Dreaming of Carl Crawford

[BWcubs21]

I dont know if this has been posted yet, but the Cubs have supposedly contacted the Rays about Carl Crawford. Here are some links.

 

http://games.espn.go.com/cgi/flb/request.dll?PLAYERNOTESARCHIVE&Param0=6870

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/15/Rays/If_Crawford_s_availab.shtml

 

I hope the Cubs are seriously exploring the possibilities, but I wont believe it till I see it.

[BWcubs21]

Also it sounds as though they are asking for an arm and a leg (probably your first born as well).

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I figure it would cost the Cubs Marshall, Dopirak, and Gallagher at the very least. That could be a little steep a price to pay.

[BWcubs21]

Per CBS Sportsline it looks as though the Angels are offering Ervin Santana in exchange for Crawford.

 

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/page/TB

[PrimeTime]

I would take him, a fast leadoff man that can drive the ball out of the park,wayy better than having pierre with his girlish arm out there

[goonys evil twin]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

[ChiCubsFan]

I figure it would cost the Cubs Marshall, Dopirak, and Gallagher at the very least. That could be a little steep a price to pay.

 

I think it would cost MUCH more than that. Gallagher and Marshall are #3 starters at best IMO and Dopirak has his issues. I don't think we really have the prospects to get it done.

[BWcubs21]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

 

He has a ton of talent, is only 24 years old, plays good D, incredible speed, he has developing power, etc...

This is a guy who could very well hit 25+ homers and steal 60+ bases.

[BWcubs21]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

 

Also I do believe he splits time between CF and LF and I heard is moving to CF full-time because of the return Baladelli (no clue how to spell his name). I could be wrong about him moving there full-time, but he does have the ability to play CF.

[ChiCubsFan]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

How is he "not good at getting on base"? He's got a .346 OBP this season (at the age of 24). I'd say .346 is good, ecspecially when you consider how young he is. He doesn't strike out too much (26 Ks in 242 ABs so far this year), has a decent OBP, has some good power, and a ton of speed. If this is the best he'll get, then I don't think he would command "an arm and a leg", but he's very young and improving. He also has stolen bases at a 81.5% success rate over his career.

[abuck1220]

his .346 OBP puts him middle of the road among ML leftfielders.

 

not too excited about him as a corner OF, especially given what it would take to get him).

[ChiCubsFan]

his .346 OBP puts him middle of the road among ML leftfielders.

 

not too excited about him as a corner OF, especially given what it would take to get him).

 

Yes, but he's young and still improving. I agree, however, that it probably wouldn't be worth it for what we would have to trade. Nonetheless, he's going to be a special player IMO and I would love to have him on the Cubs as a LF or CF.

[SCCubbieFAN]

The one article also talks about the DRays getting rid of Huff for whatever they can get. So perhaps a deal that includes taking Huff off the DRays' hands might get it done. Perhaps Crawford and Huff for Marshall, Williams/Ardsma, and Murton. Or is that too much?

[soccer10k]

Having Crawford would be nice.

[CuseCubFan69]

If I remember correctly Crawford had the fewest pitches per plate apperance last year. He perfect for Hendry...fast and swings at everything. I expect Pie and others to be traded for this guy. As for the Angels, they swing at every pitch too so he'd work well with that organizations philosophy too.

[BWcubs21]

The one article also talks about the DRays getting rid of Huff for whatever they can get. So perhaps a deal that includes taking Huff off the DRays' hands might get it done. Perhaps Crawford and Huff for Marshall, Williams/Ardsma, and Murton. Or is that too much?

 

Wow, what happened to Huff??? Hitting below .200 with 3 homers...roids?

[Banedon]

2006                        AB  HR AVG  RBI  R  SB 
Carl Crawford               242 8 .302  31   41 21
Corey Patterson             190 7 .295  24   36 27 

 

Career

 

Patterson .256/.297/.418

Crawford .290/.323/.425

 

Pretty similar...

[ChiCubsFan]

If I remember correctly Crawford had the fewest pitches per plate apperance last year. He perfect for Hendry...fast and swings at everything. I expect Pie and others to be traded for this guy. As for the Angels, they swing at every pitch too so he'd work well with that organizations philosophy too.

 

Well this year he's at 3.65 P/PA, ahead of guys like Vernon Wells, Hank Blalock, Victor Martinez, Mark Loretta, Kevin Mench, Magglio Ordonez, Pudge Rodriguez, Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones, Brian Giles, Michael Barrett, Jimmy Rollins, Matt Holliday.

[ChiCubsFan]

The one article also talks about the DRays getting rid of Huff for whatever they can get. So perhaps a deal that includes taking Huff off the DRays' hands might get it done. Perhaps Crawford and Huff for Marshall, Williams/Ardsma, and Murton. Or is that too much?

 

Wow, what happened to Huff??? Hitting below .200 with 3 homers...roids?

 

He's a notorious slow-starter plus he's had some injuries to deal with this year. He definitely isn't the hitter he once was, but he certainly isn't this bad either.

[NorthsideAvenger]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

How is he "not good at getting on base"? He's got a .346 OBP this season (at the age of 24). I'd say .346 is good, ecspecially when you consider how young he is. He doesn't strike out too much (26 Ks in 242 ABs so far this year), has a decent OBP, has some good power, and a ton of speed. If this is the best he'll get, then I don't think he would command "an arm and a leg", but he's very young and improving. He also has stolen bases at a 81.5% success rate over his career.

 

You think .346 is "good.... :roll: . .346 is pretty average for a "leadoff hitter" with his speed and pop. Not to mention Crawford career OBP is .323, so...as of right now...if I was the DRays I would jumped on Santana/Crawford deal before the Angels reconsider. Having Kazmir/Santana at the top of the rotation, would finally give the DRays pitching hope for the not so distant future.

 

Unless it's a decent offer, I would pass on Crawford.

[BWcubs21]

2006                        AB  HR AVG  RBI  R  SB 
Carl Crawford               242 8 .302  31   41 21
Corey Patterson             190 7 .295  24   36 27 

 

Career

 

Patterson .256/.297/.418

Crawford .290/.323/.425

 

Pretty similar...

 

CPatt is also 2 years older. Look at Crawford's numbers over the course of his career and its easy to see how much he is progressing. Any person in baseball will tell you that Crawford is the superior player. I am not saying he is going to be the best player in the game, but he has the ability to become a very very good player with the potential to hit 25+ homers and steal 60+ bases. He can play CF and that would be great production.

[BWcubs21]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

How is he "not good at getting on base"? He's got a .346 OBP this season (at the age of 24). I'd say .346 is good, ecspecially when you consider how young he is. He doesn't strike out too much (26 Ks in 242 ABs so far this year), has a decent OBP, has some good power, and a ton of speed. If this is the best he'll get, then I don't think he would command "an arm and a leg", but he's very young and improving. He also has stolen bases at a 81.5% success rate over his career.

 

You think .346 is "good.... :roll: . .346 is pretty average for a "leadoff hitter" with his speed and pop. Not to mention Crawford career OBP is .323, so...as of right now...if I was the DRays I would jumped on Santana/Crawford deal before the Angels reconsider. Having Kazmir/Santana at the top of the rotation, would finally give the DRays pitching hope for the not so distant future.

 

Unless it's a decent offer, I would pass on Crawford.

 

First of all .346 out of the leadoff spot would be heaven this year, but thats a whole different story. :)

 

I think with his developing power that he may be better suited hitting in the 2nd spot (if you have a traditional leadoff hitter). However he is showing more patience this year and is still a few years away from his prime. Is he ever going to be a great OBP guy, probably not, but its not out of the question that as he matures into a very good OBP guy.

[CuseCubFan69]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

How is he "not good at getting on base"? He's got a .346 OBP this season (at the age of 24). I'd say .346 is good, ecspecially when you consider how young he is. He doesn't strike out too much (26 Ks in 242 ABs so far this year), has a decent OBP, has some good power, and a ton of speed. If this is the best he'll get, then I don't think he would command "an arm and a leg", but he's very young and improving. He also has stolen bases at a 81.5% success rate over his career.

 

You think .346 is "good.... :roll: . .346 is pretty average for a "leadoff hitter" with his speed and pop. Not to mention Crawford career OBP is .323, so...as of right now...if I was the DRays I would jumped on Santana/Crawford deal before the Angels reconsider. Having Kazmir/Santana at the top of the rotation, would finally give the DRays pitching hope for the not so distant future.

 

Unless it's a decent offer, I would pass on Crawford.

 

First of all .346 out of the leadoff spot would be heaven this year, but thats a whole different story. :)

 

I think with his developing power that he may be better suited hitting in the 2nd spot (if you have a traditional leadoff hitter). However he is showing more patience this year and is still a few years away from his prime. Is he ever going to be a great OBP guy, probably not, but its not out of the question that as he matures into a very good OBP guy.

 

But you have a Manager and GM that live in the stone age so I doubt they would aquire him to bat 2nd.

[ChiCubsFan]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

How is he "not good at getting on base"? He's got a .346 OBP this season (at the age of 24). I'd say .346 is good, ecspecially when you consider how young he is. He doesn't strike out too much (26 Ks in 242 ABs so far this year), has a decent OBP, has some good power, and a ton of speed. If this is the best he'll get, then I don't think he would command "an arm and a leg", but he's very young and improving. He also has stolen bases at a 81.5% success rate over his career.

 

You think .346 is "good.... :roll: . .346 is pretty average for a "leadoff hitter" with his speed and pop. Not to mention Crawford career OBP is .323, so...as of right now...if I was the DRays I would jumped on Santana/Crawford deal before the Angels reconsider. Having Kazmir/Santana at the top of the rotation, would finally give the DRays pitching hope for the not so distant future.

 

Unless it's a decent offer, I would pass on Crawford.

 

First of, the whole rolling eyes thing is getting old and its unnecessary. .346 for this team would be great. Beats any OF we have. I never said I wanted him to lead off, either BTW. I think saying his career OBP is lower than his current, is not a good way to prove your arguement. If it wasn't, I'd be worried. I think it shows signs that he's developing and maturing into a good hitter. I expect his OBP to continue to rise. The reason I said that his OBP was good (other than the fact that it's better than practically anyone on our team) is that he is very young, and only going to get better.

[BWcubs21]

What's so special about Crawford? He's not good at getting on base. I guess if he was a really good defensive CF his numbers would be nice out there, but nothing to give up a load of talent for. He plays LF and I don't know anything about his ability out there or his ability to move to center.

How is he "not good at getting on base"? He's got a .346 OBP this season (at the age of 24). I'd say .346 is good, ecspecially when you consider how young he is. He doesn't strike out too much (26 Ks in 242 ABs so far this year), has a decent OBP, has some good power, and a ton of speed. If this is the best he'll get, then I don't think he would command "an arm and a leg", but he's very young and improving. He also has stolen bases at a 81.5% success rate over his career.

 

You think .346 is "good.... :roll: . .346 is pretty average for a "leadoff hitter" with his speed and pop. Not to mention Crawford career OBP is .323, so...as of right now...if I was the DRays I would jumped on Santana/Crawford deal before the Angels reconsider. Having Kazmir/Santana at the top of the rotation, would finally give the DRays pitching hope for the not so distant future.

 

Unless it's a decent offer, I would pass on Crawford.

 

First of all .346 out of the leadoff spot would be heaven this year, but thats a whole different story. :)

 

I think with his developing power that he may be better suited hitting in the 2nd spot (if you have a traditional leadoff hitter). However he is showing more patience this year and is still a few years away from his prime. Is he ever going to be a great OBP guy, probably not, but its not out of the question that as he matures into a very good OBP guy.

 

But you have a Manager and GM that live in the stone age so I doubt they would aquire him to bat 2nd.

 

True. Its sorta sad that in some ways I dont want the Cubs to trade for the guy because they will probably stifle his progress if not make him regress.