Will ARod Become Available?

[goonys evil twin]

So....... do the Yankees have a collective case of "realize it's just a game, think about the important things" and lose whatever inspiration they might have had to trade ARod now?

[USSoccer]

So....... do the Yankees have a collective case of "realize it's just a game, think about the important things" and lose whatever inspiration they might have had to trade ARod now?

 

I think it definetly refocuses the energy of the media for at least a week or two. Maybe that buys them the time to figure out a new plan/scapegoat.

 

As far as perspective, I think from a purely cynical/baseball view, if Lidle was under contract for 2007, todays tragedy means they need another pitcher even more.

[baseball7897]

If I'm offering Hill, Pie, and Eyre for Arod, I'd probably ask the Yankees for Pavano and cash back. Pavano would give the Cubs some pitching depth to make up for the loss of Hill.

The offense would be fixed as a middle of the order of Lee, Arod, and Ramirez flanked by Murton, Barrett, and Jones would be pretty good.

 

The Cubs would then need to focus on acquiring one starter either through trade or free agency.

 

NO!!!!!!!!!!

 

Pavano is a huge disaster. I remember hearing about Pavano getting injured before he even stepped on the mound for his start in the minors.

 

Its so shocking Cory Lidle died in the plane crash today. He was a guy I would of loved to see the cubs sign as their 5th starter.

[USSoccer]

If I'm offering Hill, Pie, and Eyre for Arod, I'd probably ask the Yankees for Pavano and cash back. Pavano would give the Cubs some pitching depth to make up for the loss of Hill.

The offense would be fixed as a middle of the order of Lee, Arod, and Ramirez flanked by Murton, Barrett, and Jones would be pretty good.

 

The Cubs would then need to focus on acquiring one starter either through trade or free agency.

 

NO!!!!!!!!!!

 

Pavano is a huge disaster. I remember hearing about Pavano getting injured before he even stepped on the mound for his start in the minors.

 

Its so shocking Cory Lidle died in the plane crash today. He was a guy I would of loved to see the cubs sign as their 5th starter.

 

If taking back Pavano is the cost of getting ARod, I wouldn't hesitate. If Pavano gets healthy he's a fine 5th starter.

[baseball7897]

If I'm offering Hill, Pie, and Eyre for Arod, I'd probably ask the Yankees for Pavano and cash back. Pavano would give the Cubs some pitching depth to make up for the loss of Hill.

The offense would be fixed as a middle of the order of Lee, Arod, and Ramirez flanked by Murton, Barrett, and Jones would be pretty good.

 

The Cubs would then need to focus on acquiring one starter either through trade or free agency.

 

NO!!!!!!!!!!

 

Pavano is a huge disaster. I remember hearing about Pavano getting injured before he even stepped on the mound for his start in the minors.

 

Its so shocking Cory Lidle died in the plane crash today. He was a guy I would of loved to see the cubs sign as their 5th starter.

 

If taking back Pavano is the cost of getting ARod, I wouldn't hesitate. If Pavano gets healthy he's a fine 5th starter.

 

I dont like that deal. Who is taking on Pavano's and A Rod's contracts? I dont think the Yankees would be taking on both of them.

 

Im not a fan of Pavano. He is under .500 for his career, and his only good year was in 2004. Hitters love hitting against him too. There are better options out there.

[Flames24Rulz]

If I'm offering Hill, Pie, and Eyre for Arod, I'd probably ask the Yankees for Pavano and cash back. Pavano would give the Cubs some pitching depth to make up for the loss of Hill.

The offense would be fixed as a middle of the order of Lee, Arod, and Ramirez flanked by Murton, Barrett, and Jones would be pretty good.

 

The Cubs would then need to focus on acquiring one starter either through trade or free agency.

 

NO!!!!!!!!!!

 

Pavano is a huge disaster. I remember hearing about Pavano getting injured before he even stepped on the mound for his start in the minors.

 

Its so shocking Cory Lidle died in the plane crash today. He was a guy I would of loved to see the cubs sign as their 5th starter.

 

If taking back Pavano is the cost of getting ARod, I wouldn't hesitate. If Pavano gets healthy he's a fine 5th starter.

 

Neither would I, but we really can't rely on a guy with his injury history, especially in the last couple of years, to be in the rotation for the whole season.

[Wheelimus]

I'd take Pavano in a packagew ith A-Rod, but no way in hell I give up Rich Hill (and maybe not even Felix Pie) in said deal.

 

Pavano has two years and twenty million dollars left on his contract, and no guarantee that he's going to pitch again.

 

Crazy thought. If the Cubs directive is to win a world series, now, is management and The Tribune willing to put their money where their mouth is? Because we might be able to swing this just by spending a LOT of money.

 

The Yankees have a lot of work to do and could use salary relief. I know they have a lot of big contracts coming off the books, but those are new holes they have to fill.

 

So what about something insane like this, a three way deal.

 

Marlins give - Dontrelle Willis, Renyel Pinto

Marlins get - Carl Pavano, Sean Gallagher, mid-level prospect, Pavano's salary almost exclusively paid by Cubs

 

Cubs give - Ryan Dempster, Sean Gallagher, mid-level prospect

Cubs get - Alex Rodriguez

 

Yankees give - Alex Rodriguez

Yankees get - Dontrelle Willis, Ryan Dempster, Renyel Pinto

 

 

I know, nobody would do it probably. The way I'm working this is, we know the Marlins have no money. We have $20 million for a parking garage that's on hold. If we dumped that into paying Pavano to go back to Florida, maybe they give up Dontrelle who they can't afford and everyone knows it.

 

Unworkable I'm sure, but fun to try to think up. Of course, Florida could be having a big bump in payroll for all I know.

[baseball7897]

I'd take Pavano in a packagew ith A-Rod, but no way in hell I give up Rich Hill (and maybe not even Felix Pie) in said deal.

 

Pavano has two years and twenty million dollars left on his contract, and no guarantee that he's going to pitch again.

 

Crazy thought. If the Cubs directive is to win a world series, now, is management and The Tribune willing to put their money where their mouth is? Because we might be able to swing this just by spending a LOT of money.

 

The Yankees have a lot of work to do and could use salary relief. I know they have a lot of big contracts coming off the books, but those are new holes they have to fill.

 

So what about something insane like this, a three way deal.

 

Marlins give - Dontrelle Willis, Renyel Pinto

Marlins get - Carl Pavano, Sean Gallagher, mid-level prospect, Pavano's salary almost exclusively paid by Cubs

Cubs give - Ryan Dempster, Sean Gallagher, mid-level prospect

Cubs get - Alex Rodriguez

 

Yankees give - Alex Rodriguez

Yankees get - Dontrelle Willis, Ryan Dempster, Renyel Pinto

 

 

I know, nobody would do it probably. The way I'm working this is, we know the Marlins have no money. We have $20 million for a parking garage that's on hold. If we dumped that into paying Pavano to go back to Florida, maybe they give up Dontrelle who they can't afford and everyone knows it.

 

Unworkable I'm sure, but fun to try to think up. Of course, Florida could be having a big bump in payroll for all I know.

 

So the Cubs are going to be paying for a guy they dont even have? Horrible idea.

[Banedon]

I'd take Pavano in a packagew ith A-Rod, but no way in hell I give up Rich Hill (and maybe not even Felix Pie) in said deal.

 

Pavano has two years and twenty million dollars left on his contract, and no guarantee that he's going to pitch again.

 

Crazy thought. If the Cubs directive is to win a world series, now, is management and The Tribune willing to put their money where their mouth is? Because we might be able to swing this just by spending a LOT of money.

 

The Yankees have a lot of work to do and could use salary relief. I know they have a lot of big contracts coming off the books, but those are new holes they have to fill.

 

So what about something insane like this, a three way deal.

 

Marlins give - Dontrelle Willis, Renyel Pinto

Marlins get - Carl Pavano, Sean Gallagher, mid-level prospect, Pavano's salary almost exclusively paid by Cubs

Cubs give - Ryan Dempster, Sean Gallagher, mid-level prospect

Cubs get - Alex Rodriguez

 

Yankees give - Alex Rodriguez

Yankees get - Dontrelle Willis, Ryan Dempster, Renyel Pinto

 

 

I know, nobody would do it probably. The way I'm working this is, we know the Marlins have no money. We have $20 million for a parking garage that's on hold. If we dumped that into paying Pavano to go back to Florida, maybe they give up Dontrelle who they can't afford and everyone knows it.

 

Unworkable I'm sure, but fun to try to think up. Of course, Florida could be having a big bump in payroll for all I know.

 

So the Cubs are going to be paying for a guy they dont even have? Horrible idea.

 

Unretired already? 8-)

[HoopsCubs]

One of the Chicago beat writers today had the idea of trading Crede and Freddy Garcia for ARod - money matches up pretty well. With ARod playing SS, the Sox would then let Fields play 3B and either trade Uribe or let him be an expensive utility guy for a season.

[baseball7897]

I'd take Pavano in a packagew ith A-Rod, but no way in hell I give up Rich Hill (and maybe not even Felix Pie) in said deal.

 

Pavano has two years and twenty million dollars left on his contract, and no guarantee that he's going to pitch again.

 

Crazy thought. If the Cubs directive is to win a world series, now, is management and The Tribune willing to put their money where their mouth is? Because we might be able to swing this just by spending a LOT of money.

 

The Yankees have a lot of work to do and could use salary relief. I know they have a lot of big contracts coming off the books, but those are new holes they have to fill.

 

So what about something insane like this, a three way deal.

 

Marlins give - Dontrelle Willis, Renyel Pinto

Marlins get - Carl Pavano, Sean Gallagher, mid-level prospect, Pavano's salary almost exclusively paid by Cubs

Cubs give - Ryan Dempster, Sean Gallagher, mid-level prospect

Cubs get - Alex Rodriguez

 

Yankees give - Alex Rodriguez

Yankees get - Dontrelle Willis, Ryan Dempster, Renyel Pinto

 

 

I know, nobody would do it probably. The way I'm working this is, we know the Marlins have no money. We have $20 million for a parking garage that's on hold. If we dumped that into paying Pavano to go back to Florida, maybe they give up Dontrelle who they can't afford and everyone knows it.

 

Unworkable I'm sure, but fun to try to think up. Of course, Florida could be having a big bump in payroll for all I know.

 

So the Cubs are going to be paying for a guy they dont even have? Horrible idea.

 

Unretired already? 8-)

 

lol, the fall baseball season ended Sunday. I will be starting my off-season workouts November 1st. So for now, I will be posting away.

[Backtobanks]

One of the Chicago beat writers today had the idea of trading Crede and Freddy Garcia for ARod - money matches up pretty well. With ARod playing SS, the Sox would then let Fields play 3B and either trade Uribe or let him be an expensive utility guy for a season.

 

The Sox deal matches up with the Yankees' needs. I would think teams might be a little hesitant on Crede until they find out details on his back. If his back is okay, this would be a good deal for both teams. As others have posted, the Cubs would need a third team to obtain ARod.

[HoopsCubs]

One of the Chicago beat writers today had the idea of trading Crede and Freddy Garcia for ARod - money matches up pretty well. With ARod playing SS, the Sox would then let Fields play 3B and either trade Uribe or let him be an expensive utility guy for a season.

 

The Sox deal matches up with the Yankees' needs. I would think teams might be a little hesitant on Crede until they find out details on his back. If his back is okay, this would be a good deal for both teams. As others have posted, the Cubs would need a third team to obtain ARod.

 

The only other deals I can think of:

 

(1) Florida sends Cabrera and Willis to NYY, Yanks send ARod to Third team, and third team sends a boatload of excellent prospects or cheap players to Florida. But, who is that 3rd team? Angels? Dodgers? Padres?

 

(2) Seattle trades Beltre and Felix Rodriguez.

 

The CW is that ARod would veto a trade to a West Coast team.

 

I think the only way the Yanks would trade ARod without getting back a 3B in the deal would be for Aramis to become a free agent. If the Yanks signed Aramis, I think they would trade ARod for just pitching - that's just a hunch.

[Backtobanks]

One of the Chicago beat writers today had the idea of trading Crede and Freddy Garcia for ARod - money matches up pretty well. With ARod playing SS, the Sox would then let Fields play 3B and either trade Uribe or let him be an expensive utility guy for a season.

 

The Sox deal matches up with the Yankees' needs. I would think teams might be a little hesitant on Crede until they find out details on his back. If his back is okay, this would be a good deal for both teams. As others have posted, the Cubs would need a third team to obtain ARod.

 

The only other deals I can think of:

 

(1) Florida sends Cabrera and Willis to NYY, Yanks send ARod to Third team, and third team sends a boatload of excellent prospects or cheap players to Florida. But, who is that 3rd team? Angels? Dodgers? Padres?

 

(2) Seattle trades Beltre and Felix Rodriguez.

 

The CW is that ARod would veto a trade to a West Coast team.

 

I think the only way the Yanks would trade ARod without getting back a 3B in the deal would be for Aramis to become a free agent. If the Yanks signed Aramis, I think they would trade ARod for just pitching - that's just a hunch.

 

I don't think it would have to be Cabrera and Willis, but maybe Cabrera orWillis with another player or 2 involved. If it's one or the other, the third team might not have to send quite as many players (or the Yanks might send a prospect too).

[goonys evil twin]

I don't think it would have to be Cabrera and Willis, but maybe Cabrera orWillis with another player or 2 involved. If it's one or the other, the third team might not have to send quite as many players (or the Yanks might send a prospect too).

 

Yeah, Cabrera is already as good as ARod, and there is likely to get better soon. If the Yanks trade ARod and get Cabrera, that's genius. If they get Cabrera and Willis, that's outright thievery.

[daske17]

I don't think it would have to be Cabrera and Willis, but maybe Cabrera orWillis with another player or 2 involved. If it's one or the other, the third team might not have to send quite as many players (or the Yanks might send a prospect too).

 

Yeah, Cabrera is already as good as ARod, and there is likely to get better soon. If the Yanks trade ARod and get Cabrera, that's genius. If they get Cabrera and Willis, that's outright thievery.

 

And if they need a third team to provide the prospects, the Cubs probably wouldn't be able to participate. I mean, the Marlins already have three of our better prospects. You can't get blood from a stone.

 

That also would necessitate A-Rod waiving his no-trade clause unless they plan to play Cabrera in right and drop Sheffield.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

One of the Chicago beat writers today had the idea of trading Crede and Freddy Garcia for ARod - money matches up pretty well. With ARod playing SS, the Sox would then let Fields play 3B and either trade Uribe or let him be an expensive utility guy for a season.

 

The Sox deal matches up with the Yankees' needs. I would think teams might be a little hesitant on Crede until they find out details on his back. If his back is okay, this would be a good deal for both teams. As others have posted, the Cubs would need a third team to obtain ARod.

 

The only other deals I can think of:

 

(1) Florida sends Cabrera and Willis to NYY, Yanks send ARod to Third team, and third team sends a boatload of excellent prospects or cheap players to Florida. But, who is that 3rd team? Angels? Dodgers? Padres?

 

(2) Seattle trades Beltre and Felix Rodriguez.

 

The CW is that ARod would veto a trade to a West Coast team.

 

I think the only way the Yanks would trade ARod without getting back a 3B in the deal would be for Aramis to become a free agent. If the Yanks signed Aramis, I think they would trade ARod for just pitching - that's just a hunch.

 

The Padres don't have the prospects for such a trade.

[USSoccer]

The only teams that make sense to be involved would be Anaheim, LA Dodgers, Cubs, Houston, Philly, and the White Sox. Of thosee teams, I'd probably put them in this order of probablility:

 

White Sox (Crede and Garcia)

Anaheim (prospects)

Cubs (Prior, Eyre and Pie)

Dodgers

Houston

Philly

 

I severely doubt Florida trade Willis and Cabrera in the same trade. It makes more sense to break them up and deal them seperately. In fact, I doubt either are traded at all this offseason.

[CubinNY]

I severely doubt Florida trade Willis and Cabrera in the same trade. It makes more sense to break them up and deal them seperately. In fact, I doubt either are traded at all this offseason.

 

I don't. Especially Caberrea. Both would fetch a lot of talent in return and both are going to get big raises soon.

[soccer10k]

I know, nobody would do it probably. The way I'm working this is, we know the Marlins have no money. We have $20 million for a parking garage that's on hold. If we dumped that into paying Pavano to go back to Florida, maybe they give up Dontrelle who they can't afford and everyone knows it.

 

Somebody made this point in another thread (I think) and it's not feasible to do this.

[USSoccer]

I severely doubt Florida trade Willis and Cabrera in the same trade. It makes more sense to break them up and deal them seperately. In fact, I doubt either are traded at all this offseason.

 

I don't. Especially Caberrea. Both would fetch a lot of talent in return and both are going to get big raises soon.

 

I guess it depends how far away Marlins management thinks they are from contention. If they think they can contend for a playoff spot, why deal them?

[CubinNY]

I severely doubt Florida trade Willis and Cabrera in the same trade. It makes more sense to break them up and deal them seperately. In fact, I doubt either are traded at all this offseason.

 

I don't. Especially Caberrea. Both would fetch a lot of talent in return and both are going to get big raises soon.

 

I guess it depends how far away Marlins management thinks they are from contention. If they think they can contend for a playoff spot, why deal them?

 

Becuase Jeff Loria is all about the Benjimans. He is doing his level best to get them moved out of S. Florida.

[SouthSideRyan]

Can somebody tell me why the Yankees would be interested in Freddy Garcia? Did they lose in the postsesason due to a lack of mediocre pitchers?

[Backtobanks]

Can somebody tell me why the Yankees would be interested in Freddy Garcia? Did they lose in the postsesason due to a lack of mediocre pitchers?

 

The same reason they would be interested in Prior.

[SouthSideRyan]

Freddy Garcia's 26 and cheap?