Edgar hit .306/.423/..543

Olerud had an OBP over .400

Cameron added 25 HR's

 

3 starters went over 200 IP with sub 4 ERA's in the AL in the "juiced ball era." The Bullpen was one of the best in baseball. How's that for facts?

 

Does anyone think Sweet Lou was the reason why they won 116 games? I don't.

 

I love how when teams win managers are genuises and when they lose they are worthless. MLB managers for the most part are interchangable. Their job is to manage a bullpen and to know how to fill out a lineup card. Amazingly some of them can't do that. If you give any manager great talent, he will win. If you give any manager poor talent, he will lose. Jim Leyland is a sub .500 career manager (another fact), yet this season he is the second coming. Why? Because he has a really talented team.

 

So the bottom line is this: Can Piniella win if we give him a really talented team? Sure. Is he going to be the reason why they win? No way. Do we have a really talented team? Absolutly not. So do I want to spend big money on Piniella who has a reputation of working pitchers like Dusty, has freely admitted on Fox Broadcasts to not being a fan of OBP and not knowing what WHIP is? Heck no!

[Soriano12]

If they pass on Giardi they will be hearing from me at the covention.

They can bet on that.

What makes you think Giaradi likes the Cubs over any other organization?

It takes two to make a deal.

 

We are not competing with every other team for him.

I'm sure he'd rather coach here vs. Washington.

 

and his mansion being built in the north suburbs might be a factor too.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Girardi isn't even the best choice, so if you want to bitch and moan about them passing over a mediocre choice, go ahead.