Cedeno stinks and stinks hard

[Sammy Sofa]

Really, he is not impressive at all. Sure, he's had fits and spurts of quality over the last 2 years, but overall in his young career he's kind of, well, not good.

 

Yeah, yeah, I know he's young...but really, what is he consistently showing that makes anyone think he should be a starter on this team in any capacity next year? His flashy defensive plays every so often? Great, yet another Neifi/Izturis in training....

 

Cedeno is not a major league ball player, not even close. If he's starting next year, I just may plotz.

Edited August 22, 2006 by Sammy Sofa

[Soriano12]

Cedeno swung and missed at a ball so bad last night..It reminded me of David Spade in "Benchwarmers" It was that bad.

[jjgman21]

Cedeno's stats in this his 23rd year on the planet and first full year in the majors at a time when he is in another slump and shortly after changing positions

 

.273/.335/.608

21 errors

 

this year's elected All-Star shortstop (not that he isn't overrated) in his 22nd year on the planet and 2.5 years of ML experience

 

.300/.386/.686

18 errors.

 

I don't like his walk rate, but give the kid a break. he could be a flop, he might be the next Omar Vizquel.

[USSoccer]

Cedeno's stats in this his 23rd year on the planet and first full year in the majors at a time when he is in another slump and shortly after changing positions

 

.273/.335/.608

21 errors

 

this year's elected All-Star shortstop (not that he isn't overrated) in his 22nd year on the planet and 2.5 years of ML experience

 

.300/.386/.686

18 errors.

 

I don't like his walk rate, but give the kid a break. he could be a flop, he might be the next Omar Vizquel.

 

That stat line cannot be right. He doesn't have an OBP above .300.

[Wilson A2000]

Cedeno this year

 

AVG .248 | HR 5 | RBI 31 | OBP .273 | SLG .335

[CubColtPacer]

Cedeno's stats in this his 23rd year on the planet and first full year in the majors at a time when he is in another slump and shortly after changing positions

 

.273/.335/.608

21 errors

 

this year's elected All-Star shortstop (not that he isn't overrated) in his 22nd year on the planet and 2.5 years of ML experience

 

.300/.386/.686

18 errors.

 

I don't like his walk rate, but give the kid a break. he could be a flop, he might be the next Omar Vizquel.

 

That stat line cannot be right. He doesn't have an OBP above .300.

 

Yeah, I was confused by that for a minute also..and then realized he was putting it down as OBP/SLG/OPS.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Cedeno's stats in this his 23rd year on the planet and first full year in the majors at a time when he is in another slump and shortly after changing positions

 

.273/.335/.608

21 errors

 

this year's elected All-Star shortstop (not that he isn't overrated) in his 22nd year on the planet and 2.5 years of ML experience

 

.300/.386/.686

18 errors.

 

I don't like his walk rate, but give the kid a break. he could be a flop, he might be the next Omar Vizquel.

 

That stat line cannot be right. He doesn't have an OBP above .300.

 

It's OBP/SLG/OPS

[jjgman21]

Cedeno's stats in this his 23rd year on the planet and first full year in the majors at a time when he is in another slump and shortly after changing positions

 

.273/.335/.608

21 errors

 

this year's elected All-Star shortstop (not that he isn't overrated) in his 22nd year on the planet and 2.5 years of ML experience

 

.300/.386/.686

18 errors.

 

I don't like his walk rate, but give the kid a break. he could be a flop, he might be the next Omar Vizquel.

 

That stat line cannot be right. He doesn't have an OBP above .300.

 

haha. shows how bad they both are/were early in their career. that's OBP/SLG/OPS

[Soriano12]

I'm not ready to give up on Cedeno yet.

 

But I'm also not ready to pencil him in everyday at 2B

for next year either.

[badger1679666666]

I'm not ready to give up on Cedeno yet.

 

But I'm also not ready to pencil him in everyday at 2B

for next year either.

 

With his production he CAN'T be our 2B next year. Not if Izturis is our SS.

[Soriano12]

I'm not ready to give up on Cedeno yet.

 

But I'm also not ready to pencil him in everyday at 2B

for next year either.

 

With his production he CAN'T be our 2B next year. Not if Izturis is our SS.

 

Well you convinced me..now go convince Mr. Hendry.

[badger1679666666]

I'm not ready to give up on Cedeno yet.

 

But I'm also not ready to pencil him in everyday at 2B

for next year either.

 

With his production he CAN'T be our 2B next year. Not if Izturis is our SS.

 

Well you convinced me..now go convince Mr. Hendry.

 

The stupidity of it all is Cedeno IS Izturis for the league minimum. If hendry didn't have a hard on for Izturis we could have gotten good prospects back from LA and taken the now 7 million freed up from Neifi and Izturis to go into the pot for a legitimate starter/SLG outfielder, offensive 2B.

[neely crenshaw]

i would rather have young and a little stinky(cedeno) than old and stinky(neifi,womack,agonz,izturis?)

we could go back to paying 8-9mil for a ss that doesn't play(nomar)

 

the main prob is that you 95 mil on a roster but still hav eto live with unproven (murton and cedeno) and undertalented (neifi,womack, jones,pierre,izturis,) players. we could probably live with cedeno as our 8th hitter unfortunately we have a roster of 8th hitters!

[C.C.]

than old and stinky(neifi,womack,agonz,izturis?)

 

Izturis is 26 years old...

[SoonerCubFan]

Cedeno's stats in this his 23rd year on the planet and first full year in the majors at a time when he is in another slump and shortly after changing positions

 

.273/.335/.608

21 errors

 

this year's elected All-Star shortstop (not that he isn't overrated) in his 22nd year on the planet and 2.5 years of ML experience

 

.300/.386/.686

18 errors.

 

I don't like his walk rate, but give the kid a break. he could be a flop, he might be the next Omar Vizquel.

 

Good argument, but to me it's not really even these numbers, it's that he's pulled some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen at the MLB level. And that's saying something being a Cub fan for over 35 years.

 

As most said by others, I could live with him at SS and hitting 8th in an otherwise solid lineup, but he AND Izturis both should be in that slot - we can't live with both of them and a weak OF in 2007.

[C.C.]

Good argument, but to me it's not really even these numbers, it's that he's pulled some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen at the MLB level.

 

Agreed! I can't really remember a SS or 2nd basemen that has made so many poor decisions as Cedeno has.

Edited August 22, 2006 by C.C.

[goonys evil twin]

Good argument, but to me it's not really even these numbers, it's that he's pulled some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen at the MLB level.

 

Agreed! I can't really remember a SS or 2nd basemen that has made so many poor choice decisions as Cedeno has.

 

I hope people aren't talking about the throw home. That was the right move, he had Burrell by several steps, the throw was just not a good one.

[Mizzou]

Good argument, but to me it's not really even these numbers, it's that he's pulled some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen at the MLB level.

 

Agreed! I can't really remember a SS or 2nd basemen that has made so many poor choice decisions as Cedeno has.

 

I hope people aren't talking about the throw home. That was the right move, he had Burrell by several steps, the throw was just not a good one.

I disagree that it was the right move. In a scoreless game early on, you should always go for the gauranteed out at first. Especially when the pitcher who can't hit was due up next and would have been the third out.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Cedeno isn't very good. His minor league numbers suggest as much. He had a one-year brief blip of success in Iowa. Yawn. I'd rather go get a Mark Loretta for 2B say, then give the job to Cedeno for 07. He can be a useful utility player since he can play more than one position now, and that's still a meaningful contribution (at league minimum salary).

 

But starter? I don't think so. As someone else mentioned, not with Izturis already penciled into the lineup.

[Jehrico]

Cedeno isn't very good. His minor league numbers suggest as much. He had a one-year brief blip of success in Iowa. Yawn. I'd rather go get a Mark Loretta for 2B say, then give the job to Cedeno for 07. He can be a useful utility player since he can play more than one position now, and that's still a meaningful contribution (at league minimum salary).

 

But starter? I don't think so. As someone else mentioned, not with Izturis already penciled into the lineup.

 

The light seemed to turn on for Cedeno offensively a month or so in at AA. He was solid there, and even better at AAA. He was good for us during his brief time last year, and again the first month of this season this year. Maybe I'm your prototypical naive, optimistic Cubs fan, but I think the problem might be the coaching. We all know how Dusty and Clines tried to mess with Murton's approach, because he wasn't "aggressive" enough. Look at Ronny's walk rates throughout his career. He's always been good for around .40-.50 points difference between his average and his OBP due to walks, even during his brief stint last fall. Now, after having been up with this coaching staff, he's sitting at just over half of his normal walk rate. Regardless of the acclimitization to the new level of competition, patience (or better put, walk rates) is one of the most predictive abilities to carry over from the minors to the majors. I truly believe if we get a good, OBP oriented coach next year, he'll rebound offensively in a big way.

 

That said, I don't want to see him and Izturis on the field together. Trade Izturis, move Ronny back to SS, and pick up a good bat at 2nd (I like the Loretta recommendation).

Edited August 22, 2006 by Jehrico

[Sammy Sofa]

Even Neifi can and has "turned it on" offensively for brief stretches. Cedeno just hasn't really done anything as a whole that shows he'd be more useful than as a backup player at the very best. Maybe if this team was better you could stomach it and bury him at the bottom of the lineup, but as it stands in reality, he's showing little to nothing that indicates he can be starting for this team next year.

[abuck1220]

Good argument, but to me it's not really even these numbers, it's that he's pulled some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen at the MLB level.

 

Agreed! I can't really remember a SS or 2nd basemen that has made so many poor choice decisions as Cedeno has.

 

I hope people aren't talking about the throw home. That was the right move, he had Burrell by several steps, the throw was just not a good one.

I disagree that it was the right move. In a scoreless game early on, you should always go for the gauranteed out at first. Especially when the pitcher who can't hit was due up next and would have been the third out.

 

yeah, i think that was a horrible decision. take the out at first, strike out lieber, let them have their one run.

 

if i had to pick one guy to keep between murton and cedeno, i'd take murton.

[goonys evil twin]

Even Neifi can and has "turned it on" offensively for brief stretches. Cedeno just hasn't really done anything as a whole that shows he'd be more useful than as a backup player at the very best. Maybe if this team was better you could stomach it and bury him at the bottom of the lineup, but as it stands in reality, he's showing little to nothing that indicates he can be starting for this team next year.

 

I disagree that he hasn't done anything to show he'd be able to start. His 2005 happened. You can't just ignore it. He was great in AAA, at 22, and solid in the majors, again, at 22. He's been disappointing this year. But anybody who thought it was going to be a straight line upward just wasn't being realistic. This is why I was so dead set against going into this season with the lineup as weak as it was and Murton and Cedeno starting together. You had to expect struggles. The odds are in his favor for improving over the next couple of years. Cesar Izturis had a 52 and 61 OPS+ at 22 and 23. Everybody seems to be willing to pencil him in as starter but unwilling to give Ronny a shot. This makes no sense to me. I'd much rather go with Cedeno than Izturis. Neither is going to be all that good next year, but one does it for next to nothing.

 

If you are going to successfully introduce young players to the lineup, you have to do it smart. You have to surround them with good teammates, put them in a position where they don't need to be great, and put up with prolonged struggles.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm sorry, I just don't see anything that indicates that his poor playing is the stuff where he's a "fluke" or "slumping" and his good periods were the indication of an eventual norm. Even when he was "good" he was still hacking away at the plate...he looks lost up there, even when he comes through.

[goonys evil twin]

Good argument, but to me it's not really even these numbers, it's that he's pulled some of the most boneheaded plays I've ever seen at the MLB level.

 

Agreed! I can't really remember a SS or 2nd basemen that has made so many poor choice decisions as Cedeno has.

 

I hope people aren't talking about the throw home. That was the right move, he had Burrell by several steps, the throw was just not a good one.

I disagree that it was the right move. In a scoreless game early on, you should always go for the gauranteed out at first. Especially when the pitcher who can't hit was due up next and would have been the third out.

 

yeah, i think that was a horrible decision. take the out at first, strike out lieber, let them have their one run.

 

if i had to pick one guy to keep between murton and cedeno, i'd take murton.

 

I don't believe that was a sure out at first.

 

But I thought there were no outs at the time. If there was one with Lieber on deck than yes, he should have gone to first. But his momentum was taking him away from first and he had Burrell by a couple steps. It was more execution than decision making.