Aramis

[soccer10k]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

That's just silly. Going to a Cubs game and booing Cubs players is bad enough. But you are going in have already dediced in advance who you are going to boo, that's worse. And then you pick out two guys who are playing poorly and leave off another.

 

If anybody deserves to be booed, it's the players who makes the same stupid mental mistakes over and over. I have a tough time booing performance. But it's not that hard to boo guys who routinely get picked off base, miss cut-off men and roll the ball in from the outfield.

 

Baseball is a game of failure. You win on the margins. Slumps happen, and have to be tolerated, as annoying as they are. Mental mistakes should not be tolerated, and repeated mental mistakes absolutely cannot be tolerated.

 

It's also players that aren't playing anywhere near the level they should be playing at.

[soccer10k]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

Good for you. Jones is your guy. There's nothing wrong with it.

 

Jones isn't "my guy." I don't love him but at the same time I don't hate him. Believe me, there are a number of players that have been in a Cubs uniform that I have disliked more than Jones and a number that I have liked more than Jones. He is definately not "my guy."

[badger1679666666]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

That's just silly. Going to a Cubs game and booing Cubs players is bad enough. But you are going in have already dediced in advance who you are going to boo, that's worse. And then you pick out two guys who are playing poorly and leave off another.

 

If anybody deserves to be booed, it's the players who makes the same stupid mental mistakes over and over. I have a tough time booing performance. But it's not that hard to boo guys who routinely get picked off base, miss cut-off men and roll the ball in from the outfield.

 

Baseball is a game of failure. You win on the margins. Slumps happen, and have to be tolerated, as annoying as they are. Mental mistakes should not be tolerated, and repeated mental mistakes absolutely cannot be tolerated.

 

It's also players that aren't playing anywhere near the level they should be playing at.

 

But not players who repeatedly make mental errors that cost their teams runs in the process, errors than can theoretically be fixed with the snap of the fingers?

 

Are you serious?

[soccer10k]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

That's just silly. Going to a Cubs game and booing Cubs players is bad enough. But you are going in have already dediced in advance who you are going to boo, that's worse. And then you pick out two guys who are playing poorly and leave off another.

 

If anybody deserves to be booed, it's the players who makes the same stupid mental mistakes over and over. I have a tough time booing performance. But it's not that hard to boo guys who routinely get picked off base, miss cut-off men and roll the ball in from the outfield.

 

Baseball is a game of failure. You win on the margins. Slumps happen, and have to be tolerated, as annoying as they are. Mental mistakes should not be tolerated, and repeated mental mistakes absolutely cannot be tolerated.

 

It's also players that aren't playing anywhere near the level they should be playing at.

 

But not players who repeatedly make mental errors that cost their teams runs in the process, errors than can theoretically be fixed with the snap of the fingers?

 

Are you serious?

 

I said also, i.e. in addition to. Does that make sense to you or do I need to explain the concept of "also" a little bit better for you?

[David]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

That's just silly. Going to a Cubs game and booing Cubs players is bad enough. But you are going in have already dediced in advance who you are going to boo, that's worse. And then you pick out two guys who are playing poorly and leave off another.

 

If anybody deserves to be booed, it's the players who makes the same stupid mental mistakes over and over. I have a tough time booing performance. But it's not that hard to boo guys who routinely get picked off base, miss cut-off men and roll the ball in from the outfield.

 

Baseball is a game of failure. You win on the margins. Slumps happen, and have to be tolerated, as annoying as they are. Mental mistakes should not be tolerated, and repeated mental mistakes absolutely cannot be tolerated.

 

It's also players that aren't playing anywhere near the level they should be playing at.

 

But not players who repeatedly make mental errors that cost their teams runs in the process, errors than can theoretically be fixed with the snap of the fingers?

 

Are you serious?

 

I'm at a loss for words too. It's not like Aramis can do much about his numbers. Players go through down times. They can't just flip the switch and say "Oh, I'm going to hit better from now on."

 

On the other hand, mental mistakes are completely preventable and there should be NO excuse whatsoever for those who make them repeatedly.

[USSoccer]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

Good for you. Jones is your guy. There's nothing wrong with it.

 

Jones isn't "my guy." I don't love him but at the same time I don't hate him. Believe me, there are a number of players that have been in a Cubs uniform that I have disliked more than Jones and a number that I have liked more than Jones. He is definately not "my guy."

 

So you have no issue with Jones being mediocre/bad, because that's all you expect of him, and you expect more from Ramirez and Pierre?

[badger1679666666]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

That's just silly. Going to a Cubs game and booing Cubs players is bad enough. But you are going in have already dediced in advance who you are going to boo, that's worse. And then you pick out two guys who are playing poorly and leave off another.

 

If anybody deserves to be booed, it's the players who makes the same stupid mental mistakes over and over. I have a tough time booing performance. But it's not that hard to boo guys who routinely get picked off base, miss cut-off men and roll the ball in from the outfield.

 

Baseball is a game of failure. You win on the margins. Slumps happen, and have to be tolerated, as annoying as they are. Mental mistakes should not be tolerated, and repeated mental mistakes absolutely cannot be tolerated.

 

It's also players that aren't playing anywhere near the level they should be playing at.

 

But not players who repeatedly make mental errors that cost their teams runs in the process, errors than can theoretically be fixed with the snap of the fingers?

 

Are you serious?

 

I said also, i.e. in addition to. Does that make sense to you or do I need to explain the concept of "also" a little bit better for you?

 

What you nee to explain kid, is how you will boo Aramis and Pierre, but don't find Jones's mental retardation while on the basepaths boo worthy. Struggling at the plate happens and is tougher to snap out of. Not getting picked off of 2nd for the 3rd time in two weeks should be EASILY avoidable, but to you, is not boo worthy.

 

I repeat, are you seroius?

[soccer10k]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

Good for you. Jones is your guy. There's nothing wrong with it.

 

Jones isn't "my guy." I don't love him but at the same time I don't hate him. Believe me, there are a number of players that have been in a Cubs uniform that I have disliked more than Jones and a number that I have liked more than Jones. He is definately not "my guy."

 

So you have no issue with Jones being mediocre/bad, because that's all you expect of him, and you expect more from Ramirez and Pierre?

 

Thats why they are called expectations. Jones is living up to the expectations the fans should have had based on his past couple years. Pierre and Aramis aren't. How can you expect a guy to hit .300 when he hasn't done that in a few years? You can't. I EXPECT Aramis to hit .300 because he's done it the last couple years. He set his own high expectations with good play. Jones set low expectations with poor play and has met those expectations.

[soccer10k]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

That's just silly. Going to a Cubs game and booing Cubs players is bad enough. But you are going in have already dediced in advance who you are going to boo, that's worse. And then you pick out two guys who are playing poorly and leave off another.

 

If anybody deserves to be booed, it's the players who makes the same stupid mental mistakes over and over. I have a tough time booing performance. But it's not that hard to boo guys who routinely get picked off base, miss cut-off men and roll the ball in from the outfield.

 

Baseball is a game of failure. You win on the margins. Slumps happen, and have to be tolerated, as annoying as they are. Mental mistakes should not be tolerated, and repeated mental mistakes absolutely cannot be tolerated.

 

It's also players that aren't playing anywhere near the level they should be playing at.

 

But not players who repeatedly make mental errors that cost their teams runs in the process, errors than can theoretically be fixed with the snap of the fingers?

 

Are you serious?

 

I said also, i.e. in addition to. Does that make sense to you or do I need to explain the concept of "also" a little bit better for you?

 

What you nee to explain kid, is how you will boo Aramis and Pierre, but don't find Jones's mental retardation while on the basepaths boo worthy. Struggling at the plate happens and is tougher to snap out of. Not getting picked off of 2nd for the 3rd time in two weeks should be EASILY avoidable, but to you, is not boo worthy.

 

I repeat, are you seroius?

 

Don't try to use the fact that I'm most likely younger than you as an argument. That's just stupid. Aramis has struggled FOR A MONTH AND A HALF. Two or three weeks is one thing, but a month and a half, please. Look at the whole body of work. Jones>ARam so far. Will it stay that way? I sure as hell hope not for ARam's sake. But right now it is.

[goonys evil twin]

Thats why they are called expectations. Jones is living up to the expectations the fans should have had based on his past couple years. Pierre and Aramis aren't. How can you expect a guy to hit .300 when he hasn't done that in a few years? You can't. I EXPECT Aramis to hit .300 because he's done it the last couple years. He set his own high expectations with good play. Jones set low expectations with poor play and has met those expectations.

 

So you expected Jones to be a piss poor defender who routinely gets picked off?

[soccer10k]

Thats why they are called expectations. Jones is living up to the expectations the fans should have had based on his past couple years. Pierre and Aramis aren't. How can you expect a guy to hit .300 when he hasn't done that in a few years? You can't. I EXPECT Aramis to hit .300 because he's done it the last couple years. He set his own high expectations with good play. Jones set low expectations with poor play and has met those expectations.

 

So you expected Jones to be a piss poor defender who routinely gets picked off?

 

Piss poor defender? No. He has a horrible arm, but he's not a 'piss poor defender'.

[sunnydoo]

Alot of people dont like how you twist facts and make arbitrary designations like 145 games in a year instead of 142 or 140. Also they don't like how you include years when he wasn't a starter, when trying to prove your points. It's a farce.

 

Well Badger i am sorry. First the "arbitrary" 145 number if you do the math is exactly 89.5% or 90% rounded up. When i sign someone to a multi million, multi year deal, they sure as heck better play 90% of the time for me. That is where that number came from.

 

Not sure what you are talking about manipulating numbers on ARam. You can find any of the splits above at Yahoo sports or ESPN if you would like to go and see for yourself. I was just saving everyone the time from having to dig them out and put them together in order so that everyone could see the trend for themselves.

 

And i will make sure i send in a request to Baseball Almanac on your behalf to delete any baseball records for when people didnt start a game or werent a full time starter. I dont know what i was thinking when i included his whole entire career stats. Must not have been aware that some stats are good and some are bad and you only get to count the ones that are good. But i will make sure they are aware of it.

[BigSlick]

If I went to a Cubs game right now I would boo Aramis and deservedly so. I would also boo Pierre, but I would not boo Jacque.

 

Wait.

 

 

What?

[goonys evil twin]

Thats why they are called expectations. Jones is living up to the expectations the fans should have had based on his past couple years. Pierre and Aramis aren't. How can you expect a guy to hit .300 when he hasn't done that in a few years? You can't. I EXPECT Aramis to hit .300 because he's done it the last couple years. He set his own high expectations with good play. Jones set low expectations with poor play and has met those expectations.

 

So you expected Jones to be a piss poor defender who routinely gets picked off?

 

Piss poor defender? No. He has a horrible arm, but he's not a 'piss poor defender'.

 

Bobbling grounders, throwing grounders and missing cutoff men. He's looked awful in the field so far. Nothing close to what Hendry sold him as, and no better, probably worse, than Burnitz.

[goonys evil twin]

And i will make sure i send in a request to Baseball Almanac on your behalf to delete any baseball records for when people didnt start a game or werent a full time starter. I dont know what i was thinking when i included his whole entire career stats. Must not have been aware that some stats are good and some are bad and you only get to count the ones that are good. But i will make sure they are aware of it.

 

Career rate stats, for a 27 year old who made the majors at 20, are not very telling of his abilities. It would make a lot more sense to talk about his stats for the past 2-3 years (2003-2005 - .296/.350/.532). What a guy did at 21 in limited major league action isn't going to be a realistic indicator of future expectations.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Alot of people dont like how you twist facts and make arbitrary designations like 145 games in a year instead of 142 or 140. Also they don't like how you include years when he wasn't a starter, when trying to prove your points. It's a farce.

 

Well Badger i am sorry. First the "arbitrary" 145 number if you do the math is exactly 89.5% or 90% rounded up. When i sign someone to a multi million, multi year deal, they sure as heck better play 90% of the time for me. That is where that number came from.

 

Not sure what you are talking about manipulating numbers on ARam. You can find any of the splits above at Yahoo sports or ESPN if you would like to go and see for yourself. I was just saving everyone the time from having to dig them out and put them together in order so that everyone could see the trend for themselves.

 

And i will make sure i send in a request to Baseball Almanac on your behalf to delete any baseball records for when people didnt start a game or werent a full time starter. I dont know what i was thinking when i included his whole entire career stats. Must not have been aware that some stats are good and some are bad and you only get to count the ones that are good. But i will make sure they are aware of it.

 

It's not a difficult problem to diagnose. His peripherals are similar if not better than past years, he's just getting pretty unlucky with BABIP. Some of it you can blame him for a poor approach, trying to pull outside breaking pitches and popping up, but he's been absurdly unlucky thus far. Add in the fact that he has been a slow starter in the past, and there's no reason to think why he won't improve.

 

In regards to other underperformers, Jones is producing near his career norms, there's little reason to think he'll improve offensively. Pierre has a very low BABIP, but this is into the second year in a row he's put up a lower BABIP, which has to lend questioning to if it's a fluke or not.

[badger1679666666]

 

Well Badger i am sorry. First the "arbitrary" 145 number if you do the math is exactly 89.5% or 90% rounded up. When i sign someone to a multi million, multi year deal, they sure as heck better play 90% of the time for me. That is where that number came from.

 

Ok well I'm going with 142 games because 88% is ok with me since he played 95% of another season.

 

Since Aram became a starter, he has played in 142 games, 4/5 years

 

Not sure what you are talking about manipulating numbers on ARam. You can find any of the splits above at Yahoo sports or ESPN if you would like to go and see for yourself. I was just saving everyone the time from having to dig them out and put them together in order so that everyone could see the trend for themselves.

 

The manipulation and farce I am talking about is including the 3 years he wasn't a starter in your AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS line. There is no other reason to do that than to mislead, or skew numbers to your argument. Especially when everyone on the face of the planet realizes those seasons shouldn't really be used analytically when evaluting how well a player is doing at the age of 27. Being an old and veteran fan, I would think you would know this.

 

So his numbers after becoming a STARTER:

 

.886 OPS in 2001 34/112

bad year in 2002

.790 OPS in 2003 with 27/106

.951 OPS in 2004 with 36/103

.926 OPS in 2005 with 31/92 (would be much higher if anyone got on base)

 

Pretty darn good for a 3B making 11 million.

 

His OPS over those seasons is considerably higher than the average you'd like everyone to believe - using your stats that include a 21 year old Aramis. Disingenous of an argument at bast.

 

 

And i will make sure i send in a request to Baseball Almanac on your behalf to delete any baseball records for when people didnt start a game or werent a full time starter. I dont know what i was thinking when i included his whole entire career stats. Must not have been aware that some stats are good and some are bad and you only get to count the ones that are good. But i will make sure they are aware of it.

 

If you want to include his rookie year stats when he barely played. But anyone with an iota of knowledge about baseball would not include those in evaluting the ball player Aramis has become. A rookie at 21/22 is not the same as a player in his prime at 26/27.

 

Quit being a troll. Include Aramis' crappy 2002 - you should. But don't include his non starter years when he was in his early 20's. He was a completely different player. Very FEW players come into the league and put up Pujols numbers right away.

 

It's clear you have it in for Aramis and have blinders on, so Im not sure anyone can convince you otherwise.

 

Edit to add: Why would you look at his lifetime OBP/OPS numbers instead of those numbers when he became an estabilished player. Justify that rationale for me, and I'll change my opinion.

[sunnydoo]

Edit to add: Why would you look at his lifetime OBP/OPS numbers instead of those numbers when he became an estabilished player. Justify that rationale for me, and I'll change my opinion.

 

Not trying to be disengenuous here badger. When i compare ARam to Scott Rolen for instance, i dont discount Rolen's numbers or ARams. Now Rolen struggled in 1996 and only played 37 games being a rookie, but his numbers stayed in. Last year, he was hurt and had an awful season. But those numbers stayed in.

 

Another example about the same age as ARam is Ensberg. He had bad OPS seasons in trying to find his stroke in 2000, 2002, and 2004. He has also only played one season above 145. But his lifetime OPS is still higher than ARams.

 

You do it for ease of comparison. Now if you want to break it down for say the last 3 years, you can flip that option at ESPN on. I will go find that info and bring it over for ya, just to say i can. I also love the fact that you didnt post ARams OPS #s in 2002. That made me laugh.

 

And quit being so snotty. I am a) not a troll, b) do not have it "in for" ARam. I am trying to have a rational discussion on his numbers. Debate is what made America great. I would expect more from your education and background, cause i have the same one.

[Mizzou]

To add to this, when do we stop giving Aramis the benefit of the doubt? Why aren't people booing him yet? Jones gets booed all the time and tonight had something thrown at him by a fan. I went along with the "benefit of the doubt" argument as well as the "small sample size" argument and let it go. But where do you draw the line? Aramis has 130 AB's which is almost a quarter of a season. When do you start asking if something is wrong with him?

Are you serious? I sort of stopped paying attention to the Cubs for the past week, aside from SportsCenter highlights and box scores in the newspaper, so I'm asking because I don't know. Did that really happen? What was thrown? And did the guy get his *** kicked by the other fans?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

To add to this, when do we stop giving Aramis the benefit of the doubt? Why aren't people booing him yet? Jones gets booed all the time and tonight had something thrown at him by a fan. I went along with the "benefit of the doubt" argument as well as the "small sample size" argument and let it go. But where do you draw the line? Aramis has 130 AB's which is almost a quarter of a season. When do you start asking if something is wrong with him?

Are you serious? I sort of stopped paying attention to the Cubs for the past week, aside from SportsCenter highlights and box scores in the newspaper, so I'm asking because I don't know. Did that really happen? What was thrown? And did the guy get his *** kicked by the other fans?

 

Yeah, some woman threw something at him, Jones got an umpire and she was thrown out of the stadium.

[soccer10k]

To add to this, when do we stop giving Aramis the benefit of the doubt? Why aren't people booing him yet? Jones gets booed all the time and tonight had something thrown at him by a fan. I went along with the "benefit of the doubt" argument as well as the "small sample size" argument and let it go. But where do you draw the line? Aramis has 130 AB's which is almost a quarter of a season. When do you start asking if something is wrong with him?

Are you serious? I sort of stopped paying attention to the Cubs for the past week, aside from SportsCenter highlights and box scores in the newspaper, so I'm asking because I don't know. Did that really happen? What was thrown? And did the guy get his *** kicked by the other fans?

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060516&content_id=1457262&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

It was a woman.

[goonys evil twin]

To add to this, when do we stop giving Aramis the benefit of the doubt? Why aren't people booing him yet? Jones gets booed all the time and tonight had something thrown at him by a fan. I went along with the "benefit of the doubt" argument as well as the "small sample size" argument and let it go. But where do you draw the line? Aramis has 130 AB's which is almost a quarter of a season. When do you start asking if something is wrong with him?

Are you serious? I sort of stopped paying attention to the Cubs for the past week, aside from SportsCenter highlights and box scores in the newspaper, so I'm asking because I don't know. Did that really happen? What was thrown? And did the guy get his *** kicked by the other fans?

 

In a nutshell

 

Drunk female threw a ball that reportedly came close to his face.

[goonys evil twin]

Not trying to be disengenuous here badger. When i compare ARam to Scott Rolen for instance, i dont discount Rolen's numbers or ARams. Now Rolen struggled in 1996 and only played 37 games being a rookie, but his numbers stayed in. Last year, he was hurt and had an awful season. But those numbers stayed in.

 

Another example about the same age as ARam is Ensberg. He had bad OPS seasons in trying to find his stroke in 2000, 2002, and 2004. He has also only played one season above 145. But his lifetime OPS is still higher than ARams.

 

Ensberg also didn't get much exposure to big league pitching until he was 26, completely throwing off any career comparison with Aramis.

 

Rolen is a good comparison. He came up early and had better and more consistent early success. He also had injury problems during his peak years. Look at this though, at 26 and 27 Rolen had an OPS+ of 127 and 132, at the same age Ramirez was 136 and 137. (at 25 Rolen had the advantage 126 to 104).

 

 

FYI, in 2002, Rolen hit .194/.313/.265 in May and .253/.349/.458 pre all star, before finishing at .266/.357/.503. I would say Aramis could easily accomplish that the rest of the way.

 

In April of 2001 Rolen hit .205/.308/.352 and just .278/.366/.430 pre all star break.

[sunnydoo]

Here are the 2003-2005 numbers straight from ESPN for Badger, ranked by OPS. These are the current MLB 3B numbers. (Tongue in Cheek: We will have to leave Zimm at the top. Even though he was a rookie, his numbers have to count for the last 3 years, because they mean something)

 

Ryan Zimmerman .397/.419/.569/.988
Alex Rodriguez  .302/.398/.574/.972
Scott Rolen  .289/.384/.533/.917
Chipper Jones  .283/.391/.516/.907
Melvin Mora  .312/.391/.513/.904
David Wright  .302/.371/.524/.895
Miguel Cabrera .300/.366/.523/.889
Aramis Ramirez  .296/.350/.532/.882
Morgan Ensberg .283/.368/.504/.872
Troy Glaus  .254/.356/.515/.871
Bill Mueller .303/.378/.474/.852
Eric Chavez  .275/.356/.492/.848
Chad Tracy .297/.351/.482/.833
Hank Blalock  .279/.340/.483/.823
Adrian Beltre  .277/.328/.490/.818
Corey Koskie .266/.360/.451/.811
Mike Lowell  .270/.339/.467/.806
Vinny Castilla .267/.321/.470/.791
Joe Randa .284/.342/.438/.780
Pedro Feliz .259/.296/.463/.759
Edwin Encarnacion  .232/.308/.436/.744
Tony Graffanino  .281/.346/.398/.744
Ty Wigginton .258/.321/.420/.741
Garrett Atkins  .276/.336/.404/.740
Joe Crede .251/.303/.434/.737
Aaron Boone  .256/.314/.418/.732
Brandon Inge .255/.317/.410/.727
Edgardo Alfonzo  .275/.338/.385/.723
David Bell  .253/.327/.381/.708
Tony Batista .238/.271/.424/.695

 

I will find the AL numbers and put them up next. My next question, if ARamirez isnt one of the elite 3b in baseball, why are we trying to carry 2 corner OFs with low slugging %s. Again another cause of concern.

 

Turns out ARam comes in 8th amongst 3b in OPS the last 3 years, which is the back-end of the top 25 percentile, not as high as i thought either. Something else i discovered, the AL Central 3b really really stink.

[badger1679666666]

Here are the 2003-2005 numbers straight from ESPN for Badger, ranked by OPS. These are the current MLB 3B numbers. (Tongue in Cheek: We will have to leave Zimm at the top. Even though he was a rookie, his numbers have to count for the last 3 years, because they mean something)

 

Ryan Zimmerman .397/.419/.569/.988
Alex Rodriguez  .302/.398/.574/.972
Scott Rolen  .289/.384/.533/.917
Chipper Jones  .283/.391/.516/.907
Melvin Mora  .312/.391/.513/.904
David Wright  .302/.371/.524/.895
Miguel Cabrera .300/.366/.523/.889
Aramis Ramirez  .296/.350/.532/.882
Morgan Ensberg .283/.368/.504/.872
Troy Glaus  .254/.356/.515/.871
Bill Mueller .303/.378/.474/.852
Eric Chavez  .275/.356/.492/.848
Chad Tracy .297/.351/.482/.833
Hank Blalock  .279/.340/.483/.823
Adrian Beltre  .277/.328/.490/.818
Corey Koskie .266/.360/.451/.811
Mike Lowell  .270/.339/.467/.806
Vinny Castilla .267/.321/.470/.791
Joe Randa .284/.342/.438/.780
Pedro Feliz .259/.296/.463/.759
Edwin Encarnacion  .232/.308/.436/.744
Tony Graffanino  .281/.346/.398/.744
Ty Wigginton .258/.321/.420/.741
Garrett Atkins  .276/.336/.404/.740
Joe Crede .251/.303/.434/.737
Aaron Boone  .256/.314/.418/.732
Brandon Inge .255/.317/.410/.727
Edgardo Alfonzo  .275/.338/.385/.723
David Bell  .253/.327/.381/.708
Tony Batista .238/.271/.424/.695

 

I will find the AL numbers and put them up next. My next question, if ARamirez isnt one of the elite 3b in baseball, why are we trying to carry 2 corner OFs with low slugging %s. Again another cause of concern.

 

Turns out ARam comes in 8th amongst 3b in OPS the last 3 years, which is the back-end of the top 25 percentile, not as high as i thought either. Something else i discovered, the AL Central 3b really really stink.

 

Now can you post all their salaries? I'll take the 6th best NL 3B and the 8th best MLB 3B for 11 million a year.