7/27 Cards (Jeff Weaver) @ Cubs (Hill); 7:05 pm CT; WGN/ESPN

[gflore34]

I'd like to see Hill go after the hitters as he did at Iowa, I believe part of his struggles to this point have to do with him trying to make the perfect pitch. Let it all hang out Rich, you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[abuck1220]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

[thedaymen]

Wind blowing out to CF? Ouch. Against the Cardinals? Double-ouch. Rich has his work cut out for him. Fortunately, I'm banking that Aramis and Nevin continue their hot power streaks, and each goes yard at least once. Now if the Cubs could only remember what RBI's are...

 

Are we sure Nevin is playing?

 

He did make an out in his ph yesterday, and Mabry had way more pitches per at bat. Can't strike out on one pitch.

[Sammy Sofa]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

[Drew Doughty]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Well, there were two starts where a good offense could have won, but to say that Hill hasn't been mostly at fault in his losses is a little bit of bias against dusty.

[C.C.]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Well, there were two starts where a good offense could have won, but to say that Hill hasn't been mostly at fault in his losses is a little bit of bias against dusty.

 

When you have a ERA of over 9 in 8 starts it's a bit hard to blame the Cubs offense.

[goonys evil twin]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Well, there were two starts where a good offense could have won, but to say that Hill hasn't been mostly at fault in his losses is a little bit of bias against dusty.

 

When you have a ERA of over 9 in 8 starts it's a bit hard to blame the Cubs offense.

 

Giving up 9 isn't any worse than getting shutout.

[Chris]

CUBS are 17-28 at home

 

From the WGN Blog:

 

The Cubs opened their 2006 home schedule with three straight wins over the Cardinals, but they have lost two-thirds of their home games since.

 

Cubs Worst Home Record, All-time

 

1994 20-39 (.339)

2006 17-28 (.378)

1962 32-49 (.395)

1966 32-49 (.395)

1974 32-49 (.395)

[C.C.]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Well, there were two starts where a good offense could have won, but to say that Hill hasn't been mostly at fault in his losses is a little bit of bias against dusty.

 

When you have a ERA of over 9 in 8 starts it's a bit hard to blame the Cubs offense.

 

Giving up 9 isn't any worse than getting shutout.

 

On a personal level it sure is! If you're posting a 9 era you aren't giving your team a chance.

[goonys evil twin]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Well, there were two starts where a good offense could have won, but to say that Hill hasn't been mostly at fault in his losses is a little bit of bias against dusty.

 

When you have a ERA of over 9 in 8 starts it's a bit hard to blame the Cubs offense.

 

Giving up 9 isn't any worse than getting shutout.

 

On a personal level it sure is! If you're posting a 9 era you aren't giving your team a chance.

 

If you are getting shutout you aren't giving your team a chance.

 

Hill is guilty, but he's hardly the only one. Even though Dusty likes to single him out.

[C.C.]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Well, there were two starts where a good offense could have won, but to say that Hill hasn't been mostly at fault in his losses is a little bit of bias against dusty.

 

When you have a ERA of over 9 in 8 starts it's a bit hard to blame the Cubs offense.

 

Giving up 9 isn't any worse than getting shutout.

 

On a personal level it sure is! If you're posting a 9 era you aren't giving your team a chance.

 

If you are getting shutout you aren't giving your team a chance.

 

Hill is guilty, but he's hardly the only one. Even though Dusty likes to single him out.

 

He's certainly not the only one, but I hardly feel like defending someone that doesn't give himself a chance to win. The only defense Hill has is he just needs to have more starts to prove himself. I'd like to see him get the rest of the year and lets see what we have, and tonight is the first step in doing so.

[goonys evil twin]

I'd like to see him get the rest of the year and lets see what we have,

 

That's exactly what should happen.

[Derwood]

I like it when Modzilla starts game threads

[minnesotacubsfan]

Since I'll be in the bleachers look for me to throw a Cub HR ball back out on to the field.

 

Then we'll look for a Cub fan to throw YOU out onto the field

 

:P

[C.C.]

I'd like to see him get the rest of the year and lets see what we have,

 

That's exactly what should happen.

 

That to me is a no-brainer. He's got nothing else to learn or prove in AAA. It's either step it up or step out. Let him take the bump every 5 days...

[abuck1220]

He's certainly not the only one, but I hardly feel like defending someone that doesn't give himself a chance to win. The only defense Hill has is he just needs to have more starts to prove himself. I'd like to see him get the rest of the year and lets see what we have, and tonight is the first step in doing so.

 

which is exactly what you're doing for the offense.

 

hill has not been good in his starts, but baker seems to want to completely blame him for those four losses, when, in fact, zambrano probably would be 0-4 in those games.

 

of course, this is the guy who gave maddux credit the other night when he got banged around just as bad as hill did because maddux got the win (thanks to a bunch of offense), so i shouldn't be surprised.

[soapy]

I'd like to see him get the rest of the year and lets see what we have,

 

That's exactly what should happen.

 

That to me is a no-brainer. He's got nothing else to learn or prove in AAA. It's either step it up or step out. Let him take the bump every 5 days...

The only way Hendry could justify keeping Hill in AAA was if he was trying keep his value somewhat higher because he was going to move him for a bat before the deadline. Since he's starting tonight, I assume that's not the case. He should stay in the rotation for the rest of the season.

[C.C.]

He's certainly not the only one, but I hardly feel like defending someone that doesn't give himself a chance to win. The only defense Hill has is he just needs to have more starts to prove himself. I'd like to see him get the rest of the year and lets see what we have, and tonight is the first step in doing so.

 

which is exactly what you're doing for the offense.

 

hill has not been good in his starts, but baker seems to want to completely blame him for those four losses, when, in fact, zambrano probably would be 0-4 in those games.

 

of course, this is the guy who gave maddux credit the other night when he got banged around just as bad as hill did because maddux got the win (thanks to a bunch of offense), so i shouldn't be surprised.

 

What does the offense have to do with Hill being terrible? Sure if the Cubs offense scored him 8 runs a game he would be 4-0, but it doesn't make him a good pitcher...I'm not saying he's the blame for the cubs loses. I'm saying he didn't help himself by pitching terrible.

[abuck1220]

He's certainly not the only one, but I hardly feel like defending someone that doesn't give himself a chance to win. The only defense Hill has is he just needs to have more starts to prove himself. I'd like to see him get the rest of the year and lets see what we have, and tonight is the first step in doing so.

 

which is exactly what you're doing for the offense.

 

hill has not been good in his starts, but baker seems to want to completely blame him for those four losses, when, in fact, zambrano probably would be 0-4 in those games.

 

of course, this is the guy who gave maddux credit the other night when he got banged around just as bad as hill did because maddux got the win (thanks to a bunch of offense), so i shouldn't be surprised.

 

What does the offense have to do with Hill being terrible?

 

nothing. but it has a lot to do w/ the team being 0-4 in his starts...a fact obviously lost on dusty.

[A New Era]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Ever heard of having a lead boosting the pitcher and giving him more confidence? A few runs could do wonders for Rich Hill. The Cubs haven't helped him much in that department with all this "do or die" talk, and not getting any run support, if abuck is correct.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I like it when Modzilla starts game threads

 

I like it when Derwood doesn't post in my game threads. :evil:

[C.C.]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Ever heard of having a lead boosting the pitcher and giving him more confidence? A few runs could do wonders for Rich Hill. The Cubs haven't helped him much in that department with all this "do or die" talk, and not getting any run support, if abuck is correct.

 

That's Rich Hill's problem! They aren't scoring runs for him! I thought it was the 15\11 BB\K ratio or the 5HR and 20 ER in 19 innings. :wink:

[A New Era]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Ever heard of having a lead boosting the pitcher and giving him more confidence? A few runs could do wonders for Rich Hill. The Cubs haven't helped him much in that department with all this "do or die" talk, and not getting any run support, if abuck is correct.

 

That's Rich Hill's problem! They aren't scoring runs for him! I thought it was the 15\11 BB\K ratio or the 5HR and 20 ER in 19 innings. :wink:

 

Yeah, and my point is getting a few run lead to work with could help rich hill's confidence immensly. So I'm hoping the cubs score early. But this is the cubs, so rich hill will be traded for nothing to end up being a good pitcher for another organization. With a pitching coach and manager that know how to work with him, and maybe nurture him a little instead of blaming him and pressuring him for everything.

[C.C.]

i sometimes forget that the cubs have scored ONE run combined in hill's four starts. yeah, dusty, it's all hill's fault.

 

How many runs did Hill give up again?

 

Ever heard of having a lead boosting the pitcher and giving him more confidence? A few runs could do wonders for Rich Hill. The Cubs haven't helped him much in that department with all this "do or die" talk, and not getting any run support, if abuck is correct.

 

That's Rich Hill's problem! They aren't scoring runs for him! I thought it was the 15\11 BB\K ratio or the 5HR and 20 ER in 19 innings. :wink:

 

Yeah, and my point is getting a few run lead to work with could help rich hill's confidence immensly. So I'm hoping the cubs score early. But this is the cubs, so rich hill will be traded for nothing to end up being a good pitcher for another organization. With a pitching coach and manager that know how to work with him, and maybe nurture him a little instead of blaming him and pressuring him for everything.

 

Well there could be a reason that Baker and Rothschild have been a bit down on him. Ever wonder why they don't say a bad thing about Marshall? Maybe Hill isn't listening to coaching? It's rare that Baker bad mouths any player. So you just have to wonder.

[Derwood]

I like it when Modzilla starts game threads

 

I like it when Derwood doesn't post in my game threads. :evil:

 

maybe if your avatar was that new UCLA recruit getting his skin pulled off....

 

btw, 4 pages in the Game Thread before the game has started? When did people start caring again?