Cards to reduce payroll over the winter?

[The Voice of Reason]

In addition to "budget constraints," it's too bad the Cards also don't have "brain trust constraints" like MacPhail, Hendry and Baker.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/446272p-375711c.html

 

But the $20 million the Yankees were willing to absorb on Abreu was entirely out of the question for the Cardinals as was even the $6 million Green would have cost them. Jocketty will only say he has "budget constraints," but the fact is, Cardinal ownership is on the hook for $340 million in out-of-pocket construction costs on the new Busch Stadium, which is nevertheless sold out just about every game. At a shade under $90 million, Jocketty isn't being allowed to add to his payroll and, chances are, he will have to even reduce it over the winter. You can be certain that even though the Mets and Yankees are doling out twice as much as the Cardinals for their new stadiums, there will no similar constraints on their GMs.

[SouthSideRyan]

If true, this is going to make Cards fans very angry. I believe a big push for the stadium came from ownership saying the new stadium would help them increase payroll to keep up with the top payroll teams.

[dalgreen]

If true, this is going to make Cards fans very angry. I believe a big push for the stadium came from ownership saying the new stadium would help them increase payroll to keep up with the top payroll teams.

 

Ownership was saying that thinking it would be publicly financed. I don't think the $340 million includes the ballpark village that they are also paying for. Personally, I hope their payroll gets cut. But, then again, that would just again show how much better Jocketty is then Hendry since they'll probably still be contending for the NL Central even if their payroll were trimmed to $75 million. :x I still think the current ownership will sell the Cardinals within another 5-7 years.

[ToupeeOnFire]

What a shame, what a damn shame.

 

Of course, if the Cubs prove anything, payroll doesn't mean much if the guys upstairs have no clue.

[PujolsPower]

For what it is worth, that was an opinion piece written by a NY writer that didn't speak to anyone related to the team. He had no basis for his comments about lowering payroll next year. It has gotten a rise out of a lot of Cardinal fans though.

[wolf stansson]

In an article in the stl post-dispatch that is due to be up tomorrow, owner Bill DeWitt said this:

Here's a teaser ... from a story Goold wrote tonight and will be online later (and in the paper tomorrow):

 

(DeWitt) declined to guarantee the payroll would rise for 2007, but said he didn’t think it would drop and that there will be "plenty of money to do what is necessary" this winter.

 

In the story, GM Walt Jocketty put the onus on the players, saying they had a couple of underachievers who need to do better (wouldn't name names).

 

I wonder how that will play in the clubhouse tomorrow. :wink:

 

And DeWitt launches into the usual aggressive defense of the payroll while also suggesting the players have underperformed.

 

Such a happy organization.

 

--B

 

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=386172

 

Somewhere around 18 mil is coming off the books. We have one starter signed other than Reyes and Wainright (Carpenter), no 2b, a 10 mil option w/a 3 mil buy out on Edmonds, and a myriad of mediocre relievers.

[SouthSideRyan]

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In the story, GM Walt Jocketty put the onus on the players, saying they had a couple of underachievers who need to do better (wouldn't name names).

 

I wonder how that will play in the clubhouse tomorrow. :wink:

 

And DeWitt launches into the usual aggressive defense of the payroll while also suggesting the players have underperformed.

 

 

 

Quick disclaimer: I think Jocketty's a great GM, and would love to have him in charge of the Cubs.

 

But doesn't saying the players have underperformed and calling them underachievers really make him look like the fool here?

[goonys evil twin]

But doesn't saying the players have underperformed and calling them underachievers really make him look like the fool here?

 

A GM who whines about player underperformance is probably just guilty of poor planning.

 

 

I'm talking to you Jim Hendry.

[wolf stansson]

I think Jocketty has done a terrible job this year. He has had the core of Rolen, Pujols, Edmonds, and Carpenter so hasn't had to much retooling. Instead of actually making good moves, he's gambled with underperforming bandaid's and it's not biting him in the ass.

 

For those who have forgotten, Walt Jocketty's acquisitions: Sidney Ponson, Junior Spivey, Timo Perez, Jeff Weaver, Preston Wilson, Larry Bigbie and Aaron Miles. Let me know if I left any crappy bandaid acquisitions out of my list.

 

 

Lame.

Those aren't moves that win you a championship. Who knows how many years are left in the window of opportunity for the Pujols/Rolen/Carpenter core?

[bhogg]

If I'm a St Louis resident, the new stadium definitely pisses me off. I don't understand how the new stadium can create much more (if any) revenue. There are quite a few less seats in the new stadium. Consequently, the locals bought up a bunch of the season tickets. That's bad enough for the team's revenues, but it hurts the city, too. With the locals buying up the season tickets, there are thousands less out of towners roaming the streets of SL, buying up hotel rooms, eating the food, buying the gate way arch souveniers, etc, etc, etc.

 

 

The folks I talked to in St Louis (in June) weren't all that happy about it. Their fear was that the first time the cardinals have a "bad" year, the bandwagoners would jump ship and they wouldn't be able to give away tickets.

[Soriano12]

. Instead of actually making good moves, he's gambled with underperforming bandaid's

 

Thats a very Hendry-like philosopny.

:lol:

[baseball7897]

. Instead of actually making good moves, he's gambled with underperforming bandaid's

 

Thats a very Hendry-like philosopny.

:lol:

 

The most successful GM's, are the ones who take the most risk's.

[RationalSoxFan]

. Instead of actually making good moves, he's gambled with underperforming bandaid's

 

Thats a very Hendry-like philosopny.

:lol:

 

The most successful GM's, are the ones who take the most risk's.

Care to elaborate?

[Soriano12]

. Instead of actually making good moves, he's gambled with underperforming bandaid's

 

Thats a very Hendry-like philosopny.

:lol:

 

The most successful GM's, are the ones who take the most risk's.

 

:roll:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

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[Andy]

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[Drew Doughty]

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i agree

[stitchface]

I think Jocketty has done a terrible job this year. He has had the core of Rolen, Pujols, Edmonds, and Carpenter so hasn't had to much retooling. Instead of actually making good moves, he's gambled with underperforming bandaid's and it's not biting him in the ass.

 

For those who have forgotten, Walt Jocketty's acquisitions: Sidney Ponson, Junior Spivey, Timo Perez, Jeff Weaver, Preston Wilson, Larry Bigbie and Aaron Miles. Let me know if I left any crappy bandaid acquisitions out of my list.

 

 

Lame.

Those aren't moves that win you a championship. Who knows how many years are left in the window of opportunity for the Pujols/Rolen/Carpenter core?

 

those moves smack of playoff failure panic. boy, if we just had one more guy to make outs . . .

[Banedon]

. Instead of actually making good moves, he's gambled with underperforming bandaid's

 

Thats a very Hendry-like philosopny.

:lol:

 

The most successful GM's, are the ones who take the most risk's.

 

But not just ANY risk! I could get to work faster by driving the wrong way down a one way street, but that's a risk that doesn't have a high enough reward for me to take. They chances that crappy players will stop being crappy players when they come to a certain team, is probably not a risk vs reward winner. The risks worth taking are things like a historically good pitcher coming off of surgery (Carpenter), or trading a 1b prospect for an up and coming slugger (D Lee), and both GM's have done a good job of that in some instances, but they've taken far far to many risks that just didn't have the payoff potential.

[goonys evil twin]

. Instead of actually making good moves, he's gambled with underperforming bandaid's

 

Thats a very Hendry-like philosopny.

:lol:

 

The most successful GM's, are the ones who take the most risk's.

 

The most successful GM's are the ones who get the most guaranteed production by limiting risk and staying away from disasters. You give your team the best chance to win by making the smartest moves, not by putting your life savings on the lottery.

[baseball7897]

petition to ban rolleyes plz

Worked well there, I thought.

 

Talking to a couple of guys who are around Gm's everyday, they tell me that to be successful, you have to take risk's. Risk's as in signing players like Dempster, Miller, Carpenter, etc. Guys who are coming off arm injuries, are a risk. I dont know what is so hard to understand. A good example of this, is Kerry Wood. Some GM is going to take a RISK on him. No gurantee he will stay healthy, but there is always that chance he will stay healthy. That is considered a risk.

Edited August 28, 2006 by baseball7897

[Andy]

petition to ban rolleyes plz

Worked well there, I thought.

 

Talking to a couple of guys who are around Gm's everyday, they tell me that to be successful, you have to take risk's. Risk's as in signing players like Dempster, Miller, Carpenter, etc. Guys who are coming off arm injuries, are a risk. I dont know what is so around to understand. A good example of this, is Kerry Wood. Some GM is going to take a RISK on him. No gurantee he will stay healthy, but there is always that chance he will stay healthy. That is considered a risk.

Those risks are not the problem. It's the Rusch's, the Bynum's, the Neifi's and the Macias's that are the risks that should not EVER be taken.

[goonys evil twin]

petition to ban rolleyes plz

Worked well there, I thought.

 

Talking to a couple of guys who are around Gm's everyday, they tell me that to be successful, you have to take risk's. Risk's as in signing players like Dempster, Miller, Carpenter, etc. Guys who are coming off arm injuries, are a risk. I dont know what is so around to understand. A good example of this, is Kerry Wood. Some GM is going to take a RISK on him. No gurantee he will stay healthy, but there is always that chance he will stay healthy. That is considered a risk.

 

Nobody said you can't take a risk. What was wrong was your claim that the best GMs are the ones that take the most risks. Every team takes a certain amount of risk. More risks does not equal greater success. If it did, it would be pretty easy to fix your team, just take more risks.

 

Successful GMs build a significant amount of predictable production, and spice it up with some risks. But they don't put the hopes of the team on the shoulders of the most risky players.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

petition to ban rolleyes plz

Worked well there, I thought.

 

I don't agree at all with the opinion either, but rolleyes as a response is stupid and immature, some might even interpret it worse than that. This is just part of the campaign though. Rolleyes doesn't do anything except aggravate people, hence my desire to see him eliminated.

[Catman61]

In addition to "budget constraints," it's too bad the Cards also don't have "brain trust constraints" like MacPhail, Hendry and Baker.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/446272p-375711c.html

 

But the $20 million the Yankees were willing to absorb on Abreu was entirely out of the question for the Cardinals as was even the $6 million Green would have cost them. Jocketty will only say he has "budget constraints," but the fact is, Cardinal ownership is on the hook for $340 million in out-of-pocket construction costs on the new Busch Stadium, which is nevertheless sold out just about every game. At a shade under $90 million, Jocketty isn't being allowed to add to his payroll and, chances are, he will have to even reduce it over the winter. You can be certain that even though the Mets and Yankees are doling out twice as much as the Cardinals for their new stadiums, there will no similar constraints on their GMs.

 

 

Considering the source of this story (NY Daily News) has a unenviable record of not only inaccurate but VERY inaccurate reporting concerning MLB, you'll have to pardon me if I think this "report" isn't worthy of much more than lining the bottom of the birdcage.

Edited August 29, 2006 by Catman61