08/18 St. Louis (Marquis) @ CUBS (Marmol) 1:20 CDT, CSN TV

[gflore34]

Marmol and Guzman are not one in the same. Marmol is relatively new to pitching and needs to build up innings before anything can be expected of him. Guzman needs to pitch in the majors so the Cubs can find out what he has to offer.

 

I'm well aware of the differences. However, both are rookies with limited experience in the big leagues. The Cubs are going to get inconsistent outings from both at this point; neither is a guarantee to go out there and pitch 6 good innings.

 

However, if we go into next season with a rotation of Z-Schmidt or Zito-Prior-Young Guy #1-Young Guy #2, I'm not liking the Cubs' chances. Health problems could inevitably lead to one or two more rookie SPs coming into the rotation at some point. I like the potential and the depth the Cubs have at SP right now, but we don't know what to expect out of those young guys in terms of consistency.

 

Getting a halfway decent #3/#4 guy along with some one like Zito or Schmidt would go a long, long way. While the offense has had its share of problems, getting a strong pitching staff would make life a lot easier for everyone involved.

 

I wasn't addressing your idea about acquiring 2 arms. I was just refuting the insinuation that they were the same player. Guzman should be starting now to get past that "he's an inconsistent rookie" phase as quickly as possible. There's a chance he could be a solid starter next year. Marmol doesn't really stand much of a chance to be a good starter in 2007.

 

Which makes perfect sense to someone who knew what he was doing however, when a team has Dusty Baker for a Manager...

[PrimeTime]

ARAM!!!!!

[soapy]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

 

4-3

[ToupeeOnFire]

Aramabamadingdong!

[Outshined_One]

I wasn't addressing your idea about acquiring 2 arms.

 

I know you weren't, but I was killing two birds with one stone. :P

 

I was just refuting the insinuation that they were the same player. Guzman should be starting now to get past that "he's an inconsistent rookie" phase as quickly as possible. There's a chance he could be a solid starter next year. Marmol doesn't really stand much of a chance to be a good starter in 2007.

 

I think what was critical for Guzman this season was for him to pitch a full season without sustaining any season-ending arm injuries. He's already over the 100 inning mark; it's clear the Cubs have been babying him all season due to his recent troubles. I can understand why the Cubs have yo-yo'd him. They want to keep an eye on his pitch count, which can easily be done down in AAA. Let's face it, Mike Quade's not sitting on any hot seats and won't be likely to make his starters throw 150 pitches in an outing because the starters "felt fine".

 

I think Marmol has a good chance of becoming an effective starter in 2007. He's shown potential and has some good major league outings under his belt. Give him some more time and development; he'll be fine.

[macuser2]

As to why Dusty batted Marmol just before he took him oout of the game, my theory is that Dusty's hat is lined with tinfoil and the CIA, which is secretly located under Busch Stadium, is sending him gamma rays controlling his managerial moves.

 

Say, didn't a federal judge just rule that such things violated the consitution?

 

:lol:

[Garwilly]

Apparently with DirecTV, I can watch CSN...except for Cubs games.

 

Okay then.

 

Can you please elaborate on this?

 

I am about to get Directv, I will then add on the Sportspack, so that I get CSN (for Cub games)

 

What is the status?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why is Novoa hitting?

[Outshined_One]

Apparently with DirecTV, I can watch CSN...except for Cubs games.

 

Okay then.

 

Can you please elaborate on this?

 

I am about to get Directv, I will then add on the Sportspack, so that I get CSN (for Cub games)

 

What is the status?

 

I left the details of it all to my housemate. I think we just got NFL Sunday Ticket and the Movie Package...that's about it.

[cjbucks]

Why is Novoa hitting?

 

 

As to why Dusty batted Marmol just before he took him oout of the game, my theory is that Dusty's hat is lined with tinfoil and the CIA, which is secretly located under Busch Stadium, is sending him gamma rays controlling his managerial moves.

[YearofDaCubs]

Is signing Schmidt really a good move for the Cubs? He's getting up there in years and he could break any minute. He still is good but I'm sure he is looking for at least a 3 year deal and to me that's a big risk. Hendry is a fool for not properly making the right moves when he could have and now I really believe there is nothing he can do to get up respectable again next season. I'm hoping I'm wrong but I just don't see it.

[Jim Ignatowski]

As to why Dusty batted Marmol just before he took him oout of the game, my theory is that Dusty's hat is lined with tinfoil and the CIA, which is secretly located under Busch Stadium, is sending him gamma rays controlling his managerial moves.

 

Say, didn't a federal judge just rule that such things violated the consitution?

 

:lol:

 

 

No her ruling (which has already been stayed by the 6th Circuit) only applied to terrorists, not baseball managers. So, the CIA can still control Dusty's mind, but just can't try to catch terrorists.

[goonys evil twin]

This Izturis kid shows a lot of promise.

[Dr. Cub]

This Izturis kid shows a lot of promise.

 

Sometimes sarcasm is difficult to pick up with the written word. Other times, not so much.

[CubColtPacer]

There is the old Cardinal effect..join the Cardinals and within an hour you become a much better hitter.

[Rusch33]

5-3 St. Louis.

 

Homerun by Wilson.

[Schwarber Fan]

well guys, we better get ready for Wilson in LF next year, 2-3 is probably inpressing Jim.

[Outshined_One]

Is signing Schmidt really a good move for the Cubs? He's getting up there in years and he could break any minute. He still is good but I'm sure he is looking for at least a 3 year deal and to me that's a big risk. Hendry is a fool for not properly making the right moves when he could have and now I really believe there is nothing he can do to get up respectable again next season. I'm hoping I'm wrong but I just don't see it.

 

The free agent market for pitchers gets really dicey once you get past Schmidt and Zito. I like Schmidt and hope he can get back to his Cy Young form if he ends up with the Cubs, but I agree, there's enough about him that gives me pause.

 

If the Cubs can swing a trade for a better SP, I'd be all for it. But who might be available that'd be worth the price in prospects?

[Dr. Cub]

Why is Novoa hitting?

 

He apparently had more hits to give up.

[Rusch33]

6-3 St. Louis.

 

Homerun by Bennett.

 

Novoa showing signs of himself.

[Schwarber Fan]

Here's a stat for you:

 

That's the 2nd straight year a Cardinals catcher hit his 1st of the year against the Cubs at Wrigley. Can anyone name last year's catcher?

[cjbucks]

As to why Dusty batted Marmol just before he took him oout of the game, my theory is that Dusty's hat is lined with tinfoil and the CIA, which is secretly located under Busch Stadium, is sending him gamma rays controlling his managerial moves.

 

Say, didn't a federal judge just rule that such things violated the consitution?

 

:lol:

 

 

No her ruling (which has already been stayed by the 6th Circuit) only applied to terrorists, not baseball managers. So, the CIA can still control Dusty's mind, but just can't try to catch terrorists.

 

 

I don't know - Dusty has terrorized most of us for a while :wink:

[Outshined_One]

Here's a stat for you:

 

That's the 2nd straight year a Cardinals catcher hit his 1st of the year against the Cubs at Wrigley. Can anyone name last year's catcher?

 

One of the Flying Molina Brothers?

Edited August 18, 2006 by Outshined_One

[Schwarber Fan]

Here's a stat for you:

 

That's the 2nd straight year a Cardinals catcher hit his 1st of the year against the Cubs at Wrigley. Can anyone name last year's catcher?

 

One of the Flying Molinas Brothers?

 

nope, try again

[Drew Doughty]

Here's a stat for you:

 

That's the 2nd straight year a Cardinals catcher hit his 1st of the year against the Cubs at Wrigley. Can anyone name last year's catcher?

 

One of the Flying Molinas Brothers?

 

Mike Mahoney I'm betting