Will ARod Become Available?

[Backtobanks]

I don't think the Yankees necessarily need to get a 3B in a trade for ARod. They can get one later. What they need is starting pitching, and I think a trade that nets them a #1 type starter could get the job done as well.

The FA class is very weak for 3b, and there are no obvious trade candidates. The yanks need pitching, but they should be able to get pitching AND a 3b for ARod.

 

They won't need pitching after they sign Zito, Scmidt, and Matsuzaka.

[soccer10k]

I don't think the Yankees necessarily need to get a 3B in a trade for ARod. They can get one later. What they need is starting pitching, and I think a trade that nets them a #1 type starter could get the job done as well.

The FA class is very weak for 3b, and there are no obvious trade candidates. The yanks need pitching, but they should be able to get pitching AND a 3b for ARod.

 

They don't need a good offensive 3B. Sheffield likely won't be back and, if you trade ARod, you still have these players under contract for 2007:

 

CF Damon

SS Jeter

RF Abreu

1B Giambi

LF Matsui

C Posada

2B Cano

 

So realistically, all they would need are #8 and #9 hitters one of which would be a DH meaning they can get anybody to hit there. The Yankees need pitching. That should be their primary and secondary focus this offseason.

 

Sure, the yanks don't NEED any more players that can hit the ball, but thats besides the point. We are talking about one of the top 3 offensive players in the league here, they will be able to ask for and get a 3B and a pitcher for him unless the pitcher's name is C. Zambrano, Santana, Oswalt, Carpenter or the like. ARod is a reasonably priced perennial MVP candidate, if its just going to take pitching, its going to have to be a reasonably priced Cy Young candidate. Which isn't going to happen.

 

Couldn't the Yankees get a couple solid pitchers in return instead of one Cy Young pitcher? Maybe in a three-way deal?

[rawaction]

Does anyone know if Arod can still play SS? He hasn't looked all that smooth in the games I've seen him at 3B.

[nilodnayr]

I don't think the Yankees necessarily need to get a 3B in a trade for ARod. They can get one later. What they need is starting pitching, and I think a trade that nets them a #1 type starter could get the job done as well.

The FA class is very weak for 3b, and there are no obvious trade candidates. The yanks need pitching, but they should be able to get pitching AND a 3b for ARod.

 

They don't need a good offensive 3B. Sheffield likely won't be back and, if you trade ARod, you still have these players under contract for 2007:

 

CF Damon

SS Jeter

RF Abreu

1B Giambi

LF Matsui

C Posada

2B Cano

 

So realistically, all they would need are #8 and #9 hitters one of which would be a DH meaning they can get anybody to hit there. The Yankees need pitching. That should be their primary and secondary focus this offseason.

 

Sure, the yanks don't NEED any more players that can hit the ball, but thats besides the point. We are talking about one of the top 3 offensive players in the league here, they will be able to ask for and get a 3B and a pitcher for him unless the pitcher's name is C. Zambrano, Santana, Oswalt, Carpenter or the like. ARod is a reasonably priced perennial MVP candidate, if its just going to take pitching, its going to have to be a reasonably priced Cy Young candidate. Which isn't going to happen.

 

Couldn't the Yankees get a couple solid pitchers in return instead of one Cy Young pitcher? Maybe in a three-way deal?

 

What team can afford to trade their #2 and #3 starters? And remember, the Yankees pitching is subpar, but its not because of depth, its because of top end talent. Consider who will be getting bumped from the rotation and if the guy they would be acquiring would be significantly better than him.

[shnsajax]

I don't think the Yankees necessarily need to get a 3B in a trade for ARod. They can get one later. What they need is starting pitching, and I think a trade that nets them a #1 type starter could get the job done as well.

The FA class is very weak for 3b, and there are no obvious trade candidates. The yanks need pitching, but they should be able to get pitching AND a 3b for ARod.

 

They don't need a good offensive 3B. Sheffield likely won't be back and, if you trade ARod, you still have these players under contract for 2007:

 

CF Damon

SS Jeter

RF Abreu

1B Giambi

LF Matsui

C Posada

2B Cano

 

So realistically, all they would need are #8 and #9 hitters one of which would be a DH meaning they can get anybody to hit there. The Yankees need pitching. That should be their primary and secondary focus this offseason.

 

Sure, the yanks don't NEED any more players that can hit the ball, but thats besides the point. We are talking about one of the top 3 offensive players in the league here, they will be able to ask for and get a 3B and a pitcher for him unless the pitcher's name is C. Zambrano, Santana, Oswalt, Carpenter or the like. ARod is a reasonably priced perennial MVP candidate, if its just going to take pitching, its going to have to be a reasonably priced Cy Young candidate. Which isn't going to happen.

 

Couldn't the Yankees get a couple solid pitchers in return instead of one Cy Young pitcher? Maybe in a three-way deal?

 

What team can afford to trade their #2 and #3 starters? And remember, the Yankees pitching is subpar, but its not because of depth, its because of top end talent. Consider who will be getting bumped from the rotation and if the guy they would be acquiring would be significantly better than him.

 

Heard the Astros could be one of the teams interested for Arod. Anyone think they might consider trading Oswalt to get Arod?

[Banedon]

http://danshanoff.blogspot.com/

 

This is the blog of the guy that used to write the daily quickie. No real news here, but as a Yankee fan, I thought this was interesting:

 

And you have to believe that A-Rod is as good as gone. The question is: Who wants him? And how much of his salary will the Yankees have to eat to get rid of him? I still like my brother's idea to send him to the Cubs for Aramis Ramirez.

 

Straight up? I think I'd have to go for that.

[Soriano12]

we gotta "own" Aram before we "deal" him.

[Banedon]

we gotta "own" Aram before we "deal" him.

 

Yeah and there's no reason for the yankees to not just sign him as a free agent instead of dealing for him. Not something I'm expecting to happen, just thought it was a fun thought.

[Soriano12]

we gotta "own" Aram before we "deal" him.

 

I want to state that by "own" I meant simply contract wise.

 

 

Last thing we need is Fox Baseball doing another story on Cubs fans.

 

sheesh.

[soccer10k]

I don't think the Yankees necessarily need to get a 3B in a trade for ARod. They can get one later. What they need is starting pitching, and I think a trade that nets them a #1 type starter could get the job done as well.

The FA class is very weak for 3b, and there are no obvious trade candidates. The yanks need pitching, but they should be able to get pitching AND a 3b for ARod.

 

They don't need a good offensive 3B. Sheffield likely won't be back and, if you trade ARod, you still have these players under contract for 2007:

 

CF Damon

SS Jeter

RF Abreu

1B Giambi

LF Matsui

C Posada

2B Cano

 

So realistically, all they would need are #8 and #9 hitters one of which would be a DH meaning they can get anybody to hit there. The Yankees need pitching. That should be their primary and secondary focus this offseason.

 

Sure, the yanks don't NEED any more players that can hit the ball, but thats besides the point. We are talking about one of the top 3 offensive players in the league here, they will be able to ask for and get a 3B and a pitcher for him unless the pitcher's name is C. Zambrano, Santana, Oswalt, Carpenter or the like. ARod is a reasonably priced perennial MVP candidate, if its just going to take pitching, its going to have to be a reasonably priced Cy Young candidate. Which isn't going to happen.

 

Couldn't the Yankees get a couple solid pitchers in return instead of one Cy Young pitcher? Maybe in a three-way deal?

 

What team can afford to trade their #2 and #3 starters? And remember, the Yankees pitching is subpar, but its not because of depth, its because of top end talent. Consider who will be getting bumped from the rotation and if the guy they would be acquiring would be significantly better than him.

 

Three team deal.

[NorthsideAvenger]

we gotta "own" Aram before we "deal" him.

 

 

My guess is ARam would not excerise his opt-out clause, if he got a guarantee that the Yankkes would extended him for the money he wants. And, which btw, if ARam is waiting on who the Cubs hire as manager, wouldn't the same prinicple be used if he is a bargaining chip for ARod, cause, I'm pretty if Piniella replace Torre, follow through, I don't know if ARam would want to go to NY. NY media + Piniella "old school toughness"= an unhappy ARam, IMO.

[goonys evil twin]

The best way to get the inside track on ARod is to tell the Yankees you will be willing to take on Pavano and part of his contract. Send them Eyre, Aardsma, Marmol and Jones for ARod, Pavano and $8m per for the next 2 years (remainder of Pavano deal) then $3m each of the next two years (remainder of ARod deal).

 

I believe Pavano could have returned to action in NY, the problem was they felt betrayed by the car accident incident, and never liked how he transititioned to the Yankees. It was partially Yankee arrogance that devalued Pavano. If you take $4m off of ARod's and Pavano's deals, they are getting $12+ and $6 million, respectively, in 2007. The Yankees rid themselves of 2 headaches, cut some payroll to make room for other acquisitions, and fill some holes in the bullpen. Jones could be moved in a later move, or used in the OF/DH platoon that is the Yankees OF.

 

 

After this, the Cubs give up of the farm for Cabrera and Willis, and you've got a rotation with tremendous upside, an unstoppable lineup (with Murton and Theriot/Cedeno accounting for the cheap parts), and a still solid bullpen with Ohman, Wood, Wuertz, Howry and Dempster taking on the bulk of the duty, and 2 spots reserved for cheap kids.

 

 

 

Voila! Who cares who manages this team.

[USSoccer]

The best way to get the inside track on ARod is to tell the Yankees you will be willing to take on Pavano and part of his contract.

 

I think you're right. If a team is willing to take back Wright or Pavano, you're going to have a shot at ARod.

 

I'd probably structure a deal like Izturis/Eyre/Marshall/Aardsma plus cash.

[HoopsCubs]

The best way to get the inside track on ARod is to tell the Yankees you will be willing to take on Pavano and part of his contract. Send them Eyre, Aardsma, Marmol and Jones for ARod, Pavano and $8m per for the next 2 years (remainder of Pavano deal) then $3m each of the next two years (remainder of ARod deal).

 

I believe Pavano could have returned to action in NY, the problem was they felt betrayed by the car accident incident, and never liked how he transititioned to the Yankees. It was partially Yankee arrogance that devalued Pavano. If you take $4m off of ARod's and Pavano's deals, they are getting $12+ and $6 million, respectively, in 2007. The Yankees rid themselves of 2 headaches, cut some payroll to make room for other acquisitions, and fill some holes in the bullpen. Jones could be moved in a later move, or used in the OF/DH platoon that is the Yankees OF.

 

 

After this, the Cubs give up of the farm for Cabrera and Willis, and you've got a rotation with tremendous upside, an unstoppable lineup (with Murton and Theriot/Cedeno accounting for the cheap parts), and a still solid bullpen with Ohman, Wood, Wuertz, Howry and Dempster taking on the bulk of the duty, and 2 spots reserved for cheap kids.

 

 

 

Voila! Who cares who manages this team.

 

I like it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The best way to get the inside track on ARod is to tell the Yankees you will be willing to take on Pavano and part of his contract. Send them Eyre, Aardsma, Marmol and Jones for ARod, Pavano and $8m per for the next 2 years (remainder of Pavano deal) then $3m each of the next two years (remainder of ARod deal).

 

I believe Pavano could have returned to action in NY, the problem was they felt betrayed by the car accident incident, and never liked how he transititioned to the Yankees. It was partially Yankee arrogance that devalued Pavano. If you take $4m off of ARod's and Pavano's deals, they are getting $12+ and $6 million, respectively, in 2007. The Yankees rid themselves of 2 headaches, cut some payroll to make room for other acquisitions, and fill some holes in the bullpen. Jones could be moved in a later move, or used in the OF/DH platoon that is the Yankees OF.

 

 

After this, the Cubs give up of the farm for Cabrera and Willis, and you've got a rotation with tremendous upside, an unstoppable lineup (with Murton and Theriot/Cedeno accounting for the cheap parts), and a still solid bullpen with Ohman, Wood, Wuertz, Howry and Dempster taking on the bulk of the duty, and 2 spots reserved for cheap kids.

 

 

 

Voila! Who cares who manages this team.

 

Any way you could get that done?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The best way to get the inside track on ARod is to tell the Yankees you will be willing to take on Pavano and part of his contract. Send them Eyre, Aardsma, Marmol and Jones for ARod, Pavano and $8m per for the next 2 years (remainder of Pavano deal) then $3m each of the next two years (remainder of ARod deal).

 

I believe Pavano could have returned to action in NY, the problem was they felt betrayed by the car accident incident, and never liked how he transititioned to the Yankees. It was partially Yankee arrogance that devalued Pavano. If you take $4m off of ARod's and Pavano's deals, they are getting $12+ and $6 million, respectively, in 2007. The Yankees rid themselves of 2 headaches, cut some payroll to make room for other acquisitions, and fill some holes in the bullpen. Jones could be moved in a later move, or used in the OF/DH platoon that is the Yankees OF.

 

 

After this, the Cubs give up of the farm for Cabrera and Willis, and you've got a rotation with tremendous upside, an unstoppable lineup (with Murton and Theriot/Cedeno accounting for the cheap parts), and a still solid bullpen with Ohman, Wood, Wuertz, Howry and Dempster taking on the bulk of the duty, and 2 spots reserved for cheap kids.

 

 

 

Voila! Who cares who manages this team.

 

Jones and Hudson could also work in lieu of Cabrera and Willis, although that may get a bit dicey financially.

[goonys evil twin]

The best way to get the inside track on ARod is to tell the Yankees you will be willing to take on Pavano and part of his contract. Send them Eyre, Aardsma, Marmol and Jones for ARod, Pavano and $8m per for the next 2 years (remainder of Pavano deal) then $3m each of the next two years (remainder of ARod deal).

 

I believe Pavano could have returned to action in NY, the problem was they felt betrayed by the car accident incident, and never liked how he transititioned to the Yankees. It was partially Yankee arrogance that devalued Pavano. If you take $4m off of ARod's and Pavano's deals, they are getting $12+ and $6 million, respectively, in 2007. The Yankees rid themselves of 2 headaches, cut some payroll to make room for other acquisitions, and fill some holes in the bullpen. Jones could be moved in a later move, or used in the OF/DH platoon that is the Yankees OF.

 

 

After this, the Cubs give up of the farm for Cabrera and Willis, and you've got a rotation with tremendous upside, an unstoppable lineup (with Murton and Theriot/Cedeno accounting for the cheap parts), and a still solid bullpen with Ohman, Wood, Wuertz, Howry and Dempster taking on the bulk of the duty, and 2 spots reserved for cheap kids.

 

 

 

Voila! Who cares who manages this team.

 

Jones and Hudson could also work in lieu of Cabrera and Willis, although that may get a bit dicey financially.

 

My deal costs $101m, Jones and Hudson would blow that out of the water.

[daske17]

The best way to get the inside track on ARod is to tell the Yankees you will be willing to take on Pavano and part of his contract. Send them Eyre, Aardsma, Marmol and Jones for ARod, Pavano and $8m per for the next 2 years (remainder of Pavano deal) then $3m each of the next two years (remainder of ARod deal).

 

I believe Pavano could have returned to action in NY, the problem was they felt betrayed by the car accident incident, and never liked how he transititioned to the Yankees. It was partially Yankee arrogance that devalued Pavano. If you take $4m off of ARod's and Pavano's deals, they are getting $12+ and $6 million, respectively, in 2007. The Yankees rid themselves of 2 headaches, cut some payroll to make room for other acquisitions, and fill some holes in the bullpen. Jones could be moved in a later move, or used in the OF/DH platoon that is the Yankees OF.

 

 

After this, the Cubs give up of the farm for Cabrera and Willis, and you've got a rotation with tremendous upside, an unstoppable lineup (with Murton and Theriot/Cedeno accounting for the cheap parts), and a still solid bullpen with Ohman, Wood, Wuertz, Howry and Dempster taking on the bulk of the duty, and 2 spots reserved for cheap kids.

 

 

 

Voila! Who cares who manages this team.

 

Cabrera, Willis, Pavano, Lee, possibly Pierre. . . shoot let's just reunite the remaining 2003 Marlins!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jones and Hudson could also work in lieu of Cabrera and Willis, although that may get a bit dicey financially.

 

My deal costs $101m, Jones and Hudson would blow that out of the water.

 

Going with Hoops's 23 million idea, adding Jones, Hudson, A-Rod, Pavano, and subtracting the money from the Yankees, Jones, Eyre adds about 33M. So we'd need Atlanta to kick in 5 mil, and convince the Trib to go to 105 mil, or some combination of the two to cover it. Not completely unworkable.

[soccer10k]

The best way to get the inside track on ARod is to tell the Yankees you will be willing to take on Pavano and part of his contract. Send them Eyre, Aardsma, Marmol and Jones for ARod, Pavano and $8m per for the next 2 years (remainder of Pavano deal) then $3m each of the next two years (remainder of ARod deal).

 

I believe Pavano could have returned to action in NY, the problem was they felt betrayed by the car accident incident, and never liked how he transititioned to the Yankees. It was partially Yankee arrogance that devalued Pavano. If you take $4m off of ARod's and Pavano's deals, they are getting $12+ and $6 million, respectively, in 2007. The Yankees rid themselves of 2 headaches, cut some payroll to make room for other acquisitions, and fill some holes in the bullpen. Jones could be moved in a later move, or used in the OF/DH platoon that is the Yankees OF.

 

 

After this, the Cubs give up of the farm for Cabrera and Willis, and you've got a rotation with tremendous upside, an unstoppable lineup (with Murton and Theriot/Cedeno accounting for the cheap parts), and a still solid bullpen with Ohman, Wood, Wuertz, Howry and Dempster taking on the bulk of the duty, and 2 spots reserved for cheap kids.

 

 

 

Voila! Who cares who manages this team.

 

That's definitely an interesting scenario. It would be like the Yankees taking on Lidle to get Abreu. If Pavano can come back healthy in 2007 that deal alone would fill two holes in the team. Unless I missed something, the Cubs would still need a CF (I'm assuming Murton and Cabrera would fill the corner outfield positions), correct?

[goonys evil twin]

That's definitely an interesting scenario. It would be like the Yankees taking on Lidle to get Abreu. If Pavano can come back healthy in 2007 that deal alone would fill two holes in the team. Unless I missed something, the Cubs would still need a CF (I'm assuming Murton and Cabrera would fill the corner outfield positions), correct?

 

Correct, I'm thinking a stopgap type in center, maybe a guy like Cruz Jr. or somebody they can get for $2-4m.

[Laura]

http://danshanoff.blogspot.com/

 

This is the blog of the guy that used to write the daily quickie. No real news here, but as a Yankee fan, I thought this was interesting:

 

And you have to believe that A-Rod is as good as gone. The question is: Who wants him? And how much of his salary will the Yankees have to eat to get rid of him? I still like my brother's idea to send him to the Cubs for Aramis Ramirez.

 

Straight up? I think I'd have to go for that.

 

Apparently there was some talk (not rumor) of trading A-Rod for Aramis & Wood, assuming both would be re-signed.

 

Part of the rationale as explained to me was that the NYY would prefer to trade him to the NL and someplace that ARod would find acceptable. Since Cubs fans will cheer for anything and love anyone, he would like it here. NYY get a replacement 3Bman, perhaps some Rivera insurance next year and the possibility of Wood rebounding enough to start in the future. Cubs get one of the best players in baseball (despite his non-clutchiness) which could make the difference in a putrid division like the NL Central.

[CubFanPhilly]

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Apparently there was some talk (not rumor) of trading A-Rod for Aramis & Wood, assuming both would be re-signed.

 

Part of the rationale as explained to me was that the NYY would prefer to trade him to the NL and someplace that ARod would find acceptable. Since Cubs fans will cheer for anything and love anyone, he would like it here. NYY get a replacement 3Bman, perhaps some Rivera insurance next year and the possibility of Wood rebounding enough to start in the future. Cubs get one of the best players in baseball (despite his non-clutchiness) which could make the difference in a putrid division like the NL Central.

 

Make the Yankees take Izturis and consider it done. Sign Soriano, C. Lee and Zito. Play Moore at 3B, Jones to CF until Pie's ready.

[CuseCubFan69]

http://danshanoff.blogspot.com/

 

This is the blog of the guy that used to write the daily quickie. No real news here, but as a Yankee fan, I thought this was interesting:

 

And you have to believe that A-Rod is as good as gone. The question is: Who wants him? And how much of his salary will the Yankees have to eat to get rid of him? I still like my brother's idea to send him to the Cubs for Aramis Ramirez.

 

Straight up? I think I'd have to go for that.

 

Apparently there was some talk (not rumor) of trading A-Rod for Aramis & Wood, assuming both would be re-signed.

 

Part of the rationale as explained to me was that the NYY would prefer to trade him to the NL and someplace that ARod would find acceptable. Since Cubs fans will cheer for anything and love anyone, he would like it here. NYY get a replacement 3Bman, perhaps some Rivera insurance next year and the possibility of Wood rebounding enough to start in the future. Cubs get one of the best players in baseball (despite his non-clutchiness) which could make the difference in a putrid division like the NL Central.

 

I don't see why Ramirez wouldn't just sign with the Yanks and then have the Yanks trade ARod and help his new team get better?

[mhuber92211]

well ESPN Radio this morning mentioned the Cubs second as a team for A-Rod right after the Angels. In all reality the Angels would have the inside track if they offered Dallas McPherson and Ervin Santana. If i were the Angels I would look very hard at that deal and then suggest Casey Kotchman instead of Dallas and then make the deal (The Yanks wouldn't go for it).