ARod.....

[soccer10k]

I have a feeling deep in my bones...this is going to happen by the ASB. The Cubs are gonna deliver Aramis, Jacque, a reliever and Pierre plus cash for A-Rod. Checking out the NYC boards and press and talking to my Yankee fans, A-Rod is being made into a scapegoat of Sammy proportions up there. The time is right, and I think this could be the first serious step in the right direction for this team. Do the trade, shed Wood and Maddux, use the money to also grab C-Lee and a starter.

 

But what about CF and RF the rest of this year? I know Pie isn't lighting it up, but maybe give him some time just to let him have a bit of experience?

 

Make it happen, dammit.

Between Pagan, Murton, Nevin, and Bynum (when he returns) the corners are covered.

 

I don't necessarily think the Yankees would want Juan Pierre and Jacque Jones. We might be stuck with Pierre which would only leave right field to be filled. Even if we had to fill center as well, it wouldn't be a problem to do that.

 

I don't really follow the AL, but isn't Matsui more-or-less done for the year? They could use a semi-quality bat to replace him.

 

Sorry, I meant I don't think the Yankees would want both of them but instead would want just one. Given their lineup and who the Yankees are replacing (Matsui) I would think they would want Jones but not Pierre. I didn't clarify my statement well enough.

[bobbyd20]

Maybe we aren't thinking outside the box enough on this A-Rod thing.

 

If the Yankees are looking for outfielders and don't think Jones is good enough, let's go get a better outfielder and then spin him to the Yankees. I know I got eaten up before for my Ramirez for Abreu deal but what if we sent Ramirez to the Phillies for Abreu and then turned around and dealt Abreu to the Yankees (with whatever other players it takes) for A-Rod.

[rawaction]

Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I think the Yanks would be all over Prior, Jones and a prospect for ARod. It gives them a much needed arm in the rotation this year, and a potential long-term ace in Prior. It gives them what instantly becomes their best healthy OF (getting Cabrera and/or Bernie out the lineup everyday somewhat offsets the loss of ARod). Don't know what the Yanks do about 3B, but they've never been shy about going out and getting someone.

 

The biggest problem with this deal is I don't see the Cubs having the guts to bring in a player like Arod. I don't see them having the intelligence to move Arod back to SS. And I don't see them having the willingness to trade what has been their most productive to not miss 2 months of the season (even though they get a more productive player in return).

[Sammy Sofa]

Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I think the Yanks would be all over Prior, Jones and a prospect for ARod. It gives them a much needed arm in the rotation this year, and a potential long-term ace in Prior. It gives them what instantly becomes their best healthy OF (getting Cabrera and/or Bernie out the lineup everyday somewhat offsets the loss of ARod). Don't know what the Yanks do about 3B, but they've never been shy about going out and getting someone.

 

The biggest problem with this deal is I don't see the Cubs having the guts to bring in a player like Arod. I don't see them having the intelligence to move Arod back to SS. And I don't see them having the willingness to trade what has been their most productive to not miss 2 months of the season (even though they get a more productive player in return).

 

That deal doesn't seem like nearly enough offense to convince the Yanks to give up A-Rod. I think you'd have to make it Jones, Prior and Aramis.

[rawaction]

Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I think the Yanks would be all over Prior, Jones and a prospect for ARod. It gives them a much needed arm in the rotation this year, and a potential long-term ace in Prior. It gives them what instantly becomes their best healthy OF (getting Cabrera and/or Bernie out the lineup everyday somewhat offsets the loss of ARod). Don't know what the Yanks do about 3B, but they've never been shy about going out and getting someone.

 

The biggest problem with this deal is I don't see the Cubs having the guts to bring in a player like Arod. I don't see them having the intelligence to move Arod back to SS. And I don't see them having the willingness to trade what has been their most productive to not miss 2 months of the season (even though they get a more productive player in return).

 

That deal doesn't seem like nearly enough offense to convince the Yanks to give up A-Rod. I think you'd have to make it Jones, Prior and Aramis.

 

It gives them anywhere from 150-200 OPS points in the OF depending on who they sit between Williams and Cabrera. They lose a lot at 3B, but they can go out and get a guy like David Bell, Hillenbrand, Randa, etc for the prospects they have. They can't get a guy like Prior with their prospects. If Prior is 100%, he can put the Yankees over the top.

 

Plus, you have to consider the only reason they would possibly trade Arod. They want to get rid of him. You don't get 3 ML starters for a guy you want to get rid of.

[UBlink]

Plus, you have to consider the only reason they would possibly trade Arod. They want to get rid of him. You don't get 3 ML starters for a guy you want to get rid of.

 

You do if there are competing offers - and it's hard for me to believe the Cubs are the only potential home for ARod.

[lanalang]

man i wish the cubs would get arod and then in the offseason go get carlos lee and then that line up would be potent

[sporrer17]

A-Rod

D Lee

C Lee

Barrett

 

3-6? Looks pretty good. if you keep Jones, he's probably 6th, Barrett 7th. If not, Murton plays LF/RF and hits 2nd (he's still got a solid OBP and good speed) and Cedeno hits 8th. CF Pierre again gets the leadoff spot. That lineup could be fun.

 

*this is assuming Ramirez would be moved to get A-Rod, rather than basing a deal around Prior or someone like that.

[cbbryan]

My apologies if this hasn't been brought up yet. If I were the Cubs I would keep ARam and trade arms. The Yankees need an OF, hitters and arms. Not a 3B.

 

I'd trade: Pierre, Nevin, and Dempster.

 

As bad as the Yankee starters are.............the bullpen is horrid!

[Shavo]

Has this rumor been reported anywhere other than that stupid blogsite?

[lanalang]

no i dont think so

[Sammy Sofa]

Nah...it had been discussed here in the past just for fun more than anything else, but that's about it. Bruce Miles pretty much put the kibosh on the whole deal, and I think the man knows his stuff.

[CP_414]

Johnny Damon left the game with an injury tonight. If he is out for a while this could be our chance.

 

Pierre, Jones, Prior, Pie, Williamson for Arod and Cash...throw in Nevin if they want a temporary 3B. Replace Pie with Ramirez if they need to.

 

I know I should give up the dream, but I don't want to.

 

2007 Cubs

C- Barrett

1B - Lee

2B - Cedeno

SS - ARod

3B - ARAM

RF - ?

CF - ?

LF - Murton

 

SP Zambrano

SP ?

SP ?

SP Marshall

SP Marmol

 

BP Dempster

BP Howry

BP Eyre

BP Ohman

BP Wuertz

BP Novoa/Aardsma

 

I would see if the Brewers want to dump Sheets salary to resign Lee, and try to acquire Sheets and Brady Clark (if not Bill Hall, who I would rather get for CF). Clark has been sent to their bench despite being good for an OBP of about .380, and catching everything he can get to in CF.

 

Then get an innings eater with an ERA around 4 for the 3rd starter and spend whatever is left on RF.

[cbbryan]

Johnny Damon left the game with an injury tonight. If he is out for a while this could be our chance.

 

Pierre, Jones, Prior, Pie, Williamson for Arod and Cash...throw in Nevin if they want a temporary 3B. Replace Pie with Ramirez if they need to.

 

I know I should give up the dream, but I don't want to.

 

2007 Cubs

C- Barrett

1B - Lee

2B - Cedeno

SS - ARod

3B - ARAM

RF - ?

CF - ?

LF - Murton

 

SP Zambrano

SP ?

SP ?

SP Marshall

SP Marmol

 

BP Dempster

BP Howry

BP Eyre

BP Ohman

BP Wuertz

BP Novoa/Aardsma

 

I would see if the Brewers want to dump Sheets salary to resign Lee, and try to acquire Sheets and Brady Clark (if not Bill Hall, who I would rather get for CF). Clark has been sent to their bench despite being good for an OBP of about .380, and catching everything he can get to in CF.

 

Then get an innings eater with an ERA around 4 for the 3rd starter and spend whatever is left on RF.

 

Jeez! Should we pony up anyone else? The Cubs could have ARod w/o giving up ARAM. I still say Pierre, Dempster, and Nevin.[/b]

[Neuby]

actually this trade was tossed around by Barry Rozner. Just something he threw out there. Just like he just threw out all those Maddux hints long before he signed.

[Sammy Sofa]

Blat. Edited July 6, 2006 by Sammy Sofa

[bhogg]

this is the funniest thread I've ever read.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I hope we could somehow get A Rod, but really --- why in God's name do the yanks get rid of him --- especially for anything collecting dust on a cub roster?

[Sammy Sofa]

Jeez! Should we pony up anyone else? The Cubs could have ARod w/o giving up ARAM. I still say Pierre, Dempster, and Nevin.

 

That's...optimistic? While I definitely agree that the post you were replying to was suggesting a deal that absurdly overpaid, your deal is sort of, well, ridiculous. I know the scuttlebutt is that the fans and maybe the organization up there are pissed at/tired of him, but they're nowhere near hating him enough to essentially dump one of the greatest hitters in the game's history for what you're talking about.

[Sammy Sofa]

this is the funniest thread I've ever read.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I hope we could somehow get A Rod, but really --- why in God's name do the yanks get rid of him --- especially for anything collecting dust on a cub roster?

 

It was just a brief rumor and now we're running over it for fun...what else is there to do this season?

[cbbryan]

Jeez! Should we pony up anyone else? The Cubs could have ARod w/o giving up ARAM. I still say Pierre, Dempster, and Nevin.

 

That's...optimistic? While I definitely agree that the post you were replying to was suggesting a deal that absurdly overpaid, your deal is sort of, well, ridiculous. I know the scuttlebutt is that the fans and maybe the organization up there are pissed at/tired of him, but they're nowhere near hating him enough to essentially dump one of the greatest hitters in the game's history for what you're talking about.

 

Maybe it's not enough. I'm just saying you give what the Yankee's what they need which is OF help and pitching. Maybe you add Eyre, or Williamson. Maybe you add Walker. But you don't trade the farm and your starting OF for one guy.

[Sammy Sofa]

Jeez! Should we pony up anyone else? The Cubs could have ARod w/o giving up ARAM. I still say Pierre, Dempster, and Nevin.

 

That's...optimistic? While I definitely agree that the post you were replying to was suggesting a deal that absurdly overpaid, your deal is sort of, well, ridiculous. I know the scuttlebutt is that the fans and maybe the organization up there are pissed at/tired of him, but they're nowhere near hating him enough to essentially dump one of the greatest hitters in the game's history for what you're talking about.

 

Maybe it's not enough. I'm just saying you give what the Yankee's what they need which is OF help and pitching. Maybe you add Eyre, or Williamson. Maybe you add Walker. But you don't trade the farm and your starting OF for one guy.

 

Right. Which is why I would trade Jacque, Aramis, Wood and a reliever for him with the idea he'd still play 3rd in Chicago. Plug Pagan/Mabry/Nevin into RF for the rest of the year with the idea (hopefully) that the team would be going after someone like Abreu for next year.

[cbbryan]

Jeez! Should we pony up anyone else? The Cubs could have ARod w/o giving up ARAM. I still say Pierre, Dempster, and Nevin.

 

That's...optimistic? While I definitely agree that the post you were replying to was suggesting a deal that absurdly overpaid, your deal is sort of, well, ridiculous. I know the scuttlebutt is that the fans and maybe the organization up there are pissed at/tired of him, but they're nowhere near hating him enough to essentially dump one of the greatest hitters in the game's history for what you're talking about.

 

Maybe it's not enough. I'm just saying you give what the Yankee's what they need which is OF help and pitching. Maybe you add Eyre, or Williamson. Maybe you add Walker. But you don't trade the farm and your starting OF for one guy.

 

Right. Which is why I would trade Jacque, Aramis, Wood and a reliever for him with the idea he'd still play 3rd in Chicago. Plug Pagan/Mabry/Nevin into RF for the rest of the year with the idea (hopefully) that the team would be going after someone like Abreu for next year.

 

I would be open to trading Jacque, Wood, Eyre, Williamson, and a long list of others. I wouldn't trade Aramis though. In reality, I'd probably trade something closer to: Jones, Williamson, Walker, and Eyre for ARod or I'd be willing to do Jones, Dempster, and Walker for ARod. Point is, I wouldn't just throw Aramis in. I'd like to see a left side of ARam and ARod while sliding Cedeno to 2B. That would be an awesome IF.

 

1B: Lee

2B: Cedeno

SS: ARod

3B: ARam

C: Barrett

[Sammy Sofa]

Totally meaningless gossip from CubsReporter.com:

 

*** WILD RUMOR ALERT ***

 

Please be warned: The following is a rumor I heard while talking to a guy I don’t know very well. He is a producer at a sports talk radio station in Madison, WI and was passing on a rumor he heard at the station.

 

Having said that, he said that the ARam and Jacques Jones for ARod trade rumor was the result of a conversation that Jim Hendry had with Lou Piniella. Hendry was supposedly talking to Piniella about managing the Cubs and Piniella said he would not be interested unless the Cubs added some big name hitters. Piniella went on to say that ARod was not happy in NY and that he (Piniella) believed the Yankees would be interested in moving him. Hendry then allegedly made a call to Brian Cashman to discuss the deal and Cashman allegedly showed some interest.

 

I want to believe this rumor, but I’m so down on Hendry, I can’t believe he could make this happen. However, I do know that Piniella was in NY for a Yankees game at the end of June and he spent some time with ARod helping him with his swing. Shortly after meeting with Piniella, ARod came out of the slump he was in for much of June. I also remember hearing recently that Hendry met with Piniella while Piniella was in Chicago broadcasting a game. I believe the ARod rumor started around this same time.

 

Granted, I may be connecting dots that don’t exist, but I thought it would be interesting to pass this along.

 

Probably nothing ("Talking to a guy..."), but hey, it's a slow Sunday night. So, yes, I know this will no doubt amount to nothing, but I like the hypothetical question it raises...how many of you would want Piniella running the team if it meant we could see A-Rod playing for the Cubs? I really don't want to see Sweet Lou in charge, but...

Edited July 10, 2006 by Sammy Sofa

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 Madison

							                        New York



Chicago

 

Hmmmm...

[Sammy Sofa]

Dude, if it's not going down in Madison, it's not going down, ya dig?