Girardi and Marlins Management Feud?

[Banedon]

The fact that the Cubs source would even say a word about a search for a possible replacement to Dusty should mean good things for those who were worried when Hendry said that he wouldn't be fired this season, fearing he was going to extend him. You don't talk about a potential search if you may extend your manager-at least that's very unlikely.

 

This thought crossed my mind as well.

 

Was he saying "we aren't in that mode" about trading prospects for a manager?

 

Hmmm...that quote seemed clear when I first read it...now it looks a bit more vague. Stupid rosy glasses.

[goonys evil twin]

The fact that the Cubs source would even say a word about a search for a possible replacement to Dusty should mean good things for those who were worried when Hendry said that he wouldn't be fired this season, fearing he was going to extend him. You don't talk about a potential search if you may extend your manager-at least that's very unlikely.

 

This thought crossed my mind as well.

 

Was he saying "we aren't in that mode" about trading prospects for a manager?

 

Hmmm...that quote seemed clear when I first read it...now it looks a bit more vague. Stupid rosy glasses.

 

The writer presented it so as to clearly make a connection between the two, but who knows what question he actually asked to elicit that answer. Even if the question was "Have you considered trading prospects for Joe Girardi", he could have issued that answer as a direct response to the idea of a trade, or a more general notion of not looking at anybody else right now.

[texascub]

How much would Girardi really cost in a trade? When the Mariners allowed Piniella to go to Tampa Bay, it cost the Rays Randy Winn and they received a minor league SS in the deal too. Basically that's like giving up Angel Pagan to the Cubs...is that price really too high?

[CuseCubFan69]

How much would Girardi really cost in a trade? When the Mariners allowed Piniella to go to Tampa Bay, it cost the Rays Randy Winn and they received a minor league SS in the deal too. Basically that's like giving up Angel Pagan to the Cubs...is that price really too high?

 

Maybe the Cubs can send them Perez?

[goonys evil twin]

How much would Girardi really cost in a trade? When the Mariners allowed Piniella to go to Tampa Bay, it cost the Rays Randy Winn and they received a minor league SS in the deal too. Basically that's like giving up Angel Pagan to the Cubs...is that price really too high?

 

Randy Winn was not chump change. He had a 117 OPS+ that season, hitting .298/.360/.461 in 675 PA.

[Banedon]

How much would Girardi really cost in a trade? When the Mariners allowed Piniella to go to Tampa Bay, it cost the Rays Randy Winn and they received a minor league SS in the deal too. Basically that's like giving up Angel Pagan to the Cubs...is that price really too high?

 

Randy Winn was not chump change. He had a 117 OPS+ that season, hitting .298/.360/.461 in 675 PA.

 

But look how much Piniella brought to that team.....

 

 

*crickets*

[Banedon]

Well Joe pretty much put an end to this speculation....

 

"If there was tension between Jeffrey and I, he wouldn't be here," said Girardi, in his first year as a major-league manager. "I'm still the Marlins' manager and I plan on being the Marlins' manager for a long time.

 

"People like to speculate that I am going to Chicago. If I was going to Chicago, I wouldn't have sold my house. ... I don't have a house there. I sold my house. My kids are enrolled in school in South Florida. I love jumping in my pool every day. It's a nice life. ... There are no outs. I signed a three-year deal," he said.

[Roast]

Well Joe pretty much put an end to this speculation....

 

"If there was tension between Jeffrey and I, he wouldn't be here," said Girardi, in his first year as a major-league manager. "I'm still the Marlins' manager and I plan on being the Marlins' manager for a long time.

 

"People like to speculate that I am going to Chicago. If I was going to Chicago, I wouldn't have sold my house. ... I don't have a house there. I sold my house. My kids are enrolled in school in South Florida. I love jumping in my pool every day. It's a nice life. ... There are no outs. I signed a three-year deal," he said.

 

Poop.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Well Joe pretty much put an end to this speculation....

 

"If there was tension between Jeffrey and I, he wouldn't be here," said Girardi, in his first year as a major-league manager. "I'm still the Marlins' manager and I plan on being the Marlins' manager for a long time.

 

"People like to speculate that I am going to Chicago. If I was going to Chicago, I wouldn't have sold my house. ... I don't have a house there. I sold my house. My kids are enrolled in school in South Florida. I love jumping in my pool every day. It's a nice life. ... There are no outs. I signed a three-year deal," he said.

 

I think he is trying to squash the rumors now, cause it is VERY distracting for the manager, and the players. My guess, would be this situation is far from being over.

 

Besides would it be THAT hard to buy another house in Chicago? And not to get to womany (is that even a word) but home is where the heart is, and Chicago is still his home, and his heart. So....I' m not saying Girardi isn't ready to leave Florida, but when the Cubs job opens up, watch out for another set of Girardi to Chicago rumors.

[stitchface]

Man, the Marlins are fast becoming something like our major league affiliate. We keep them there until they're on the verge of stardom, and then we get them all.

 

its so embarassing when the affiliates have a better record than you though - in a much much tougher division.

[texascub]

Well Joe pretty much put an end to this speculation....

 

"If there was tension between Jeffrey and I, he wouldn't be here," said Girardi, in his first year as a major-league manager. "I'm still the Marlins' manager and I plan on being the Marlins' manager for a long time.

 

"People like to speculate that I am going to Chicago. If I was going to Chicago, I wouldn't have sold my house. ... I don't have a house there. I sold my house. My kids are enrolled in school in South Florida. I love jumping in my pool every day. It's a nice life. ... There are no outs. I signed a three-year deal," he said.

 

Poop.

 

I could've swore that on ESPN they mentioned something about people in the Marlins' organization were so sure Girardi was gone that they started setting up the press conference. I think this might be something to smooth things out for now, but he'll probably be gone at the end of the year.

[Larry Horse]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_83_4909894,00.html

 

"Girardi has had friends making it known in Chicago that he would like the Cubs job. The Cubs, however, aren't interested."

[CubsInNC]

Girardi was to be fired

 

 

"Everyone is going to write what they think happened. All I know is I'm still the manager of the Florida Marlins and I'm here,'' Girardi said Friday before Florida's game against the Arizona Diamondbacks.

 

Asked if Loria had fired him and changed his mind, Girardi replied: "I'll discuss things at the end of the year. Right now the important thing is our club, and I'm still the manager of the Marlins.''

 

 

Loria, occupying his field-level seat next to the Marlins dugout, was barking at plate umpire Larry Vanover about balls and strikes. Girardi motioned for Loria to stop, one source said, the implication being, "Hey, leave him alone, we're trying to win a game."

 

Loria, according to two sources, then put up two fingers to indicate that it was the second straight game in which umpires made questionable calls. On Saturday, Girardi had been ejected for arguing balls and strikes.

 

"Then Girardi said, 'Just stay out of it. I'm the manager.''" one source said. "And Loria said, 'Well, I'm the owner,' or words to that effect. 'If you don't like what I'm telling you, you're fired.''"

 

Another source said Girardi used profanities when telling Loria to stop, which angered Loria even more.

 

At that point, "Loria got up out of his seat and was preparing to get rid of Joe," one source said. "Jeffrey can be very knee-jerk. Before he was done walking up the aisle, Jeffrey made up his mind to fire Joe right after the game.''

 

 

Sources have told The Palm Beach Post that Girardi, a former New York Yankees catcher and bench coach, and Loria have been at odds since at least last month.

 

"(Girardi) likes to say, 'Well, the Yankees would do things this way,' but they don't want to hear that,'' one source said.

 

A Marlins source confirmed a report Friday in the Rocky Mountain News that said friction between Girardi and the front office began in spring training.

 

Baseball columnist Tracy Ringolsby wrote in the Denver newspaper that "Girardi belittled suggestions by members of the organization in March that Ricky Nolasco and Josh Johnson should open the season in the rotation instead of middle relief ...

 

"It was more than a month before Girardi backed down and gave both opportunities to start, which turned out to be a critical fact as the Marlins rebounded from a miserable start to be competitive.''

 

Sounds like he doesn't like to listen to management, but wants to build a Yankees team part 2.

[Banedon]

Girardi was to be fired

Asked if Loria had fired him and changed his mind, Girardi replied: "I'll discuss things at the end of the year. Right now the important thing is our club, and I'm still the manager of the Marlins.''

 

I think this is the most telling part of the article. That tells me something definitely happened, and I bet Joe is outta there after the season.

[CubinNY]

I don't really want Giardi managing the Cubs. I think he needs more experience. The Marlins aren't the Yankees and neither are the Cubs.

 

I also haven't seen anything that would make me want him to manage the Cubs. Admitedly, I haven't seen the Marlins much.

 

I'd rather have Derkier or Bobby Valentine.

[Banedon]

I don't really want Giardi managing the Cubs. I think he needs more experience. The Marlins aren't the Yankees and neither are the Cubs.

 

I also haven't seen anything that would make me want him to manage the Cubs. Admitedly, I haven't seen the Marlins much.

 

I'd rather have Derkier or Bobby Valentine.

 

Girardi > Baker. That's all I know. I'd be ok with a Girardi hiring. He wouldn't be my ultimate preference, but it'd be better than a Piniella or something like that.

[USSoccer]

I don't really want Giardi managing the Cubs. I think he needs more experience. The Marlins aren't the Yankees and neither are the Cubs.

 

I also haven't seen anything that would make me want him to manage the Cubs. Admitedly, I haven't seen the Marlins much.

 

I'd rather have Derkier or Bobby Valentine.

 

Girardi > Baker.

 

A magic 8 ball bolted to the bench would be better than Baker.

We shouldn't settle for someone just because he would be better than Baker. Baker is so terrible tactically and strategically you would be hard pressed to find a more terrible manager.

[fiver]

 

A Marlins source confirmed a report Friday in the Rocky Mountain News that said friction between Girardi and the front office began in spring training.

 

Baseball columnist Tracy Ringolsby wrote in the Denver newspaper that "Girardi belittled suggestions by members of the organization in March that Ricky Nolasco and Josh Johnson should open the season in the rotation instead of middle relief ...

 

"It was more than a month before Girardi backed down and gave both opportunities to start, which turned out to be a critical fact as the Marlins rebounded from a miserable start to be competitive.''

 

Sounds like he doesn't like to listen to management, but wants to build a Yankees team part 2.

 

Yeah....this snippet certainly makes Girardi out to be the "bad guy" for wanting to start the season with both Johnson and Nolasco in the pen. However, can we know for sure that a few weeks of major league experience in the pen didn't help those two once they were inserted into the rotation? I'm not comfortable that we can truly evaluate this situation based soley upon what a Marlin's "source" or Tracy Ringolsby have said or written. I certainly wouldn't go as far as to say that Girardi wants to build a Yankees team part 2. I'm confident that one would be naive to believe that Girardi cannot discern b/w the financial situation of the Marlins and that of the Yankees. Obviously, different strategies are needed. I'll give Joe a bit more credit for now.

 

I don't really want Giardi managing the Cubs. I think he needs more experience. The Marlins aren't the Yankees and neither are the Cubs.

 

I also haven't seen anything that would make me want him to manage the Cubs. Admitedly, I haven't seen the Marlins much.

 

I'd rather have Derkier or Bobby Valentine.

 

I do agree with CubinNY; I'd like for Girardi to gain more experience before being offerred a job as manager of the Cubs. There are probably better options.

Edited August 12, 2006 by fiver

[Sammy Sofa]

"Experienced" managers haven't done bupkis for the Cubs. At this point, I have no problem given a younger, newer manager a shot just for the sake of trying something different. What else do we have to lose? We're already damn near scraping the bottom and our dignity flew out the window a long time ago. Change it up...

[RynoRules]

"Experienced" managers haven't done bupkis for the Cubs. At this point, I have no problem given a younger, newer manager a shot just for the sake of trying something different. What else do we have to lose? We're already damn near scraping the bottom and our dignity flew out the window a long time ago. Change it up...

 

Yeah, I am not sure why the guy has to be experienced in order to be succesful. In fact, that sounds contradictory to what may on this bd. have argued in the past (calls for Fredi Gonzalez for Atl, for example). He spent years around Torre and Stottlemeyer in NY. That's good enough for me. If his philosophies are sound - and I believe they are - he'd be a great manager.

 

Fire Dusty. Hire Girardi.

[fiver]

"Experienced" managers haven't done bupkis for the Cubs. At this point, I have no problem given a younger, newer manager a shot just for the sake of trying something different. What else do we have to lose? We're already damn near scraping the bottom and our dignity flew out the window a long time ago. Change it up...

 

Yeah, I am not sure why the guy has to be experienced in order to be succesful. In fact, that sounds contradictory to what may on this bd. have argued in the past (calls for Fredi Gonzalez for Atl, for example). He spent years around Torre and Stottlemeyer in NY. That's good enough for me. If his philosophies are sound - and I believe they are - he'd be a great manager.

 

Fire Dusty. Hire Girardi.

 

The guy doesn't have to be experienced to be successful. However, as pseudo-evidence in this thread has suggested, Joe supposedly was against inserting Johnson and Nolasco into the rotation well into the '06 season. He supposedly had to be overruled by high ranking representatives of the Marlin's front office. As I stated earlier, I don't necessarily believe this is true. However, Girardi's managing style is still largely an unknown. Do we want replace Dusty with someone that is equally inept? I don't watch a lot of Marlin's baseball, so I'm not one that can provide expert analysis on his everyday managing ability. If you do watch a lot of Florida ball, then please chime in with why we should hire Girardi.

 

Edit - I'm not sure that "being around Torre and Stottlemeyer" is good enough for me. Dusty was "around" Hank Aarron, yet he is unable to produce a team with much of an offensive prowess.

[soccer10k]

I don't really want Giardi managing the Cubs. I think he needs more experience. The Marlins aren't the Yankees and neither are the Cubs.

 

I also haven't seen anything that would make me want him to manage the Cubs. Admitedly, I haven't seen the Marlins much.

 

I'd rather have Derkier or Bobby Valentine.

 

If you're talking payroll, the Cubs are much closer to the Yankees than the Marlins are.

 

As for Girardi, all he's done is guide a team that started a ton of rookies and had a $15 million dollar payroll to third place in the NL East and a 54-61 record. I understand that the record doesn't sound like anything special but that team was expected to have one of the worst records in the major leagues this year.

 

I would take Girardi.

[CubinNY]

I don't really want Giardi managing the Cubs. I think he needs more experience. The Marlins aren't the Yankees and neither are the Cubs.

 

I also haven't seen anything that would make me want him to manage the Cubs. Admitedly, I haven't seen the Marlins much.

 

I'd rather have Derkier or Bobby Valentine.

 

If you're talking payroll, the Cubs are much closer to the Yankees than the Marlins are.

 

As for Girardi, all he's done is guide a team that started a ton of rookies and had a $15 million dollar payroll to third place in the NL East and a 54-61 record. I understand that the record doesn't sound like anything special but that team was expected to have one of the worst records in the major leagues this year.

 

I would take Girardi.

 

Talent wins managers do not. All a manger can do is place his team in the best postion to win.

 

From what I've seen Joe likes to waste outs. He's criticized his best every-day player on multiple occasions for "not hustling" even though this player is putting up spactacular numbers.

 

The Cubs are much closer to the Yankees for sure. But that's is like saying that the bag boy at Krogers is much closer to being a millionare than the guy who is cashing in cans to buy a bottle of Thunderbird.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

I would say when Giardi says "the Yankee way" he is talking about doing things right. I believe it is the same as saying "the Oriole way" back in the days of Earl Weaver. If that means playing baseball the right way, I am all for that. I could live happily with 25 bad children if they played the game the right way, betting that all of you could too.

 

As far as getting on your best player for dogging it despite the stats they are putting up; Sosa, Bonds, any other over paid Princess anyone? If Girardi believes in playing the game right there is only one way to play, the right way. Cabrera may think he is a horses rear, but 20 or so other guys on that roster respect Giardi for that.

[RynoRules]

I don't really want Giardi managing the Cubs. I think he needs more experience. The Marlins aren't the Yankees and neither are the Cubs.

 

I also haven't seen anything that would make me want him to manage the Cubs. Admitedly, I haven't seen the Marlins much.

 

I'd rather have Derkier or Bobby Valentine.

 

If you're talking payroll, the Cubs are much closer to the Yankees than the Marlins are.

 

As for Girardi, all he's done is guide a team that started a ton of rookies and had a $15 million dollar payroll to third place in the NL East and a 54-61 record. I understand that the record doesn't sound like anything special but that team was expected to have one of the worst records in the major leagues this year.

 

I would take Girardi.

 

Talent wins managers do not. All a manger can do is place his team in the best postion to win.

 

From what I've seen Joe likes to waste outs. He's criticized his best every-day player on multiple occasions for "not hustling" even though this player is putting up spactacular numbers.

 

The Cubs are much closer to the Yankees for sure. But that's is like saying that the bag boy at Krogers is much closer to being a millionare than the guy who is cashing in cans to buy a bottle of Thunderbird.

 

Then its really the GMs fault when a team stinks, no?